Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[WIcruizer]

Like I said before, sucks being a member of a smaller community that is constantly being discriminated against doesn't it? Unfortunately not everyone learns from the experience.

No, it doesn't suck. I know of no "community" that is constantly being discriminated against do you?

 

[toto2]

Are you serious? This happens all the time! Christians are constantly accused of being wrong and stupid. Christianity is under constant attack, so much so that it's seen as being trendy. I don't like it, but they have a right to say whatever they want about Christianity. (IMHO)

Bold is mine. Christianity is not underattack. some things said or believed by christians are being contested and yess are under attack. I have not seen anywhere in North america , south america , most of Europe , Africa , Australia etc , where any governement said that you cannot be a christian. The rights of no one in all those place , to worship their God is not denied . The right to live there life as they please, worship as they please , celebrate holydays , marry as they please , raise there children in their faith etc is respected , ( i could use the word tolerate , but I would be afraid to insult christians) So no , christianity is not under attack. My atheisim is not attacking your christianity, My gayness is not attacking your christianity. My tolerance of christians does not attack your christianity, my love life is not attacking your christianity. And this women at this University seeem to think that it is all right to attack my being ( not my lifestyle: being a nudist is a life style , being a christian is a lifestyle , being a cowboy is a lifestyle , I could even say that being an atheist is a lifestyle since I chose to be) on the ground of a univerity that has rule regarding attacking other people race , sexual orientaton and religious afiliation.

In my country (Canada) and in my province ( Québec) it is written in our constitution that you cannot be discriminated for you gender , sexual orientation , race religion etc. In anyway. Freedom is for everyone , regardless of gender , sexual orientaion race and religion.

 

[cardaway]

Remember, gay people made a choice, so it's OK to say things about them that you wouldn't say about another minority.

 

[WIcruizer]

Bold is mine. Christianity is not underattack. some things said or believed by christians are being contested and yess are under attack. I have not seen anywhere in North america , south america , most of Europe , Africa , Australia etc , where any governement said that you cannot be a christian. The rights of no one in all those place , to worship their God is not denied . The right to live there life as they please, worship as they please , celebrate holydays , marry as they please , raise there children in their faith etc is respected , ( i could use the word tolerate , but I would be afraid to insult christians) So no , christianity is not under attack. My atheisim is not attacking your christianity, My gayness is not attacking your christianity. My tolerance of christians does not attack your christianity, my love life is not attacking your christianity. And this women at this University seeem to think that it is all right to attack my being ( not my lifestyle: being a nudist is a life style , being a christian is a lifestyle , being a cowboy is a lifestyle , I could even say that being an atheist is a lifestyle since I chose to be) on the ground of a univerity that has rule regarding attacking other people race , sexual orientaton and religious afiliation.

In my country (Canada) and in my province ( Québec) it is written in our constitution that you cannot be discriminated for you gender , sexual orientation , race religion etc. In anyway. Freedom is for everyone , regardless of gender , sexual orientaion race and religion.

I don't understand your point, I'm sorry. But I will say you conveniently picked countries where Christianity is not under attack. As opposed to China, the entire Middle East, parts of Africa, and the U.S.

But that's beside the point, because nothing I have ever said in this topic has anything to do with Christianity, yet you keep bringing it up. Ialso don't remember saying anything about lifestyle. Of course freedom is for everyone, so what's the problem?

 

[Holly]

No, it doesn't suck. I know of no "community" that is constantly being discriminated against do you?

Dictionary.com definition of community:

ccom·mu·ni·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-myn-t)
n. pl. com·mu·ni·ties

A group of people living in the same locality and under the same government.
The district or locality in which such a group lives.

A group of people having common interests: the scientific community; the international business community.
A group viewed as forming a distinct segment of society: the gay community; the community of color.

Similarity or identity: a community of interests.
Sharing, participation, and fellowship.
Society as a whole; the public.
Ecology.
A group of plants and animals living and interacting with one another in a specific region under relatively similar environmental conditions.
The region occupied by a group of interacting organisms.

The two communities I highlighted above are constantly discriminated against.

 

[Holly]

I don't understand your point, I'm sorry. But I will say you conveniently picked countries where Christianity is not under attack. As opposed to China, the entire Middle East, parts of Africa, and the U.S.

But that's beside the point, because nothing I have ever said in this topic has anything to do with Christianity, yet you keep bringing it up. Ialso don't remember saying anything about lifestyle. Of course freedom is for everyone, so what's the problem?

Aren't those things what this thread is about? Of course he keeps bringing them up.

Christianity is not under attack in the entire Middle East, that is a sweeping generalization.

I don't see it under attack here in the U.S., either.

 

[toto2]

I don't understand your point, I'm sorry. But I will say you conveniently picked countries where Christianity is not under attack. As opposed to China, the entire Middle East, parts of Africa, and the U.S.

