Chivalry is dead.

[Mrs. Charming]

It's true...I think a good part of a generation seems to have skipped manners. It's the whole entitlement thing, also. I'm very thankful to my MIL....she raised my husband to have good manners. It's a struggle to raise my son now that he sees bad manners everywhere he goes. I have to constantly remind my children how our family should behave...even though the rest of the world may sometimes do what's easy instead of what's right.

Also, when we're on the busses and men are taking up the seats, DH usually makes a big show of him and ds standing up...he usually says...son let's stand up so these ladies/children can have our seats...in the loudest voice possible. It usually shames some men out of their seats LOl

I totally agree. I've actually thanked my MIL for that. My DH has actually done that too, he's totally shamed other men into giving up their seats. (I have also given up my seat before I was a mother.)

That reminds me, last year, I was so tired, DD (20 months at the time) was asleep in my arms, and we started to go and I nearly fell over. I got so frustrated and nearly in tears, and asked very loudly, "Can someone please help us sit down? I have a baby, and I keep falling over!" Some *woman* actually did!

 

[DVCJones]

If she's really cute I'll let her sit on my lap.

If you're cute, I just might sit on your lap.

 

[qcmommy]

If you're cute, I just might sit on your lap.

 

[Markstudy]

How about all the parents with young children, pregnant women. This is a really simplistic view,

I know... my family was really simplistic.

My Mom skipped the year she was pregnant with my younger sister. We didn't go to Disney that year. And my Dad didn't take us to Disney until we could walk the park.

My mom and dad told me, when you have kids...don't be in a rush to drag them all over Disney World... Sure its fun for the parents who don't want to be away from their small children... but its a pain for the kids, and everyone else at the park, who is not juggling 3 toddlers.

My Dad was tough but smart in his logic. Is it the chicken or the egg?

Is it my fault for not giving you my seat at 11:45pm after I'm exhausted.. or is it your fault for bringing a two year old and baby.... who are way too young to be out that late?

Just another way to look at it?

 

[Cinderellabride]

I still haven't read all of the replies, but there is already a bunch I want to say. There are too many to quote everything I want to respond to so:

I am the one with the bus driver who made sure I had a seat. She actually did not force someone out of their seat because someone had already given me one, but she made sure someone had and said she wouldn't leave if they hadn't. Good for her for putting common decency over people's "right to their seat cause they got there first."

It's true that you don't have to give up your seat, but if you are perfectly able bodied person (man or woman) and you see a person (man or woman) holding a baby standing on a bus, and you don't give up your seat...well I will be nice and not say what I want to say.

Saying that if you walked around the parks all day with a child you should be able to stand on the bus with them is rediculous. Besides the already made point that you were not holding the child all day, is the ground at WDW moving? Did that change in the past year? No? I didn't think so. So it's not the same at all!

As for wearing out your kids so they fall asleep. How exactly did I wear out my 6 month old? Babies sleep when they sleep. And if he was awake, should he be standing? Cause that would be impossible!

As for waiting for another bus. Didn't I read on here not too long ago about someone who got yelled at by a bus driver for waiting for another bus?

As for not taking them till they are older. That's just rediculous as well. Disney is for kids (and grown ups too, you know I love it, but mostly it's for kids).

The OP did not say she wanted a seat because she was a woman, but because she was holding a sleeping child.

Clearly many of you do not have children, or you are just plain rude.

I often wonder in real life how many people on here are really like the way they portray themselves on this board. If they are I would not like to meet many of them.

 

[KellyNY]

This comment is not logical. We are parents not fortune tellers or mind readers. You can't always tell when a child is getting tired. My child can be playing and bouncing off the walls one minute and fast asleep the next. Seems to me you don't have children and you won't get it till you do. Flame away.

I do have children and since you got some yourself, you should know their needs are different from yours or mine.
You do not need to be mind reader to know your child needs break from park and you do not need to read the future to know that if you run all day with a kid, she/he will collapse by the end. Don't you see logic My point is listen to your kids needs not yours.

