Christmas, being politically correct and where are we going?

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Okay so using your logic, any class that has 70% (for the sake of #'s) of the students knowing something, or because something is well known outside of the education system, they can just skip those lessons?
Gotcha.
You aren't a teacher are you :eek:

That's pretty funny. They're teaching classes on holidays in public school now? Please, what are we talking about here? A brief lesson on other traditions so that elementary kids know what the symbols on their holiday worksheets mean and so they can do a fun craft.

I think the 70% is silly. I think the outrage is silly. I mean really who care is you have a holiday book exchange instead of a Xmas book exchange? (I realize that's not what the OP was talking about but clearly people would complain about that too).
 
Actually whats really appauling is this. I am told that I am NOT ALLOWED to bring a craft that represents anything to do with Christmas, and I'm NOT ALLOWED to bring in any coloring sheets other than snowmen and snowflakes all the while its perfectly acceptable for my children are bringing home worksheets where they colored the menorah, and crossword puzzles about the story of Hanukkah, and little handmade books about Kwanza.
So yes I do have a big problem with that. If a school is going to take daily lesson time to teach the class about the origin of the December religious holidays, NONE should be excluded, period. It really has nothing to do with fairness, its about education.

That is exactly what I am seeing too. Religious symbols and customs. Exclusive of Christmas.
 
Okay so using your logic, any class that has 70% (for the sake of #'s) of the students knowing something, or because something is well known outside of the education system, they can just skip those lessons?
Gotcha.
You aren't a teacher are you :eek:
You know, I never learned a single thing about the Korean War when I was in school. They taught us lots of stuff about other wars; revolutionary, 1812, Spanish/American, WW1, WW2. I guess that we should have told the schools that they are to teach all of our history, or none at all. Alternatively, we should have the schools teach as much as they can in the time alloted and to prioritize what they teach. Perhaps the school should spend their valuable time on those topics that few students are familiar, rather than topics that most students are already knowledgable of.
 
I respectfully disagree. Now the marketing for stores in the name of Christmas, that's another matter. There is a whole lot more to Christmas than any of that.

Do you disagree that in this country it is impossible to be unaware of Xmas?

That was my point. Not what the real, extended dance remix version of the holiday is.
 

Teach it all or teach none of it.

I have read this severals time on this thread. Does that mean that you would be upset and outraged if your children didn't learn about Jewish, Muslim and other cultural and religious holidays?
 
That's pretty funny. They're teaching classes on holidays in public school now? Please, what are we talking about here? A brief lesson on other traditions so that elementary kids know what the symbols on their holiday worksheets mean and so they can do a fun craft.I think the 70% is silly. I think the outrage is silly. I mean really who care is you have a holiday book exchange instead of a Xmas book exchange? (I realize that's not what the OP was talking about but clearly people would complain about that too).

Regardless of whether something is taught in a brief lesson or a whole class period, your logic from the previous post is flawed. I was merely pointing that out.
 
... The point is that if my kids have to learn the religious aspects of a religion at school it should not exclude any religion. ...
Really???

There are upwards of 4000 religions. When is the school going to find the time to teach about all of them?

Personally, I would rather that the schools concentrated on other things.

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Do you disagree that in this country it is impossible to be unaware of Xmas?

That was my point. Not what the real, extended dance remix version of the holiday is.

Unaware? How about uneducated. Christmas is marketed to the masses by department stores. That is not Christmas. As I stated, if it is important for my kids to know other cultures, why is it not important to teach Christmas to those that do not celebrate it? Strange indeed.
 
I have read this severals time on this thread. Does that mean that you would be upset and outraged if your children didn't learn about Jewish, Muslim and other cultural and religious holidays?

If they are only learning about Christmas then yes. What is so hard to understand that some people do truly believe in the concept of either teaching about ALL the religious Holidays or none at all :confused3
 
Sick of this PC crap.

MERRY CHRISTMAS to all my fellow Christians! And those of you that DON'T celebrate it, too. Nothing wrong with wishing you joy on a certain day of the year.

My son's class does celebrate Christmas and if they didn't - I would raise hell.
 
Really???

There are upwards of 4000 religions. When is the school going to find the time to teach about all of them?

Personally, I would rather that the schools concentrated on other things.

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Then how about teach NONE of them, Hannaukkah included?
 
Then how about teach NONE of them, Hannaukkah included?

What that wouldn't be ok either. Winter concerts and party cause just as much outrage.

I honestly don't think most be on this thread give a crap about fairness.
 
If they are only learning about Christmas then yes. What is so hard to understand that some people do truly believe in the concept of either teaching about ALL the religious Holidays or none at all :confused3
What is hard to grasp about that concept is the fact that it would require that the schools only taught nothing else but these religions all year long, without breaks. Schools have very little time with which to teach our children TONS of material. They must decide which material will be covered (and to what depth). These decisions are sure to leave some parents unhappy. My answer to those parents is to make sure that they are teaching whatever topics the schools miss.

