CM missing from Wonder 03/22/11??

[jennypenny]

Thank you for the above information. Honestly, there are a lot of people on this thread that need to just back off and keep quiet. I had no doubts that the ship was being searched, any security videos looked at, etc. It is NO ONES business except the DCL, the crew and the woman's family. Not anyone here, not the press, no one's. The person posting as to it being a crime scene and how BMA is lacking, please, you added nothing to this thread.

This sentiment has been stated several times, and I must chime in now and disagree. We are travelling on the Wonder in less than 3 months. I feel I have every right to know if a crime has been committed on board. We know nothing, but statistically a woman that age is more likely to be the victim of a crime by a male she knows more than any other explanation. I'm not saying that is what happened. But I'm travelling with my daughter who is about that age and will be roaming the ship with friends without my DH or me. I think we have every right to know about a crime committed against a young woman if that turns out to be the case.

If a young woman disappeared from a hotel we were about to stay at we would want to know what happened then also. If something had happened at the Residence Inn in Cocoa Beach and no one would say what happened, I'm sure some of you would be upset and wondering if you should move your pre-cruise reservations. Just because it's Disney/DCL doesn't let them off the hook. If anything it puts them more on the hook because they sell themselves as the best place for families and charge a premium price for this image.

This is not directed at any one poster. I just wanted to state the other side of the argument.

 

[alldiz]

i hope the family gets some closure and peace......if thats even possible

 

[mulderxcoltrane]

We know nothing, but statistically a woman that age is more likely to be the victim of a crime by a male she knows more than any other explanation.

Where are those statistics?

Are they based on cases on only cruise lines?

What about crimes by female?

Where do "other" options come into play?

There have been so many statements/stories that I'm losing track.
Have the authorities labeled it a crime? Something tells me (and I'm purely guessing) that if a crime were really committed, they wouldn't let a single person off that ship until they had figured something out. I'm not saying you're wrong...I just haven't seen any such statistics so, if they're available, it might help me understand this better as well - but ultimately, it doesn't matter one bit if I understand the situation.

I think the best thing all of us can do is wish the crew and the crew member's family the best and wait until we get more info that's official. This all makes me think of the monorail tragedy at WDW a few years ago. Everyone's imagination was running wild....but the important info eventually came out.

TIA,
MXC

 

[Silly Little Pixie]

If you stay at a hotel in any major city around the world, one with a turnover of several thousand guests per week, there is no way you're going to know about every incident that happened there. Ever. Life is uncertain.

I guess I find the post about somehow having a right to know bothersome. I assure you- the search was thorough- they were searching for one of their own! There was no sign of foul play. That's the very first thing I'm sure they wanted to rule out. Safety for everyone, first always.

Perhaps I am particularly sensitive to this since we had a family member die of suicide in recent months. All the rumors and speculation (of things that are a family's business) can be very difficult for the family. Friends do a google search and threads such as this pop up. While it feels like a closed community here on the Dis, lots of people will be able to see this thread. I hope that makes sense.

 

[DizDragonfly]

CandyMandy, from the tone of your posts, it seems that you want to work this community up into a lather. It's been four days. If an investigation is still ongoing, it's inappropriate for any official source to give out any details.

If Rebecca's family and friends are not satisfied by the answers they are given, or the lack thereof, they can press for more answers (and chances are they will press for answers using the media, I would). Meanwhile, if _you_ are dissatisfied by the lack of answers you are given, feel free not to sail on DCL or any other ships sailing under the flag of the Bahamas. Please understand that if Rebecca's family's wishes are that the details of her disappearance not be released to the media, there is a good chance that they won't be and you will be left wondering.

My prayers are with Rebecca, her family, friends and coworkers. I hope they are able to find the answers they seek.

 

[pearljammer]

I'm still shocked at how far people are going with this. Perhaps the next time I consider buying a car and hear of an accident (death involved) occurring with that particular make and model car for which I'm considering, I should then contact the maker and demand to know JUST WHAT HAPPENED! Inquiring minds demand to know for I'm concerned for my and my family's safety. How about, consider another car? Don't buy one? Don't make things bigger than they already are? Many of you still fail to get it.

Also, no way shape or form would I go to the trouble of telling my child about the death of one of their favored CM's from a memorable trip. I can't say I get that at all. Just leave it alone. If they are dwelling on it then perhaps it's because you are? Hmmm.....

I'm just saying........

 

[DVCconvert]

I know of someone who lived in Florida, and last year they DIED!!

What's worse, the death was "unattended" and the cause of death?....

....." indeterminate"


I guess now that I'm blowing the top off this VAST COVER UP...tourism will dry up in the (formerly known as) Sunshine State!!!