 

[Cinderellabride]

I also really don't understand people who say it's a pain for the kids to be at Disney???? Really???? Are you kidding???? I'm sure my kids are thinking no mommy I don't want to be here having fun and meeting Mickey Mouse because you might have to hold me on the bus?


Another thing why is everyone assuming the bus rides are late at night. The same thing happens on the busses at any hour that the busses are crowded which is a lot more than just late at night.

 

[Spanky]

I have just the opposite problem. I like to 'think' I am younger than I am but gentlemen keep getting up and offering me their seat. I find it embarrasing - I am quite capable of standing on the bus and it makes me feel like they think I am an old lady and I need a seat.
Please don't make me feel any older. I usually end up taking the seat so that I don't offend the man who has given up his seat. However, if anyone else gets on I am the first to offer my seat to them. I do not consider myself elderly - now my 92 year old mother - sure - offer her your seat.

 

[crashbb]

The OP did not say she wanted a seat because she was a woman, but because she was holding a sleeping child.

Actually, the OP did say that she wanted a seat because she was a woman:

I recently went to WDW with my 3 children (8,6 and 2) and a friend. My friend and I were appalled by the number of men and boys who never offered to give up a bus seat for women or small children. In fact, more women offered their seats than men did.

 

[pearlieq]

Why aren't people expected to be responsible for their own children?

If someone feels unable to keep their child safe while standing on a bus, DON'T GET ON THE BUS. That is your responsibility as a parent.

Who intentionally puts themself in a position where they feel their child is unsafe and then expects other people to make it right?

 

[LoraJ]

I still haven't read all of the replies, but there is already a bunch I want to say. There are too many to quote everything I want to respond to so:

I am the one with the bus driver who made sure I had a seat. She actually did not force someone out of their seat because someone had already given me one, but she made sure someone had and said she wouldn't leave if they hadn't. Good for her for putting common decency over people's "right to their seat cause they got there first."

It's true that you don't have to give up your seat, but if you are perfectly able bodied person (man or woman) and you see a person (man or woman) holding a baby standing on a bus, and you don't give up your seat...well I will be nice and not say what I want to say.

Saying that if you walked around the parks all day with a child you should be able to stand on the bus with them is rediculous. Besides the already made point that you were not holding the child all day, is the ground at WDW moving? Did that change in the past year? No? I didn't think so. So it's not the same at all!

As for wearing out your kids so they fall asleep. How exactly did I wear out my 6 month old? Babies sleep when they sleep. And if he was awake, should he be standing? Cause that would be impossible!

As for waiting for another bus. Didn't I read on here not too long ago about someone who got yelled at by a bus driver for waiting for another bus?

As for not taking them till they are older. That's just rediculous as well. Disney is for kids (and grown ups too, you know I love it, but mostly it's for kids).

The OP did not say she wanted a seat because she was a woman, but because she was holding a sleeping child.

Clearly many of you do not have children, or you are just plain rude.

I often wonder in real life how many people on here are really like the way they portray themselves on this board. If they are I would not like to meet many of them.

What about the decency to wait for another bus instead of expecting someone who has been waiting LONGER than you to get up for you? Or people who had the decency to wait for another bus so that they could get a seat, why should they get up when they already waited? This is why I get a car. Can't stand the entitlement mentality.

 

[Cinderellabride]

Actually, the OP did say that she wanted a seat because she was a woman:

I stand corrected. My apologies I read it wrong I thought it said woman with small children.

 

[livndisney]

Why aren't people expected to be responsible for their own children?

If someone feels unable to keep their child safe while standing on a bus, DON'T GET ON THE BUS. That is your responsibility as a parent.

Who intentionally puts themself in a position where they feel their child is unsafe and then expects other people to make it right?

I know some have said there is a sense of entitlement, but I think that is a two way street. Just because I am female does not entitle me to a seat. Just because I have a child does not entitle me to a seat. I am responsible for myself and my child. If I need a seat, I wait for the next bus. I do not expect anyone already seated to give up a seat for me-they are just as tired as I am. And "shaming" someone into giving up a seat? Yikes!