This is especially true about Xmas. After all, why would I leave the teaching of such an important topic to some teacher who herself has no religious training and likely no religious education?
 
For those of you that think Christmas is a holiday solely intended to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, I challenge you to do a little research. I admit that when the Church came up with the idea for the Christmas celebration sometime in the 4th century, that is what it was intended to commemorate. The traditions and festivities, however, go back way farther than that.

I am not going to start a debate about religion, this isn't the place. But purely for educational purposes, I am going to quote a few historical facts.

"Christmas was superimposed over great year-end festivals which were very popular in the Graeco-Roman world.

Firstly, the customs of giving presents, eating too much and generally having fun comes from the Roman festival Saturnalia which used to be celebrated around December 17.

Saturn was the Roman God of agriculture and plenty, and gift giving symbolised the redistribution of wealth from the rich to the poor during the season of greatest hardship. Big feasts were generally laid on by the rich to feed their poorer neighbours.

The next big ancient festival was the solstice feast of Mithras, the Roman God of light on December 25. This was the one adopted by Christians sometime around the 4th century as the birthday of Jesus. Traditionally, this festival marked the renewal of hope.

Some celebrated the rebirth of the sun at midwinter, rather than the birth of the Son of God celebrated by Christians at this time. The renewed ascent of the sun in the sky beginning at the winter solstice was symbolically reenacted as a battle between the oak tree of the summer and the holly tree of the winter. The bright red berries of the holly bush represented fertility in the depths of the dormant winter, a promise of the return of light, warmth and light.

The Winter Solstice occurs on the 21st December in the Northern hemisphere, 21st June in the Southern Hemisphere. Known as the Festival of Yule, the winter solstice is the shortest day, and the longest night of the year. The Celtic fire festival of Yule was a time of renewal and rebirth, celebrated by lighting fires to welcome back the lengthening days. The remnants of this practice may be found in the charming tradition of the Yule log, still enjoyed by many people at Christmas even today."


Regardless of what you believe or how you celebrate, please acknowledge that your traditions may have deeper roots or different meanings than what they stand for now. Therefore, you cannot lay claim to Christmas as a holiday that ONLY celebrates the birth of Christ. If I, and my family, enjoy Christmas as a time to celebrate giving to others and the rebirth of the sun and the light, if we venerate a man who gives gifts and owns flying reindeer, please allow us to celebrate in OUR way and give our traditions the respect that we give yours.

All religions and traditions are just as valid. Just because I choose to tell you Happy Holidays does not mean I don't respect yours, just that I do not share them.
 
That is exactly what I am seeing too. Religious symbols and customs. Exclusive of Christmas.

I agree.
At our school holiday fair that the kids shop at they had items with the Star of David on it. There was not one item with a cross on it. Sorry- but that is wrong.
 
I grew up in the 70's and 80's before all this PC crap started and this type of discussion was never an issue. We had Christmas parties, Christmas plays, Christmas carols, Christmas trees and Christmas cookies...not "holiday" stuff and we never felt guilty or bowed to political issues. We were kids and didn't care about anything except presents and what we were getting that year.

Those were the days!
 
Actually whats really appauling is this. I am told that I am NOT ALLOWED to bring a craft that represents anything to do with Christmas, and I'm NOT ALLOWED to bring in any coloring sheets other than snowmen and snowflakes all the while its perfectly acceptable for my children are bringing home worksheets where they colored the menorah, and crossword puzzles about the story of Hanukkah, and little handmade books about Kwanza.
So yes I do have a big problem with that. If a school is going to take daily lesson time to teach the class about the origin of the December religious holidays, NONE should be excluded, period. It really has nothing to do with fairness, its about education.

Kwanzaa is NOT a religious holiday as far as I know. It is a cultural thing, not a religious thing. Just wanted to throw that out there!
 
A couple of Sundays ago I could have gone over to Wolf Trap, a National Park property, to watch the United States Marine Band play Christmas music. The concert, as always, ends with a candlelight processional to Silent Night. Then I could have driven down to the Ellipse, another National Park property right behind the White House (listening to WASH FM playing full-time Christmas music) to see the National Christmas Tree, which the President lit just a few days prior while wishing everyone "Merry Christmas."

This weekend we'll be heading down to the National Cathedral for a Christmas program. Although it's an Episcopal Cathedral, it's been the site of many Presidential funeral services, most recently Ford and Reagan. It's where the President and Vice President went for a National Prayer Service right after their inauguration in January.

I think Christmas will survive whatever silliness heppens in the schools.
 
I grew up in the 70's and 80's before all this PC crap started and this type of discussion was never an issue. We had Christmas parties, Christmas plays, Christmas carols, Christmas trees and Christmas cookies...not "holiday" stuff and we never felt guilty or bowed to political issues. We were kids and didn't care about anything except presents and what we were getting that year.

Those were the days!

Okay, but how did the people who didn't celebrate Christmas/believe in Jesus feel? Did you ever think of that? :confused3
 
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