Common sense: resentment at VMK

[ScroogesNephew]

. . . sounds pretty much like normal, healthy, cyber-silly to me. How (and why does) can anyone take ANYTHING seriously on here?

 

[WDWTigger72]

Originally Posted By Bezoar
Oh, and the "Can't We All Just Get Along!" comes from Rodney King, the African American individual who was videotaped being viciously beaten by law enforcement authorities. An example of misuse of power

Just to comment about quote above...Hopefully you did not take offense to that quote. This incident happened during the year 1991, but during the year 1992 an African American comedian Martin Lawrence brought a comedic spin on this quote during his show "Martin". My intention was never to make this an ethnic issue, but since you brought it up, I wanted to make sure people also know about Martin Lawrence. Yes, I actually searched the internet to make sure my information was correct regarding the years.

 

[JeanJoe]

Just to comment about quote above...

No, no offense meant OR taken!

Let's all be OK again, shall we? Looks like things are getting better, none of us would take any of this "seriously" if we didn't care so much to make VMK a better place.

 

[RadioNate]

I was also in this room. And I do agree with Dewberry that everyone was very nice. It was CL_Luminix (not 100% sure on the spelling) Celebration room. For me I got to the room because it was on the 'popular' list. I recogized the username from the newsletter and just went in. I had no idea Yvan was there until I was already in the room.

There were several people that I was ready to boot (lots of whining and begging to be testers and for fixed cursed storm) but no one was booted or anything.

Like Dewberry I didn't ask for my cursed storm to be fixed. Questions were taken from everyone (and it was clear some didn't know who Yvan or either of the testers were).

I took a screen shot of the event.

Hi Dewberry!

I wonder though -- how were the rooms with the developers "found" by the players, at the beginning?

1) Was it through a general announcement, a system-wide message? That would be the most fair way, the way that would allow everyone playing VMK an equal chance to voice their opinions, and ask their questions.

2) Or was it that the developers entered a room, and then certain people who had them on their friend's list noticed that the developers were logged in and went to them?

Edited to add: realized that I forgot to mention how glad I am that the developers are trying to do what they can, and opening it up to everyone possible! The solution strikes me as "inelegant", rather than a global fix, and wasteful of the developer's time, but if they are willing to, it's great to see their dedication.

But, again, I'm happy that those who meet with the developers can get the pin they've wanted!



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I kind of like that there is no trade board here. I think there's in general less of a sense of "must have all the cool / rare" items. On the other hand, I could definitely see the use of it, for example when you need a particular discontinued item to complete a neat room set-up. So, if there were a trade board, I'd hope it would be in a sub-forum.

Regards, and thanks for saying Hi to me yesterday Dewberry!

 

[*NikkiBell*]

I am probably going to get looked down upon for this, but here it goes....

Perhaps I am not understanding it all correctly, but what I have gained from this thread's conversations is that Yavn is giving pins to people because there are glitches in the game that he is sorry for. While I do not know where he is giving them out, or care for that matter, it seems to me that some people do not appreciate his doing so. Then, a post was made and soon moved from a VMK fan site. Is this the case?

If it is, I really do not understand what the turmoil is about. Sure, there are going to be bugs in the game because it is still fairly new and well, that is technology folks. Yavn's trying to clear the air with those that are experiencing significant problems does not seem like a bad thing to me. I equate it with money being taken off of a restaurant bill after mentioning to the server a problem with the food or a hotel providing a free upgrade after hearing of something going haywire. I truly do not feel this is a problem.

I think that something we all need to keep in mind is that this is a GAME. We cannot allow it to effects us so emotionally that is pours out into our real lives and alters our day. VMK is NOT the real world and should not be taken that way. It is just a piece of software provided for FREE by Disney to use. I personally think that it is great of the company to have such an exciting entertainment outlet. Complaining or even stating that stock holders and the like are going to eventually cause Disney to take away VMK is a little overboard in my mind.

Personally, I think everyone should be thankful we actually have this kingdom away from home and can use it for free. It is fun and entertaining. Making demands or unnecessary criticism is just silly to me.

 

[FlyThenFall]

NikkiBell, what I see happening is that you either have to be annoying about the pin or you getting buddy-buddy with the developers. Either way you'll get the pin...if you don't want to stoop to those levels...you're not getting the pin. It bothers me to think that I have to do something like that to get something in the game because of a bug.

JeanJoe (AKA Bezoar...as I've known him), GBShorts, and I have been talking about this problem for a while on the VMK Fan Sites. Each time it got brought up though, posts would be deleted and/or people would dodge our queries. That's where the fustration is at. We don't like being ignored or people not admitting that there's a problem.