 

[CR Resort Fan 4 Life]

To all those who say that men should give up their seats for women, children, are they wrong because they happen to get on the bus first and you did not? I mean shouldn't all the guests be treated the same when it comes to the seats on the buses and just because others got seats first does not mean those people are wrong for not giving them up or even thinking about doing that. Maybe those guests are also tired after a long day in the parks and they have just as much of a right to those seats as the women and children.

 

[crashbb]

I stand corrected. My apologies I read it wrong I thought it said woman with small children.

I had to go back to double check as I thought maybe I was the one that had misread it.

I will stand for anyone (of either gender) who looks like they need it more than I do. Though, people like Spanky make me wary of offering my seat to "older" people - I have twice been basically yelled at by women I have offended (not suggesting Spanky yells at people who offer a seat). However, suggesting that all men need to offer all women a seat is rather presumptuous, in my opinion. I would never expect someone to offer me a seat because I'm female.

 

[lynnebla]

I agree, and I'm not just kidding.

If it is a parent holding a child I will get up. But not just for some random woman simply because she's a woman.

It's called "equality". It's terrible when you can't have your cake and eat it too.

IMO, those who fought for & got us women "equality" helped with the ruin of this great country. A lot of things would be much better if more moms were home teaching their children how to behave rather than trying to "have it all."

So, no, I don't want equality and, yes, I expect a man to give up his seat or hold a door open for me. And, I will expect the same from my sons.

 

[Cinderellabride]

What about the decency to wait for another bus instead of expecting someone who has been waiting LONGER than you to get up for you? Or people who had the decency to wait for another bus so that they could get a seat, why should they get up when they already waited? This is why I get a car. Can't stand the entitlement mentality.

You know? Next trip we might end up waiting for another bus. Or more likely we will leave at less than peak times.

But really the likelyhood that a perfectly able bodied person who is sitting on the bus chose to stand in line for another 20 minutes rather than stand on the bus for 20 minutes is highly unlikely. I don't think I've ever seen anyone wait for the next bus. And if someone did you'd likely have been in line when they did that and know it.

 

[Bouncin-Tigger]

Wow this is getting good....lol.I personally think if an able bodied person, not the handicaped or elderly, decides to go somewhere or do something that might be exhausting or involve public transportaion they should be aware of some of the outcomes of there decision, ie standing on a bus, to say someone deserves a seat because of gender is absolutely absurd. A person who chooses to give up a seat for someone for any reason should be thanked, a person who doesnt give up a seat shouldnt be looked at funny or thought of as rude or being raised poorly. I have and do usually give up a seat for anyone who looks like they need it more, by choice, but if you can not handle having to stand on a bus dont get on it and that is to the able bodied. Instead of relying on other people to make your day easier for you because you strolled up later or think you have some entitlement or automatic seat because of gender than someone else just take a step back and look in the mirror and realize maybe you planned a day that you couldnt physically handle.

 

[Cinderellabride]

IMO, those who fought for & got us women "equality" helped with the ruin of this great country. A lot of things would be much better if more moms were home teaching their children how to behave rather than trying to "have it all."

So, no, I don't want equality and, yes, I expect a man to give up his seat or hold a door open for me. And, I will expect the same from my sons.

After further thought, I decided to change my response to this. There is a difference between equality and sameness. Having the same rights to vote and whatnot does not make us the same as men. We are designed differently for a reason. Men are designed to be providers, women nurturers. The sad thing about women's lib is that it has forced many woman who do not want to work to have to work. Fortunately my husband makes sure I am able to stay home with my kids. If I were forced to choose between voting or staying home with my kids, I would choose my kids.

 

[Scrooge Jr]

or paying a higher ticket price so Disney can double it's fleet of busses?

I could not let this one pass.

Disney does not have to double its fleet just have the busses change their marquee from "Ole Key West" to where ever the busses are need.

I have seen and counted, five busses, less than half empty busses marked “Ole Key West” passes by as we stood in line for 45 minutes for a bus marked “All Star …” Ole Key West is a DVC resort.

To me a lot of this “giving up seats on crowded busses” business can go away if Disney had better bus fleet management.

We no longer will stay at a Value resort because in my opinion the busses run better at DVC, Deluxe and Moderate resorts and the busses are less crowded.