Chivalry please-a vent

[DebbieB]

Just maybe Disney should have better bus runs ! I gave up on thier buses 10 years ago.... Would never be at WDW without a rental car !

I hate standing on busses, so I make sure I always get a seat by renting a car. The AC always works, I always get my choice of radio stations.......

 

[Amy&Dan]

After she judge wrong though, she should have made it right. She could have used her voice and said she needed to get off the bus. I'm sure it was not the mosh pit she is portraying. As for her being shoved to the back away from her other children, she should have held her ground and let the other people go by her. It's her responsibility. I'm sure most people on the bus had no idea she was separated from her kids. HER responsibility again.

Should have, could have. So far this has gone from this OP is selfish and has a sense of entitlement. Then it evolved further into she is irresponsible. She should have never gotten on the bus. She should rent a car as WDW transporation is so dangerous and unreliable, any parent worth thier salt would never have their young children use it. Now we all can sit here and think in the here and now, that she should have done this or that once on the bus. Now its being said that she should have yelled, screamed, exited, not let the four year olds sit so she could sit and so on. Again everyone, this all happend quickly. She didn't say it was a mosh pit but it was obviously crowded. In fact the very way you worded this makes it sound like now she exaggerated the whole thing and is therefore being untruthful.

After 164 posts and 11 pages,can we all agree this was just one of those situations that could happen to anyone and that the OP made a valid point that it would have been nice if somebody had offered her a seat and leave it at that?

This thing has been blown so out of proportion and the mob mentality that has ensued is somewhat amazing. At this point I think everything she has said and not said, did and not did has been picked apart about as much as possible. I just have to say, I feel sorry for her now and I wonder if she ever comes back to the boards.

 

[disneydiva0729]

Okay so I honestly am not a mom and have never been to Disney w. anyone other then twenty year olds so I can't say anything about this particular incident, but what I can say is this ...
Disney is all about experiences, it is very in the moment, some moments are the most magical ever and others not so magical. Hopefully, if Disney does there job well (which they always do), your positives out way your negatives and the trip is enjoyable.
Secondly, to defend Disney bus etiquette, almost every time I've taken Disney transportation, acts are made to atempt to accomadate those who need to sit, whether that means giving up a seat to stand for an older person or expecting mom, or waiting for another bus so that a severly ill person can return to their room more quickly.
All in all, people are good. Especially in Disney, people not only CMs but guests try to make every one elses vacation enjoyable... sure you get the negative Nancies, but thats life.
I remember once when I was in AK there was a really bad, really unexpected cold rain storm, much worse then the typical afternoon rains. There was a young family waiting for a bus, the DD and DS were both wet and freezing. Well wouldn't you know as if rehersed, myself and another stranger pulled warm, dry sweatshirts out of our bags for these kids to wear the rest of the ride home.
Magic is All around you, you just have to know where to look.

 

[KSDisneyDad]

I think this poor woman thinks and rightly so, that she is the woman who has been called an irresponsible parent. When you have kids of your own, and somebody who doesn't know you levels that insult against you, it will probably make a lot more sense why she came on later and said what you took offense to. My best guess is that she thinks she has to come on here and defend herself on a thread she probably very much wishes she had never started!

I guess I am in the minoirty. I have been known to get on that bus at night thinking it wasn't that crowded only to get on there and find it packed. Maybe that is what happened to this poster. I have never one time heard her say she expected to be given a seat automatically. This was one of those situations that got out of hand quickly. The same could be said about this thread. This poster had three young children, she made a judgement about something and she judged wrong. I guess some people never have had that happen.

You and I think alike.

Should have, could have. So far this has gone from this OP is selfish and has a sense of entitlement. Then it evolved further into she is irresponsible. She should have never gotten on the bus. Sshe should rent a car as WDW transporation is so dangerous and unreliable any parent worth thier salt would never have their young children use it. Now we all can sit here and think in the here and now, she should have done this or that once on the bus. She should have yelled, screamed, exited, not let the four year olds sit so she could sit and so on. Again everyone, this all happend quickly. She didn't say it was a mob pit but it was obviously crowded.