 

[*NikkiBell*]

Have you ever used a code you found on the Internet instead of buying the product to get it as you are supposed to? It is the same scenario as asking for a pin or becoming close with a developer.

To me...it's a game...it's not real life and I could care less if I have a little JPEG graphic that produces a few seconds of animation.

 

[JeanJoe]

I think that something we all need to keep in mind is that this is a GAME. We cannot allow it to effects us so emotionally that is pours out into our real lives and alters our day. VMK is NOT the real world and should not be taken that way.

What I dislike most about what I've called "the perception of unfairness" is actually NOT how it affects me. I understand that VMK items are nothing more than a few 0's and 1's on a hard drive someplace that do not have any intrinsic worth or meaning to me.

What bothers me, as someone who cares deeply about kids, is that a tween, a 12-year-old, may play VMK long enough to realize and believe that even with Disney, even with a "game," that there is no level playing field, that the way to get ahead is not to play by "the rules", but rather to know the right people or to complain the loudest.

Now, if I were truly cynical, I would say: "Great! Let them experience the real world sooner! It will prepare them for the truth that Life's Not Fair."

But I'm not that cynical yet. And so, if it is under Disney's control, I would like the "game" to be fair for everyone.

Edited to remove unnecessary personal information

 

[*NikkiBell*]

My suggestion to you then is to discuss this with VMK. Your tag line says you are a community leader and, if you are, discuss it with the VMK Staff. It is silly to raise havoch over something that you should be mentioning to the people who have control over it.

 

[JeanJoe]

My suggestion to you then is to discuss this with VMK. Your tag line says you are a community leader and, if you are, discuss it with the VMK Staff. It is silly to raise havoch over something that you should be mentioning to the people who have control over it.

You mean the the Contact Us on the VMK front page? Tried that. No effect.

And if you check my original post, the post was about my concern that people were fed up with trying to go through VMK, as you suggest, and were taking a direct approach with Disney.

By the way "Community Leader" does not give any extra lines of communication with VMK staff. I have never received communication from VMK staff: not notification of becoming one, not what I should be doing, and not how to contact them.

Thank you for your thoughts, though. They are excellent ideas, if they had only worked.

 

[GBShorts]

I was also in this room. And I do agree with Dewberry that everyone was very nice. It was CL_Luminix (not 100% sure on the spelling) Celebration room. For me I got to the room because it was on the 'popular' list. I recogized the username from the newsletter and just went in. I had no idea Yvan was there until I was already in the room.

There were several people that I was ready to boot (lots of whining and begging to be testers and for fixed cursed storm) but no one was booted or anything.

Like Dewberry I didn't ask for my cursed storm to be fixed. Questions were taken from everyone (and it was clear some didn't know who Yvan or either of the testers were).

I took a screen shot of the event.

*picture removed because I can't post pics/links yet*

Hold on just a doggone minute.. EIGHTEEN in that room?? this is proving something to me. I saw another room ... of someone who claimed to quit two days ago... who had SEVENTEEN in her room.

My room is still only allowed 15. Did I miss something here?

 

[*NikkiBell*]

You mean the the Contact Us on the VMK front page? Tried that. No effect.

And if you check my original post, the post was about my concern that people were fed up with trying to go through VMK, as you suggest, and were taking a direct approach with Disney.

By the way "Community Leader" does not give any extra lines of communication with VMK staff. I have never received communication from VMK staff: not notification of becoming one, not what I should be doing, and not how to contact them.

Thank you for your thoughts, though. They are excellent ideas, if they had only worked.

If they only worked? Sorry, but if you expressed your ideas with the VMK Staff, then they were taken into consideration. Just because immediate change has not taken place does not mean they were blown off. As a professional, you understand that. You are not affecting the game in anyway by posting like this other than to stir up suppressed feelings.

If you are a community leader, you would have CL_ in your name and receive some form of directives. That does not appear to be the case. But, this is not the point of this thread.

From hereon, I am going to refrain myself from becoming involved with this thread altogether. I feel that there are far too many more important things in life to worry and complain about such as poverty, terrorism, and neglected children. I rather spend my energies on them as well as preparing myself for another excellent school year with my fifth graders. I have spent too much time already away from learning more to help them succeed. Afterall, they are what matters, not getting a fake pin on a virtual game.

Good luck to you.

 

[JeanJoe]

If they only worked? Sorry, but if you expressed your ideas with the VMK Staff, then they were taken into consideration. Just because immediate change has not taken place does not mean they were blown off. As a professional, you understand that. You are not affecting the game in anyway by posting like this other than to stir up suppressed feelings.

