Come in to work early (accidentally) - leave early? Thoughts

[Gracie09]

If you look a bit more carefully you will notice that most of those classified jobs list a monthly salary, not an hourly wage. You can be union and salaried.

just because they list a "monthly salary" doesn't mean they are salaried employees. When we post positions we list the weekly "salary" range for all positions. For non-exempt or classified employees its the hourly rate multiplied by the number of hours a week (usually 35 for f/t). For the salary exempt or non-classified employees is the annual salary divided by 52.

 

[tvguy]

just because they list a "monthly salary" doesn't mean they are salaried employees. When we post positions we list the weekly "salary" range for all positions. For non-exempt or classified employees its the hourly rate multiplied by the number of hours a week (usually 35 for f/t). For the salary exempt or non-classified employees is the annual salary divided by 52.

Certainly possible, but some jobs list an hourly rate, not a monthly rate. Hourly jobs are rare at colleges here. And some jobs are for the academic year, some are "12 month" jobs according to the website.

 

[PlainJane]

I can see the argument that as an hourly employee you're getting the same pay, and the delay is for safety, so you should be happy to work if you're early. The problem with that is if you work overtime that week, you will not get overtime pay because you got paid for time that theoretically was not worked, so there is a consequence.

As an hourly employee, I would hang out in my car or do something like get a coffee. As a salary employee, you're pretty much expected to work however long it takes, within reason, to get the job done, so I'd be fine with going in before the delayed start time.

 

[Vijoge]

At my place of employment hourly employees were forbidden to punch in more than five minutes before their scheduled start time and we expected to punch out no more than seven minutes after their scheduled quitting time. This was pretty much written in stone. If someone was late for some reason they were not allowed to make up the time by working past the end of their shift, either.

 

[LilyWDW]

We would have gotten in trouble if we had clocked in before our start time. Once the delay was put into effect, THAT was the new start time. The old time doesn't count.

 

[Allison]

Certainly possible, but some jobs list an hourly rate, not a monthly rate. Hourly jobs are rare at colleges here. And some jobs are for the academic year, some are "12 month" jobs according to the website.

I doubt they are as rare as you think or they are paid a flat rate with an hourly overtime rate paid as worked. There are very specific criteria you must meet to not be eligible for overtime.

 

[tvguy]

I doubt they are as rare as you think or they are paid a flat rate with an hourly overtime rate paid as worked. There are very specific criteria you must meet to not be eligible for overtime.

Trust me, I am VERY familiar with exempt status. I have worked essentially in the same job for 3 companies, first and current as hourly, the middle 16 years as salaried. Those exempt years there was no double time for holiday work, no compensation for double shifts of 6th days, and a number of people contested the classification for that job and the state found it was proper.

 

[Allison]

Trust me, I am VERY familiar with exempt status. I have worked essentially in the same job for 3 companies, first and current as hourly, the middle 16 years as salaried. Those exempt years there was no double time for holiday work, no compensation for double shifts of 6th days, and a number of people contested the classification for that job and the state found it was proper.

A custodian, groundskeeper, dining worker, file clerk, data entry person, and many other categories are not going to qualify as exempt under federal regulations. It doesn't matter who they work for. They simply don't meet the criteria. This appears to be different from the job you did.

However, the point is moot to this situation. The OP stated in the first post that these are hourly workers.

 

[Gracie09]

Certainly possible, but some jobs list an hourly rate, not a monthly rate. Hourly jobs are rare at colleges here. And some jobs are for the academic year, some are "12 month" jobs according to the website.

no they are not. Just because its a college doesn't mean that the jobs are exempt. The admin assistants, the it/helpdesk workers, security, data entry, front line for admissions and registrar department, paralegals etc etc. All non-exempt, hourly employees at the multiple institutions of higher education in multiple states that I have worked for. To run a college you need more than students and professors.

 

[tvguy]

A custodian, groundskeeper, dining worker, file clerk, data entry person, and many other categories are not going to qualify as exempt under federal regulations. It doesn't matter who they work for. They simply don't meet the criteria. This appears to be different from the job you did.

However, the point is moot to this situation. The OP stated in the first post that these are hourly workers.

Missed that in the original post. Just heard back from a friend who has worked for private and public colleges for the past 40 years, and she says there is no rhyme or reason to hourly or salaried, it's about 50-50, based more on history of the position, not what the position is.
The Federal regulations are a joke. The only real specific black and white test is if you are making more than $23,600. Everything else is gray area. In my case, I was the ONLY one in the building for 6 hours of my shift, yet they argued that I supervised the work of 2 or more people. Well, maybe for 2 hours I did. And they said I had a role in hiring and firing since they had introduced me to job applicants and asked what I thought.

 

[Allison]

While I believe the friend might not know the reason behind how people are paid, I don't believe there isn't a reason for it. Of course, even if it were true, a school having bad procedures in place doesn't make a pattern in regards to how colleges are run.

Your job history doesn't appear to be at all similar to the positions I was discussing.

Time for dinner. Night all.

 

[MaryLovesPoohBear]

At my place of employment hourly employees were forbidden to punch in more than five minutes before their scheduled start time and we expected to punch out no more than seven minutes after their scheduled quitting time. This was pretty much written in stone. If someone was late for some reason they were not allowed to make up the time by working past the end of their shift, either.

I held many hourly jobs.

And I have never had to punch a time clock.

I've always just kept a time sheet, that I fill out and turn in.

 

[Vijoge]

I held many hourly jobs.

And I have never had to punch a time clock.

I've always just kept a time sheet, that I fill out and turn in.

Yes, some places do that. Mine didn't.