But that's beside the point, because nothing I have ever said in this topic has anything to do with Christianity, yet you keep bringing it up. Ialso don't remember saying anything about lifestyle. Of course freedom is for everyone, so what's the problem?

I am sorry my post looked like it was picking on you I realise that it looks like that . I was anwsering the sentence that I put in bold about christianity being under attack. I do know the countries you are citing do forbid christianity , But The USA ? Is being christian forbidden in any form in parts of the USA ? Or will it be in the futur ?


I realised that I answer to a lot a of people and somehow I made it look like I was answering to you , and I wasnot. Sorry again ! When I refered to your christianity , It was not directed at you personnaly, more to chistians who feel threathens by gay people and use there religion as a way to discriminate. I am fench , so sometimes my use of english has limits.

 

[Kitka]

Just as you should tolerate anyone using their right to speak out against something they don't believe in. That's what the lawsuit is about.

It's also rather condescending for you to assume the poster's views are based on right-wing media. Then the reverse must be true, and your views are based on the left wing media?

Erm, yeah - I do tolerate ignorant people. Please point out anywhere I've said I don't. I'm not one opposed to the right to speak ignorantly - I jumped in because someone actually stated it was integral to the practice of Christianity to disparage homosexuals.

LOL - condescending? No. Presumptions, maybe. Anytime someone throws out the term "liberal" as an insult, as this poster did, it's quite obvious they are plugged into one of the many media outlets that perpetuate that "tactic".

And no, I don't participate in the media. Mostly because the only actual left-wing media outlet (Air America) is radio and would take away from my previous listening-to-Madonna time LOL!

 

[WIcruizer]

Dictionary.com definition of community:

The two communities I highlighted above are constantly discriminated against.

Constantly? No, I don't agree with that. People are discriminated against every day for being short, fat, ugly, gay, black, yound, old, etc. It is wrong, but I don't see any "constant" discrimination. In fact, how could gays even be discriminated against? If I were hiring you, how would I know who you sleep with?

 

[toto2]

Constantly? No, I don't agree with that. People are discriminated against every day for being short, fat, ugly, gay, black, yound, old, etc. It is wrong, but I don't see any "constant" discrimination. In fact, how could gays even be discriminated against? If I were hiring you, how would I know who you sleep with?

It is easy. You obviously dont say you are gay when you are hired , but if you want your partner to be part of of collective insurance , or you have to take care of him/her because they are sick , or they die and you have to take time off etc , you could lose your job because your boss discovers you are gay. Many states are taking out this protection from there laws , so you can legally be discriminated agains because of your sexual orientation.

Now , you are not going to loose your job because you said that , at your wedding , the church was decorated with with lily. Try this with your commitment cermony , and in some states , you can loose your job, or be trown out of your appartment.

 

[WIcruizer]

Erm, yeah - I do tolerate ignorant people. Please point out anywhere I've said I don't. I'm not one opposed to the right to speak ignorantly - I jumped in because someone actually stated it was integral to the practice of Christianity to disparage homosexuals.

LOL - condescending? No. Presumptions, maybe. Anytime someone throws out the term "liberal" as an insult, as this poster did, it's quite obvious they are plugged into one of the many media outlets that perpetuate that "tactic".

And no, I don't participate in the media. Mostly because the only actual left-wing media outlet (Air America) is radio and would take away from my previous listening-to-Madonna time LOL!

You need the media to teach you the word "liberal?" The only left-wing media outlet is Air America? There are far more outlets than that. Newspapers, magazines, internet sites, radio, TV.

 

[Amrita]

wvrevy, First of all are you a judge, because you think you are qualified to call this an issue of harrassment and not a speech issue. That is your perception of it. A peson not being able to express their opinion is having their speech stifled, but I forget, if it is a so-called conservative opinion, speech stifling is acceptable.
2nd, you say you have a problem with discrimination and non-tolerance yet you call this girl a bigot, very easy to resort to name calling, rather than just say you disagree with her opinion.
You are combative, agressive, and almost insulting if I actually gave your opinion, which you regard as fact, any weight what so ever. You're not anti-christian, yet you find it "foolish" now thats an oxymoron. LOL
I find your type of person funny, generally speaking, people like you love and support all types of minorities right? I bet the closest one you live near is maybe 100 miles away. LOL Now, I live in diversity in nyc, you can never teach or learn what you get from actually living in it. It is eyeopening, it is reality.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Just try the liberal tactic of college students shouting down anyone that dares to present a conservative point of view. Or maybe you can hit them with a pie in the face.

Yep, those open-minded, tolerant student liberals. -- with many of their "teachers" right behind them.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I'm sorry but you will never convince me that speaking out against others is what being a chrstian is about.