This thing has been blown so out of proportion and the mob mentality that has ensued is somewhat amazing. At this point I think everything she has said and not said, did and not did has been picked apart about as much as possible.

Again, ITA....what is someone supposed to do? Fight their way in and ask the bus driver how many seats there are on the bus and while everyone is rushing in because they are tired and often, a little grumpy, and then count those people to make sure you have enough seats. Sometimes it happens way too quickly and if anyone has ever tried to herd several children while carrying bags, etc., it can be extremely difficult, if not impossible to round them up to exit a bus. Those bus drivers try to cram every last square inch of the standing room only space and they keep asking you to move back. I've been there and we've tried to exit a bus, but couldn't get the whole family together to do so and didn't want to be split-up. It's easier said than done.

I find the bus system horribly crowded and frustrating, not to mention the fact that a lot of your fellow passengers seem to forgot that they are in the "happiest place on earth" as all they want to do is get back to the resort as quickly as possible. This is why we now rent cars.

'Coulda', 'woulda', 'shoulda'....it doesn't really matter....the OP (and many others like her every day) was in a bad situation and there is a lack of kindness, which is a shame. Yes, there are a lot of good people who help others who clearly are in more of a need than them, and I hate to believe that others would delight in someone's misery or bad situation, and blame it on them, but I guess that is done.

This thread has brought back so many bad memories of trying to get back to the resort after the evening fireworks (which I guess I'm not entitled to enjoy because I have kids who might be tired). Prior to this thread, I was questioning why we're spending the extra money on a rental car on our upcoming trip. I'm no longer questioning that decision!

As another poster said, all I can do is agree to disagree.

 

[Amy&Dan]

KSDisneyDad: We do think alike. Maybe because we both live outside Denver!

I agree, I guess its best to just agree to disagree on this and many other disboard issues. It certainly has been an interesting read.

 

[ilandrazdsw]

OK, I'll probably get flames for this, but...shouldn't the bus drivers take a little (well, a lot) of responsibility for bus safety (how fast people board, # of people on board)? Some drivers give the impression (or basically in words) to hurry up and cram on the bus as quickly as possible and encourage as many people to fit as possible. Not all, but I have seen it happen. If the drivers would take a little time and encourage people to slow down and file on the bus calmly it may help to avoid parties getting separated. Also if the driver sees that the bus is getting really full then he should stop herding in the people and tell those that do want to cram on the bus to wait for the next one. Yes, it is the riders responsibility to make the judgement call if they will ride or not, but it is also the drivers responsibility to make sure that his passengers will be as safe as possible.
One night the bus was starting to fill up with people standing, but not crowded and the driver asked us to wait so the children would have a safer ride. The next bus was right behind it, but I really appreciated that the driver cared about the safety of the passengers, not filling to bus to move people from point A to point B.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Not everyone has your religous beliefs and do not care to be "blessed" by you when they sneeze whatever that means.

seriously?

Seriously. The tradition of 'blessing' people after a sneeze is based on the old/ancient assumption that one's soul momentarily leaves one's body during a sneeze, and that offering that brief blessing prevents any bad influence from entering the body before the soul can get back in.
Househunter is correct - it IS based on religious beliefs, and not applicable for everyone.

She didn't have to get on the bus though.

Especially when boarding at a starting point - for example, at a park, or at a resort's only stop - and if it's the low-floor buses... if there are more than thirty people ahead of you in line and you must have a seat, expect to step aside and wait for the next bus. Often, at the parks at closing time, it may pull up on the far side of the current bus.

a lot of people have suggested that someone with small children should wait for the next bus. honest question here -- does that normally guarantee you a seat? aren't some buses going to have people on them when they get to your resort, depending on where you're coming from?

Sure it's possible - but in this case, the OP was apparently leaving a park at the end of the day, i.e. the bus's starting point.