It didn't even make the local paper!!!

 

[A Litle Pixie Dust]

I was onboard the Wonder and just debarked this morning. There was no delay in debarkation and I did not see any media. I have only seen a little of this thread, and all I can say is, wow. If you were onboard, you would have seen a crew carrying on despite great sadness. Guests were really very classy and sensitive. I didn't even hear of any rumors till Friday afternoon

The captain kept the guests informed Tuesday. After that, as guests spoke to CMs individually there really was nothing new to say. Our concierge told us that the most thorough search had taken place, starting at one end to another, then top to bottom. They took it very, very seriously. You forget they live and work together for long periods of time. I never once felt DCL was hiding or diminishing any news. It's just that once they ascertained she wasn't onboard there was no news to share. He also told us counselors were onboard for crew to talk with. He said Clayton (CD) took it very hard. I saw this for myself, when at the Captain's Corner Q&A session a guest asked about the search progress. Captain Guus answered and I felt he was as forthcoming as he needed to be with a roomful of people whose business it's really not! He was genuinely very sad. But Clayton, he just put his head on his hands and looked crushed. If you know him, he's never without a smile. It broke my heart and really we could see the crew's emotions without him saying a word. His ability to deal with this privately while maintaining a great atmosphere for a packed cruise of a couple thousand guests speaks volumes to his character.

I know my family is continuing to pray for Rebecca's family, as well as her DCL family.

It was nice meeting you onboard. Unfortunately, the media was there this morning. We could see the news vans from the lounge and as we exited the terminal. I had lunch with one of the CM yesterday and she stated that someone felt the need to contact CNN while we were at sea.

I agree with you - they took everything very seriously - they provided what news they could and felt they needed to and then carried on. Tuesday was a very difficult day - it was very sad to be on the ship when you could tell the crew were very sad and rightfully so.

This is a very private and sad situation. I am praying for her family as they deal with what has happened. I am also praying for her Disney family as I can not imagine what they are going through as well.

 

[Jillpie]

Why on earth would any parent tell their child about this, I cannot believe that would happen. What possible good would come of that? Only tarnish wonderful childhood memories of a possible favorite CM and put fear into their small minds, totally unnecessary.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

In response, some facts, all confirmed in the below link:

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2011/03/articles/disappearances-1/who-investigates-disappearances-on-cruise-ships/

To summarize:

USCG: the only involvement of the U.S. Coast Guard was in some initial air support for the sea seach. They are no long involved in any way with the investigation.

The category of "vessel inspection agencies" is rather vague - and no news reports indicate any such entities have been involved in any part of the investgiation.

Underwriters: no insurance company is yet involved and none will be unless a claim is filed against Disney by the family of the CM.

U.K.: British authorities have absolutely jurisdiction in his case and are not involved in any part of this investigation.

DOT: The DOT is not involved since the ship is not of U.S. registry and the disapperance did not occur in U.S. waters,

The Feds: the Federal government is not involved in any way. In fact, for those who missed the news, several days ago spokeswoman Laura Eimiller of the Los Angeles office of the FBI made the following statement: " The FBI is not involved because it does not have jurisdiction, as the ship was off the coast of Mexico flying under a foreign flag."

In fact, staying on that tangent for a moment, no law enforcement authority whatsoever has any right to step on the Disney Magic in this sort of situation other than those from the Bahamas. No police or sheriff agencies in California (where the vessel is ported) can become involved. No police agency from Florida (where the cruise line is located) or the United Kingdom (where the DCL is incorporated as the "The Magical Cruise Company") have any jurisdiction in investigating a disappearance at sea involving a cruise ship sailing between California and Mexico.

Bottom line: legally, the BMA is solely in charge of determining what happened.

And given their record (I highly recommend those who are defending the BMA google "George Allen Smith" before continuing in that activity), Heaven help the Corian family.

Ms. Candy, you are totally wrong.I am a retire Ship Master and have been in the Martime industry for years...you have no idea what your talking about.!

criuselaw news is a group of atty. which in my opinion is just looking for business, They are not a news agency.please do some research before you us them as a reference.

That vessel is a US owned vessel, carrying many US passingers, oftwern in US waters.......every agency I noted is likely to be involved in the investigation......

USCG boarded the vessel on arrivial in AL

Since you dont know Vessel Inpection Agencies, they are IE class, Pandi clubs, IMO, solas etc will all be involved and reviewing reports.

Dept of Transportation, of which Marine/transportation safety board has authority. US citzens, the vessel sailed out of and into LA in a closed loop cruise.

The FBI would be involed if foul play was found, which does not seem the case.