I'm not sure why you feel as heated about refuting me as you do, but I will contend that it should not be necessary to have suppressed feelings to stir up. Having a fair game and not having favoritism are goals that are not difficult to implement. We might need to just agree to disagree.

If you are a community leader, you would have CL_ in your name and receive some form of directives. That does not appear to be the case. But, this is not the point of this thread.

I think I'll need to let this one go.

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From hereon, I am going to refrain myself from becoming involved with this thread altogether. I feel that there are far too many more important things in life to worry and complain about such as poverty, terrorism, and neglected children. I rather spend my energies on them as well as preparing myself for another excellent school year with my fifth graders. I have spent too much time already away from learning more to help them succeed. Afterall, they are what matters, not getting a fake pin on a virtual game. Good luck to you.

Excellent, we are agreed then! We can let the thread die I said what I wanted to say, and some people agree, some disagree -- that is well and good. There are many more serious, important, tragic, and joyous things in the world, but you and I, each in our own ways, want to improve things for kids to help them succeed. Good luck to you as well.

 

[ScroogesNephew]

I say get the stuff any way you can and let the kids learn from it. After all, it's no different than the garbage they are exposed to every day on television. Have you watched TV commercials lately? Lie, deceive, cheat, steal, etc. are the normal presentation, and it's supposed to be funny or cute or both. Hey, it's the American way.

 

[WDWTigger72]

Posted By: ScroogesNephew I say get the stuff any way you can and let the kids learn from it. After all, it's no different than the garbage they are exposed to every day on television. Have you watched TV commercials lately? Lie, deceive, cheat, steal, etc. are the normal presentation, and it's supposed to be funny or cute or both. Hey, it's the American way.

That response was sort of funny, but at the same time not funny. I think its really important for individuals to learn from their many life experiences to build lets say "Your Human Character" (Sort of like a vmk character). You have pointed out many social type problems effecting our society (You can add tabloids to your list!). There maybe some people that have accepted this behavior as a way of life, but me personally I refuse to bring myself to those levels. I hold integrity, honor, truth very close to my heart and for some reason if these values mean I am not successful throughout life...I would prefer to be unsuccessful instead of integrating these values you mentioned above. On the other hand, There will be individual lifestyles that revolve around the values you mentioned above (lie, deceive, cheat...). For me, I would prefer to be exposed to this and build up my street sense (I will dub it this here) than walk around with blinders as if this does not happen. This does not mean that I have to allow it to happen and not take any action about it when it does. You can definitely be assurred that if I see this behavior on Virtual Magic Kingdom I will report it immediately.

 

[ScroogesNephew]

Very true, and wasn't meant to be funny. Unfortunately, it all WILL become a way of life if responsible people don't do something about it.

 

[Maleficent2]

If they only worked? Sorry, but if you expressed your ideas with the VMK Staff, then they were taken into consideration. Just because immediate change has not taken place does not mean they were blown off. As a professional, you understand that. You are not affecting the game in anyway by posting like this other than to stir up suppressed feelings

Actually the ony way to affect change is to stir up feelings in people whether it be an online game or AIDS and World Hunger. That said equating a game to terrorism, poverty and negelected children has no place they are not on the same plane and never would be.

The point of this thread is not the accuquistion of a simple pin it is much more than a pin, it is to try and talk about VMK and effect change to make the game better and a fair place for children and adults as well to have fun, forget about reality for a little while and just be a kid or a kid at heart.

Mal

 

[pixiepal53]

Have you ever used a code you found on the Internet instead of buying the product to get it as you are supposed to? It is the same scenario as asking for a pin or becoming close with a developer.

I actually BOUGHT the cereal. Several boxes. When do I get my pin? If they want to fix the situation (and I assume they do, as they are handing out pins to whomever asks for one), why don't they make sure that EVERYBODY gets one? The way it is being done is NOT FAIR. And I realize it is a game, and as an adult I can "get over it"...but can we expect a 10 year old to "get over it"?

 

[ScroogesNephew]

Actually the ony way to affect change is to stir up feelings in people whether it be an online game or AIDS and World Hunger. That said equating a game to terrorism, poverty and negelected children has no place they are not on the same plane and never would be.

The point of this thread is not the accuquistion of a simple pin it is much more than a pin, it is to try and talk about VMK and effect change to make the game better and a fair place for children and adults as well to have fun, forget about reality for a little while and just be a kid or a kid at heart.

Mal

. . . to some people they ARE on the same plane. Not everyone thinks allike.