...Colorblind and all that is wrong with it.

[snoopboop]

I know that saying you “don’t see color” or kids don't see color seems ok BUT it is not. I don’t think Pete knows or realizes how offensive it is to a person of color to hear those words. By saying you don’t see color you are washing away peoples struggle, history. People of color want you to see race, we just don’t want you to use it against us. There is a big difference. Do you notice the difference between a rose and violet? Would you be flower blind? Its sickening to hear Theresa say her children are colorblind, after her defense of the Confederate flag.

As for the idea that apportion is ludicrous? Marc Jacobs could have used models, black models with colored dread-locks. Did he? no. Why not? Why is the hairstyle of the people ok to use but not the people themselves?

When you're so privileged you don't see the issue with saying you don't see color. I don't think that Disney meant anything by having this costume. I also think people need to understand its not about them.

The word you're looking for is appropriation. Not "apportion."

I sincerely believe that what Theresa meant is that her children don't perceive other children differently due to the color of their skin. Many, many people use the phrase "color blind," especially when talking about children, to express the idea that while children certainly take note of the appearances (including skin color, hair color, etc...) of those around them, they are not born with the inclination to deem others as more or less "worthy" (of their consideration, attention, time, respect, etc...) than others due to those appearances. That is something that is TAUGHT.

You are injecting a meaning into the phrase that is absolutely not intended or implied. Consider trying to take it as it's meant instead of as you choose to hear it?

 

[Jafar30]

Is this for real?

Big ole news flash!!! Pretty much every race and color have worn dreadlocks since the beginning of the human race. The fact you think of it only as a style worn by black people is ignorant.

I will say this dreadlocks look much cooler on a black person than a white person.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Cringe. No one outside the internet talks like this - and as someone who is half black being colorblind is absolutely the right way to go.

Well as someone who is black and has a biracial child, I'm stating to you it is not.

"Its time we become comfortable with the uncomfortable conversations about race..instead of being color blind, we need to be color brave" Mellody Hobson Lucas

 

[CampbellzSoup]

Well as someone who is black and has a biracial child, I'm stating to you it is not.

But it is. Your arguments you presented are nothing but a strawman Going forward our generation doesn't see anyone as a color we see them as a person.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

The word you're looking for is appropriation. Not "apportion."

I sincerely believe that what Theresa meant is that her children don't perceive other children differently due to the color of their skin. Many, many people use the phrase "color blind," especially when talking about children, to express the idea that while children certainly take note of the appearances (including skin color, hair color, etc...) of those around them, they are not born with the inclination to deem others as more or less "worthy" (of their consideration, attention, time, respect, etc...) than others due to those appearances. That is something that is TAUGHT.

You are injecting a meaning into the phrase that is absolutely not intended or implied. Consider trying to take it as it's meant instead of as you choose to hear it?

Im sure Theresa meant no harm but the translation for many people when they say I'm color blind of I don't see race is that of one who is erasing or diminish that cultures history and the effects it still carries to this day.

 

[snoopboop]

Im sure Theresa meant no harm but the translation for many people when they say I'm color blind of I don't see race is that of one who is erasing or diminish that cultures history and the effects it still carries to this day.

Then I suppose it's their choice to take the phrase in a way in which it's not meant, and to harbor the negative feelings that are caused as a result, when the intent was the exact opposite.

 

[WebmasterMaryJo]

Well as someone who is black and has a biracial child, I'm stating to you it is not.

"Its time we become comfortable with the uncomfortable conversations about race..instead of being color blind, we need to be color brave" Mellody Hobson Lucas

That is assuming that conversations about race are uncomfortable. Where I come from, they're not. I don't really like the term color blind because we're not blind to color, however, color non-issue doesn't quite sound the same, and color-blind is a recognized term, so there we go.

But it is. Your arguments you presented are nothing but a strawman Going forward our generation doesn't see anyone as a color we see them as a person.

My kids belong to this generation. Love it.

 

[UKYRob29]

Well as someone who is black and has a biracial child, I'm stating to you it is not.

"Its time we become comfortable with the uncomfortable conversations about race..instead of being color blind, we need to be color brave" Mellody Hobson Lucas

Wanna talk about race? Cool -- how about the 500+ black on black murders in my city? Chicago, and the 3,000+ black on black shootings.
I think we should focus on that more than a Michael Kors fashion show. Or does that not fit your narrative of whiteee privilegeeeeee.

 

[DisneyKevin]

Okay..this has been a good exchange of ideas.

We can not allow this to get heated or ugly.

It stops the conversation and it will get this thread shut down quickly.

