Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[cardaway]

Saying things are too PC has become the new way to throw around some hate and label any reaction as being too PC.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

- re: church / state - Try reading something beyond the document itself

I do not need to read something other than the U.S. Constitution to know what is written there. It is very plain and very succinct.

 

[WIcruizer]

Wow...I go away for a day and this thread goes nuts A few points:

- This is not a speech issue, no matter how hard the right tries to make it into one. As I stated in my second post on this thread, this bigot...er...girl, is allowed to stand on the street corner and make a fool out of herself any way she would like to do so. What she can not do is harrass other students. GT has the right to say that she can't, and if she doesn't like it she is free to go somewhere else. This is about harrassment, not speech.

/QUOTE]

You can disagree with this girl, but that doesn't change the fact it IS a free speech issue. Now the courts may decide against her/them, but that's the basis for the lawsuit. But whether she loses or not, free speech is the issue.

 

[WIcruizer]

Saying things are too PC has become the new way to throw around some hate and label any reaction as being too PC.

And exactly what hate did I throw around?

 

[toto2]

Whether that's true or not, I believe I still have a right to stand on the GA Tech campus and tell people that Gay Pride week or Black History month is foolish if I want to. That actually has nothing to do with tolerance. What if I could care less if someone is gay or straight, but I jsut make comments about how stupid Gay Pride week is? (Which, by the way, even many gay people think is stupid.) I think I have the right to say how stupid it is.

The bold is mine: you do know that a lot of religious people think that bigotery is stupid and that intolerance is stupid and so forth.

Then , it would all right to for an atheist to pass pamplhets on campus saying that christians are totally wrong and stupid to celabrate christmas because Jesus nerver existed and give those pamphlet to everone. Or to wear tshirts that says catholics are pedophiles. Would you tolerate this ? Because giving this right to christaian to bash gay people on university ground will give everybody the right to bash everybody. It is one thing to invite people to your religious meeting and another , to invite people to a gay bashing meeting.


PS: By bashing I mean verbal bashing , of course , and I dont think catholics are pedophiles and I dont think it is stupid to celebrate chrismas , even though I am an atheist...and gay

 

[toto2]

And just to add that usually people who think that "black history month" or "gay pride week" dont need those event in there life. An heterosexual person might think that gay pride is stupid becaus they dont need it. But for us gay people , to be able to "own" a part of a city , to be able to be on the street with our friends and familly like anyother person is very liberating ( so liberating in fact , that sometime some people go overboard). So dont judge gay pride as something stupid , since you dont need it. I could say that communion is stupid: eating a piece of bread that some put it hand over and say a few "magic" sentence in order to partake in God's meal. Hum pretty stupide to me. But most christian people need it, and we dont see anyone with t-shirts saying "communion is stupid"

PS: I dont really think communion is stupid.

 

[In a hurry]

The bold is mine: you do know that a lot of religious people think that bigotery is stupid and that intolerance is stupid and so forth.

Than , it would all right to for an atheist to pas pamplhets on campus saying that christians are totally wrong and stupid to celabrate chrismas because Jesus nerver existed and give those pamphlet to everone. Or to wear tshirts that says catholics are pedophiles. Would you tolerate this ? Because giving this right to christaian to bash gay people on university ground will give everybody the right to bash everybody. It is one thing to invite people to your religious meeting and another , and another to invite people to a gay bashing meeting.

Why would this be any different than my town allowing the KKK to parade including their horrific ideas? I honestly don't understand? Is it bcause it is a University? I think that atheists have every right to pass a pamphlet and that any idiot can wear a t-shirt saying whatever. It is their problem if they upset someone. Who do you think should have control over what is allowed to be said, and what isn't?

 

[auntpolly]

- Back to the gay v. Christian thing....I'm not anti-christianity, despite the fact that I find it foolish. What I am very much against are the self-styled "christians" that practice their religion by attacking others rather than helping those in need. They would rather practice their bigoted views than focus on the other 99.9% of christian teachings, and yes, I'm sorry, but it gives all christians a bad image, in my view.

First of all, I agree with you most of the time, so I hate to pick on you (and yet, here I go ).

I understand your desire judge people on the basis of what the most extreme and distructive of them do -- viewing all with the same bad image -- of course that's what people who don't like Muslims, and black people, and gay people do, but if you don't mind being like the people you hate, who am I to judge? .... .

And the wind blew Bush our way this time, it'll blow another way another time. (I pray for this every day.)

And I'm sorry, but when you try to belittle people's arguments with the s and the s, it takes away from the integrity of your words.

 

[RickinNYC]

Americans are free to say what they please. That IS in the Constitution.

Wanna peanut butter cup?

 

[ead79]

I understand your desire judge people on the basis of what the most extreme and distructive of them do -- viewing all with the same bad image -- of course that's what people who don't like Muslims, and black people, and gay people do, but if you don't mind being like the people you hate, who am I to judge? .... .

And I'm sorry, but when you try to belittle people's arguments with the s and the s, it takes away from the integrity of your words.

Very well said, auntpolly. I don’t think it makes much sense to judge an entire group of people based on what a very small number of them do.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Wanna peanut butter cup?