So many invessel insurence firms, some listed above are involved in the investigation, I could not begin to list them all.

Many of the above listed groups are the FEDS.

So lastly BMA id not the only group involved, and any and all of these intities will issue there own reports.


Please research your information, a law firm(criuselawnews) a highly questionable authority.

Have a great day.

AKK

 

[jennypenny]

Where are those statistics?
Are they based on cases on only cruise lines? no
What about crimes by female? nope, male crimes against females are the most common explanation
Where do "other" options come into play? They are always a possibility, but violent crimes against young adult women are most often commited by males known to the victim. It's not the only explanation, but the most likely and always considered during an investigation.[/QUOTE]

I can absolutely get you those statistics when I get to work on Tuesday. It's common knowledge in law enforcement.

And I don't need to know exactly what happened. But I would like to see Disney say something like "We've determined that no foul play was involved." That's all.

And regarding a hotel stay, I don't need to know every time someone has something stolen from their room, but a missing person? You bet, I'd want to know. Especially on a cruise ship because it's a closed environment.

 

[mulderxcoltrane]

I can absolutely get you those statistics when I get to work on Tuesday. It's common knowledge in law enforcement.

And I don't need to know exactly what happened. But I would like to see Disney say something like "We've determined that no foul play was involved." That's all.

I'm not doubting it's common on land, but when comparing examples, both situations need to be similar. With cruise ships, there's a "closed" environment with some options (regarding possibilities of what could have happened) that are not an option on land.

I keep putting myself in the shoes of her family; and I'd want people to stay out of my business and let me process everything.

At the same time, just because nothing has been formally announced/released doesn't mean there's a conspiracy; even local police reports aren't made public the next day....at least not by me.

 

[disfaninca]

Boy this thread is going in a negative direction.
Let us not forget that this is about a human being that something has tragically happened to.
Her family has every right to know what is going on, but we, as a general public need to wait until more information is released.

Forget about who is right or wrong.
I certainly hope her family members or CMs are not reading this thread. Too much bickering going on.
Let's give the authorities time to investigate, and please stop jumping to conclusions!
I will continue to pray and hope for a possitive outcome.

Please, please, please be sensitive for those involved.

 

[CandyMandy]

We are travelling on the Wonder in less than 3 months. I feel I have every right to know if a crime has been committed on board. We know nothing, but statistically a woman that age is more likely to be the victim of a crime by a male she knows more than any other explanation. I'm not saying that is what happened. But I'm travelling with my daughter who is about that age and will be roaming the ship with friends without my DH or me. I think we have every right to know about a crime committed against a young woman if that turns out to be the case.

You do have every right to know if this disappearance was the result of a crime. But there are many here who with good intentions (prayers and sympathy to the Corians are all that matters) are telling you and I and anyone else who wants to see an objective answer to what happened that they are in essence butting into a private affair.

What they don't understand is that by telling people to turn their heads, they are enabling the agenda of large, powerful entities whose prime agenda is to limit the damage from these sorts of events to sales and profits.

 

[shwarren70]

boy this thread is going in a negative direction.
let us not forget that this is about a human being that something has tragically happened to.
Her family has every right to know what is going on, but we, as a general public need to wait until more information is released.

Forget about who is right or wrong.
I certainly hope her family members or cms are not reading this thread. Too much bickering going on.
Let's give the authorities time to investigate, and please stop jumping to conclusions!
I will continue to pray and hope for a possitive outcome.

please, please, please be sensitive for those involved.

amen!

 

[macfinn]

Has anyone heard the latest, the last i had heard was the Mexican Navy was assisting in the search??? Our prayers go out to the young womans family in the UK and to her family on the ship!!!

 

[Katems]

Did the Wonder take on its new passengers today and has it left port again?

 

[Mindyjoy]

I'm watching on the news and a live report from the port shows the Wonder is just now pulling away from the dock.

 

[disfaninca]

I'm watching on the news and a live report from the port shows the Wonder is just now pulling away from the dock.

I just watched the same thing. Nothing new reported. But, she is definitely pulling out now!

 

[mickeyfan1]

TO the poster who said we have every right to know about this and then asked if a crime happened at a hotel wouldn't I want to know? NO. If a crime happened in a hotel, I would expect that the proper authorities are involved and if they felt that guests were better served at a different property, fine. If they had already arrested the crime committer, why should I be concerned. Perhaps if a local gang has taken up residence in the property and was killing off guests as the entered the elevators and nothing was being done, I probably would want to know that.

Unless and until something is discovered, all the speculation here does no good. There is no indication that any crime has been committed and for anyone here to continue to push it is shameful.