Please, be respectful and kind.

We can talk and agree or disagree and still be nice to each other.

 

[Jafar30]

I don't judge based on color, sexual orientation or gender. Each encounter I have with a person I judge on this

 

[NeuroCindy]

Wanna talk about race? Cool -- how about the 500+ black on black murders in my city? Chicago, and the 3,000+ black on black shootings.
I think we should focus on that more than a Michael Kors fashion show. Or does that not fit your narrative of whiteee privilegeeeeee.

The BLM movement does speak out on "black on black" crime.

I'm also from Chicago. The reason the southside has turned into what it is, is largely due to systemic racism. Denying systemic racism doesn't make it go away. Though I have a feeling my words will be wasted here, because anyone willfully denying the existence of white privilege probably doesn't want to have a real conversation about systemic racism and privilege that comes with being part of certain demographics.

 

[BigAlsGal]

I will say this dreadlocks look much cooler on a black person than a white person.

It only looks cool when worn by a cool person. Black or white. Lol

 

[UKYRob29]

The BLM movement does speak out on "black on black" crime.

I'm also from Chicago. The reason the southside has turned into what it is, is largely due to systemic racism. Denying systemic racism doesn't make it go away. Though I have a feeling my words will be wasted here, because anyone willfully denying the existence of white privilege probably doesn't want to have a real conversation about systemic racism and privilege that comes with being part of certain demographics.

So you are saying that multiple children shot under the age of 13 and 3000+ shootings and 562 murders in 9 months is "white peoples fault". Right.

Check out http://www.heyjackass.com/ and you will see all the lovely shooting numbers I as a white person am responsible for. River North seems to be doing fine, shocking.

 

[BigAlsGal]

I hearby decree this is the only person allowed to wear dreadlocks. End of story.

 

[NeuroCindy]

So you are saying that multiple children shot under the age of 13 and 3000+ shootings and 562 murders in 9 months is "white peoples fault". Right.

Check out http://www.heyjackass.com/ and you will see all the lovely shooting numbers I as a white person am responsible for. River North seems to be doing fine, shocking.

I didn't say it was any one white person's fault. Systemic racism is real. It's been proven over, and over, and over again. If you choose not to believe in it, that's your choice, but it doesn't make it not exist. Your posts are reading as very angry and combative, and Kevin has already warned people to watch their tone, so I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and get myself into trouble. Have a nice afternoon.

 

[OKW Lover]

It's insulting to say you are colorblind especially when you are the majority

I know this was not directed at me specifically. However, I'll disagree with this point anyway. There are many that are in the majority who treat others equally regardless of color. I don't see how that is insulting.

 

[CampbellzSoup]

I didn't say it was any one white person's fault. Systemic racism is real. It's been proven over, and over, and over again. If you choose not to believe in it, that's your choice, but it doesn't make it not exist. Your posts are reading as very angry and combative, and Kevin has already warned people to watch their tone, so I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and get myself into trouble. Have a nice afternoon.

Cindy, I love you very much, but the murder problems in Chicago fall way deeper than the buzz word of "systemic racism". Gang violence is a HUGE problem over there.

 

[NeuroCindy]

Cindy, I love you very much, but the murder problems in Chicago fall way deeper than the buzz word of "systemic racism". Gang violence is a HUGE problem over there.

Gang violence is a huge problem on the south side, but that ties into what the southside has become; there's no jobs, no money, no community pride or involvement. So now it's a vicious cycle where businesses don't want to come in, so there's still no jobs, and people get recruited into gangs, and the problem doesn't stop.

 

[DisneyKevin]

Hey Queen2PrincessG...

I am hoping you don't feel like we are ganging up on you.

This is a good discussion to have and we can all learn from it.

I learned today (from two eloquent sources) that the word "colorblind", while innocuous to some, holds a different meaning to others.

On the show, I used the phrase "words matter" and so does intent.

If using the word "colorblind" causes someone else pain, I will stop using that phrase...but I can also say that there was no intent to hurt anyone.

It was exactly the opposite.

 

[wilkeliza]

Like Kevin I would like to learn. Instead of throw the conversation off.

What is a better way to describe what we want to with out using "colorblind" as a word. Like how children or aware of differences but unless taught to treat different as bad they don't automatically do that. What is the right word to use when describing that and working towards a similar situation in an adult life. So saying that I see and respect your differences through race, creed, religion, orientation, and/or skin color but don't use it just those things to judge you. That's what many mean when they say colorblind or at least that's what I think they mean. I also know it from the theater aspect that means when casting you don't take skin color into consideration when filling roles.