 

[TM1982]

OK, I'll probably get flames for this, but...shouldn't the bus drivers take a little (well, a lot) of responsibility for bus safety (how fast people board, # of people on board)? Some drivers give the impression (or basically in words) to hurry up and cram on the bus as quickly as possible and encourage as many people to fit as possible. Not all, but I have seen it happen. If the drivers would take a little time and encourage people to slow down and file on the bus calmly it may help to avoid parties getting separated. Also if the driver sees that the bus is getting really full then he should stop herding in the people and tell those that do want to cram on the bus to wait for the next one. Yes, it is the riders responsibility to make the judgement call if they will ride or not, but it is also the drivers responsibility to make sure that his passengers will be as safe as possible.
One night the bus was starting to fill up with people standing, but not crowded and the driver asked us to wait so the children would have a safer ride. The next bus was right behind it, but I really appreciated that the driver cared about the safety of the passengers, not filling to bus to move people from point A to point B.

I agree with you on the safety issue. It is absolutely the bus driver's and WDW's responsibility to ensure safety. If all the seats are taken, why are they allowing mothers holding children on the bus? It is not the responsibility of people already on the bus to make sure everyone is safe. Especially not in the evening when half the people on the bus are knocked out!!

Now as for giving up seats, I give up my seats for pregnant women and elderly people (over 70). That's it folks. Seats are first come, first serve, just like rides in the park. People are not rude if they don't give up their seat, they're probably just tired. How could you be rude just by sitting in a seat that you waited longer than others for??

 

[ksjayhawkfan]

I get that she was upset and I get that she was attacked. But that works both ways. It has been stated umpteen times that if, accoriding to a lot of you, you dont give up your seat you are rude, inconsiderate, had a bad upbringing, arent teaching your kids manners, etc. Where is that any different than what was being thrown around about the OP? There have been things said on both sides of the debate that were uncalled for, but no one wants to admit that just because you dont give up a seat that it doesnt make you rude or a bad person.

 

[OandA]

I have a question for everyone, but especially those who feel that the OP made an irresponsible decision in getting on the bus. And really, this is not meant to further flame an already heated debate, but I am curious as to where the line may be drawn. I am seriously trying to see both sides of the argument.

Suppose you and your 80 year old grandmother get on the bus, and only discover when you get on, that the bus is getting full, and no seats are left. As you're looking for a seat, people are pouring on behind you, and you can't make it to the door to get off before the driver is off and on his way. I think this is a realistic scenario. I've been stuck on buses where you can barely turn around, let alone push your way against the oncoming crowd.

Your grandmother is clinging to a bar for dear life. Do you hope that someone offers her a seat? Or do you figure "well....she shouldn't have been so irresponsible as to get on the bus in the first place..."

I have been there with the elderly and I have always made sure there were seats on the bus before getting on it. It's what responsible people do. You don't just do as you please and then expect other people to adjust for your lack of responsibility.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Exactly! Sometimes Americans are Pigs-the manners are awful and we seem to have the entitlement mentality more so than anywhere else in this world I have been!

Personifcation EQUALLY applicable to the OP and the seated bus passengers.

She didn't have to get on the bus though

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Are you for flippin real?

Epithets aside, yes, the quoted poster is "for real". This perspective is shared by a number of posters on this thread.

no, that's right. she could still be standing at that bus stop. is that better?

No need to exaggerate. Disney does not leave anyone stranded at a park at the end of the day. Waiting for the next, empty bus would NOT have had the OP 'still standing at that bus stop at the same time she is apparently home after her trip.

 

[OandA]

Should have, could have. So far this has gone from this OP is selfish and has a sense of entitlement. Then it evolved further into she is irresponsible. She should have never gotten on the bus. She should rent a car as WDW transporation is so dangerous and unreliable, any parent worth thier salt would never have their young children use it. Now we all can sit here and think in the here and now, that she should have done this or that once on the bus. Now its being said that she should have yelled, screamed, exited, not let the four year olds sit so she could sit and so on. Again everyone, this all happend quickly. She didn't say it was a mosh pit but it was obviously crowded. In fact the very way you worded this makes it sound like now she exaggerated the whole thing and is therefore being untruthful.