Yes, please. My favorite. Do you have the Big Cup, the Easter Eggs, or the regular kind?

You're with me on the chocolate ON THE pb, right?

(I think I love you!)

 

[WIcruizer]

The bold is mine: you do know that a lot of religious people think that bigotery is stupid and that intolerance is stupid and so forth.

Then , it would all right to for an atheist to pass pamplhets on campus saying that christians are totally wrong and stupid to celabrate christmas because Jesus nerver existed and give those pamphlet to everone. Or to wear tshirts that says catholics are pedophiles. Would you tolerate this ? Because giving this right to christaian to bash gay people on university ground will give everybody the right to bash everybody. It is one thing to invite people to your religious meeting and another , to invite people to a gay bashing meeting.

Are you serious? This happens all the time! Christians are constantly accused of being wrong and stupid. Christianity is under constant attack, so much so that it's seen as being trendy. I don't like it, but they have a right to say whatever they want about Christianity. (IMHO)

 

[discernment]

Just try the liberal tactic of college students shouting down anyone that dares to present a conservative point of view. Or maybe you can hit them with a pie in the face.

 

[toto2]

Why would this be any different than my town allowing the KKK to parade including their horrific ideas? I honestly don't understand? Is it bcause it is a University? I think that atheists have every right to pass a pamphlet and that any idiot can wear a t-shirt saying whatever. It is their problem if they upset someone. Who do you think should have control over what is allowed to be said, and what isn't?

I dont think the street is the same as a university. There are rules when you attend school: rules of conduct , sometimes dress codes ( obviously not a t university). When you sign up for university , you sign up to the rules as well , and if that University says that you cannot disparrage a group in society and that the university is a place of tolerance ( not acceptance , not understanding , but tolerance) , tou have to live by the rule.

tolerance
n 1: the power or capacity of an organism to tolerate unfavorable
environmental conditions
2: a disposition to allow freedom of choice and behavior [syn:
permissiveness] [ant: unpermissiveness]
3: the act of tolerating something
4: willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or
practices of others [ant: intolerance]
5: a permissible difference; allowing freedom to move within
limits [syn: allowance, leeway, margin]

From:http://dict.die.net/tolerance/

 

[WIcruizer]

And just to add that usually people who think that "black history month" or "gay pride week" dont need those event in there life. An heterosexual person might think that gay pride is stupid becaus they dont need it. But for us gay people , to be able to "own" a part of a city , to be able to be on the street with our friends and familly like anyother person is very liberating ( so liberating in fact , that sometime some people go overboard). So dont judge gay pride as something stupid , since you dont need it.

You're entitled to your opinion, and if you feel you need it that's fine. That doesn't mean I can't believe it's ridiculous to 1) Identify myself exclusively through my sexual preference or 2) Have a week to celebrate whom I like having sex with. So it has nothing to do with whether I need it or not. AS I said earlier, gay people I work with and/or know socially think gay pride week is a joke as well. They HATE being identified as gay, because they want to be defined as a person not by their sexual orientation.

 

[RickinNYC]

Are you serious? This happens all the time! Christians are constantly accused of being wrong and stupid. Christianity is under constant attack, so much so that it's seen as being trendy. I don't like it, but they have a right to say whatever they want about Christianity. (IMHO)

Like I said before, sucks being a member of a smaller community that is constantly being discriminated against doesn't it? Unfortunately not everyone learns from the experience.

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Hey, when I say sucks it gets edited. Just checking to see if that changed.

ETA: It stayed! Yea!

The anti-gay people girl sucks. All the anti-gay people suck. The anti-Christian people suck.

And if I don't get a peanut butter cup pretty darn soon, then Rick will suck.

OK, got that out of my system.

 

[discernment]

It sucks that some people dont take responsibility for their choices. If you choose to be in a minority then you need to be willing to accept responsibility for that decision.

Christians should not be surprised when they are persecuted as they have been told in the scriptures that they will be persecuted.

Press on towards the ultimate goal!

 

[In a hurry]

I dont think the street is the same as a university. There are rules when you attend school: rules of conduct , sometimes dress codes ( obviously not a t university). When you sign up for university , you sign up to the rules as well , and if that University says that you cannot disparrage a group in society and that the university is a place of tolerance ( not acceptance , not understanding , but tolerance) , tou have to live by the rule.

tolerance
n 1: the power or capacity of an organism to tolerate unfavorable
environmental conditions
2: a disposition to allow freedom of choice and behavior [syn:
permissiveness] [ant: unpermissiveness]
3: the act of tolerating something
4: willingness to recognize and respect the beliefs or
practices of others [ant: intolerance]
5: a permissible difference; allowing freedom to move within
limits [syn: allowance, leeway, margin]

From:http://dict.die.net/tolerance/

I know what tolerance is, btw. I just believe in the right for all groups, whether I agree with them or not to express themselves. The U. where I earned by Masters was a very liberal place. I chose it because it did was liberal in the way it dealt with people, esp. minorities. But, I believe that everyone has a right to their thoughts and the right to express them. Harassment is a behavior that can be dictated against. You can't dictate thoughts, and I don't believe you should dictate speech.

 

[dcentity2000]

Thread needed more internet.



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