Speaking out against what is wrong and speaking for what is right is part of being a Christian.

 

[wvjules]

There seems to be confusion over speaking out and harrassing.

 

[Kitka]

You need the media to teach you the word "liberal?" The only left-wing media outlet is Air America? There are far more outlets than that. Newspapers, magazines, internet sites, radio, TV.

Eh, we'll have to agree to disagree that mainsteam media is liberal. Their wholesale buy-in to Bush's agenda and hand in selling the war to the people of the US is proof enough for most people that it is not. But arguing that topic is pointless as it's all in one's perceptions .

But no, I don't personally need anyone to teach me the word "Liberal" and if you'd actually read my post you'd realize that is not the object of my statements. Again, using the term "liberal" as an insult is a right-wing media tactic. That is not a matter of perception, that is a fact. In fact, many right-wing media personalities are very proud of the fact that they do that.

Another common right-wing tactic is to fail to address the real point at hand and to erect a straw man argument in a sad attempt to take the focus off the fact that they don't have a leg to stand on. As I will not play into that game, which is being played in a big way on this thread, I bid this thread goodbye, and goodnight! No time to argue - I've got a Disney trip in a week and a half!

 

[declansdad]

Speaking out against what is wrong and speaking for what is right is part of being a Christian.

I said speaking aout about others not about what is wrong or right. BIG difference.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This quote is from the link that was attached. Sorry, but I agree with most of it. I would never speak out, but I find Gay Pride Month stupid, as I do the whole cottage industry of diversity training. Why shouldn't someone (fundamental Christian or not) be able to speak out against Gay Pride Month?

Well they don't have a Heterosexual pride month.

The work place isn't a place to "share the love". That should be left off campus and out of the workplace.

And for clarification--well--not sure if I can clarify but for example they have Black History Month--that is okay--shows wonderful figures in our history who did great things. My understanding of Gay Pride Month--they don't do so much of that. I don't know. I just don't see teh workplace as an appropriate venue of that.


I agree with whomever said teh bible doesn't preach intolerance. While the act may be wrong--she should be free to speak out against it. She should not be free to go around spewing hatred towards individuals. That definitely is not in the Bible. ETA: I should have quoted b/c that sounds almost nothing like who said it--it was Kitka and I agree with what she (I think she) said.

Originally Posted by Kitka
Yep. That's exactly it.

But, I would argue that yes, the Bible DOES say not to. Christ said, 'A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another. By this all men will know you are my disciples, if you have love for one another'.... that's all. It said love one another - not judge one another, not love straight people but not gay people... Anytime you are showing compassion to another human, you are living in accordance with God's word. When you display intolerance, disdain, and hatred for another human, you are not living Christ's words.

 

[auntpolly]

I thought this was interesting -- I found it online http://www.christiangay.com/he_loves/Jesus.htm

What did Jesus Say?

The only place Jesus really addressed or even hinted at sexuality is found in Matthew chapter 19. Here you find Jesus, the disciples and the Pharisees discussing this very topic of marriage between males and females. It is true that God created males and females and instituted marriage. But in Matthew 19 Jesus adds another thing that many ignore or overlook because it doesn't apply to them:

Matthew 19:11-12

Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

Typically a eunuch is defined as a castrated male. This is incorrect. Castration means to remove the testicles (that were already there) or emasculate. If all eunuchs were castrated males then why would Jesus say that "some were born that way?" A eunuch is a man who has no desire or ability to have sexual relations with a woman. These men were commonly used to protect the harems. Since the Word of God is for everyone we can apply the spiritual concept found in Galatians 3:28 where the Apostle Paul says: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Therefore, a eunuch can be male or female in this passage.

Jesus addressed three types of eunuchs.

1. Those born that way. (That's people like me who are born gay.)

2. Those made that way by men. (Those castrated or those sexually abused people who choose to be gay as a result of this abuse rather than because it is their natural sexual affinity.)

3. Those who elect not to have a sexual relationship for the sake of the kingdom. (For example a priest or nun. This group makes the decision on their own.)

So here, our Lord Jesus states that not everyone will marry according to the custom as in male and female. He also said that not everyone can accept this. He says that those that can accept it should accept it. Can you accept what Jesus said? I can.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Lastly--I went to UF.

At "the rock" (looks like a potato, but I degress) at Turlington Hall--they would have these fanatics who basically tell everyone they are going to he**. On the Plaza--the Hare Krishnas had free vegetarian lunches daily.

Now--a public university is really no different than the state capital or the streets of Washington DC.

Public property--free for those to convene and do this sort of thing b/c they haev the right to do this.

Not sure if they are still there--but I am sure they are there.

College is the time for expression and free thought--no matter how stupid that thought is.