After 164 posts and 11 pages,can we all agree this was just one of those situations that could happen to anyone and that the OP made a valid point that it would have been nice if somebody had offered her a seat and leave it at that?

This thing has been blown so out of proportion and the mob mentality that has ensued is somewhat amazing. At this point I think everything she has said and not said, did and not did has been picked apart about as much as possible. I just have to say, I feel sorry for her now and I wonder if she ever comes back to the boards.

She didn't just say it would have been nice if someone moved. She flat out whined and complained about chivalry and whatnot. It's all about entitlement to some people when they aren't really entitled to anything.

 

[kaytieeldr]

what's the best scenario:

1) person A is holding a sleeping child on bus #1, while able-bodied person B sits. person B gives up his/her seat for person A, and they both get back to their hotel on bus #1; or

2) person A is holding a sleeping child, waiting for a bus to go back to the hotel. person B is waiting for the same bus. bus #1 comes along, and person A, seeing that the bus is likely to be crowded, decides not to ride, while person B gets on and arrives back at the hotel on bus #1. some time later (5 minutes? 15 minutes?), bus #2 arrives, person A and child get on, and arrive back at the hotel.

Scenario 2, hands down. If the child-toting parent wants to be sure to have a seat, that parent needs to take personal responsibility and, if necessary, wait for a bus that will meet her/his needs. If that parent wants to be back at the resort at/by a particular time, there is the option of - again, taking personable responsibility and - leaving the park earlier.

 

[kaytieeldr]

It is a hazard that too many people put themselves into every day multiple times a day at Disney. Wasn't there just a fatal accident over the weekend and 9 people on a bus was taken to the hospital with minor injuries.

Sort of. The fatality did not involve anyone on the bus (and was apparently not the fault of the bus driver); there were nine passengers on the bus; three of those were treated for minor injuries.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Although if people don't want to have a jam packed bus, perhaps they leave the park before it closes or go in a little after opening. It's like city buses at rush hour. They're packed tight.

You're not kidding! I see one particular route, frequently, where the bus has SO many passengers seated and standing, I'm positive the bus is going to flip over as it makes a particular left turn (at, okay, probably a higher-than-allowed speed, and having run a red light to do it).

 

[Krisy1301]

I'm pretty sure that those who are flipping out on the OP will change their minds very quickly if GOD FORBID something happens to them or loved ones causing a disability or they grow older.

 

[Chuck S]

Originally Posted by Howdy Doodat

1) person A is holding a sleeping child on bus #1, while able-bodied person B sits. person B gives up his/her seat for person A, and they both get back to their hotel on bus #1

How would Person A know if Person B is able-bodied, at least as far as standing safely on a bus, just by looking?

Many things can affect the safety of standing on a moving bus. An inner ear infection, an invisible injury, a hip replacement from an accident; just to name a few.

If you saw me on a bus you'd likely thing I was able to stand, I'd appear as a reasonably healthy, ambulatory middle aged man. However, a rattlesnake bit my foot a year and a half ago. There is permanent nerve damage that affects my balance in my right leg. I am fine for walking/standing on a stationary surface...a moving bus--not so much. Would I need to explain my disability to the parent to avoid being judged as acting "unchivalrously or rudely?"

 

[kaytieeldr]

And about the people with hidden problems - of course you can never judge, but it's doubtful the entire bus was full of disabled people who could not give up their seats - yet manage to navigate long days in the parks.

Well, think about it - the OP managed to navigate a long day in the parks, but felt entitled to a seat on the bus; granted her reason was visible, but judge not until you have walked a mile (or seven ) in each of those seated Guest's shoes...

 

[Krisy1301]

I just want to take this a step further...

now granted..I know that those opposing the OP may say to my previous post that the OP is not disabled or and elder but would there be a different response to her if there was?

Just curious.


So the question is: do you follow the requests/signs on many public transportation to give up your seat for someone disabled or an elder?

 

[Amy&Dan]

I'll tell you who will not be able to stand on the bus. The dead horse we beat senseless on this thread! And yes, I played along too.