Chivalry is dead.

[Spritie]

Those stats were made up using the information for all available jobs. What scews them is that many jobs that attract more men pay more, such as garbage collectors, and the small percentage of those in the top 2% of the workforce. Currently more women are going into fields traditionally held by men (science, engineering) due to biased educational practices, and funding, entering college at greater numbers than men, etc. I think i can work through all that complicated stuff, lol. Well, if some dumb old female with a PhD in Sociology can figure them out.

I wasn't attempting to apply you were "a dumb old female" and I think its unfortunate you would refer to yourself that way. I just feel you are misinformed. We have different views I guess.

 

[seadd67]

again Its always bout some one else we never look our selfs In the mirror.We are always so quick to judge.Very very sad

 

[Chuck S]

My husband can't stand due to an invisible disability. We wait for another bus to come in order to sit. And then he still has to endure snide comments from rude women about not giving up his seat. My husband feels terrible that he can't offer his seat, but having to listen to the comments only makes him feel worse. Sometimes he gently tells them he is disabled. My take, if you want a seat, wait for the next bus. If you choose to get on a crowded bus and no seats are available, that was your choice, so don't complain.

Exactly. Because of rattle snake bite a couple of years ago. I have permanent nerve damage in my right foot. I walk fine around the house, and around town grocery shopping, etc. At WDW, I push my mother's wheelchair (she's 85). Without her W/C handles to hold onto, I would likely be in a scooter within a few hours of Disney walking and standing. By the end of the day, I can not stand on a moving bus, as the foot goes numb and has no of sense of balance. I would likely wind up falling in someone's lap on the first curve.

I can't tell you the number of women who have made snide comments about an apparently healthy 50yo man remaining seated...but really, why should I have to explain my nerve damage to a total stranger on a bus? That is one reason we drive to all the parks, except for MK. And if you've ever used the HC parking at MK, you know why we use the bus for that park.

 

[disneynewbee]

Maybe it's not about your memories? Maybe it's about your kids and their trip? Lugging around all the stuff little ones need AND the little ones themselves is asking ALOT of everyone involved; parents, kids and perfect strangers. Wearing the kids out to utter exhaustion and therefore having to tote him or her on the bus isn't anybodies idea of a good time. Since I enjoy standing on the bus (I think it's fun, go figure) I don't mind giving up my seat. And I'm one of the most polite people I know. I was raised in the South myself. We all have to live with the choices we make. You chose to take your kids to the parks when they were very small, you choose to deal with busses, etc. I choose to give up my seat to someone who needs it if I want. As someone mentioned, it's not about gender - it's about need.

I just think this attitude is crazy. You don't know anyones situation. Yes I drag a baby and her stuff and her stroller to Disney. Maybe I should have waited till she's older say 6 maybe and then my oldest dd would be 21 before she could go to Disney. I'm not going to deny my older kids because we have a baby. And not everyone has family or friends they can leave their kids with. Besides we all have a great time, it's not a burden or too much on any of us. And I don't ask anything of strangers so I don't see how people taking their kids is a lot on everyone else. If a stranger offers a seat it's greatly appreciated if not that's fine too. I waited for the next bus on many occasions and have no problem doing so even if I got an attitude on several occasions from the bus drivers who just wanted to load up. We also saw one bus driver who refused to move till someone gave a lady standing with a baby a seat or until she got off. So it seems to me the bus drivers all have their own standard or opinion about people with children standing on a bus.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Unfortunately, too many folks no longer care about anyone but themselves. My husband and sons would give up their seats to any person who is elderly, handicapped, pregnant, holding a small child or was in distress. For that matter, so would my daughters and I. Our society has a short supply of couth. Respect and manners no longer seem to be important.

 

[disneynewbee]

First of all, please do not make personal attacks at me with yours "people like you", OK?

Second, I always wait for another bus if it is full so I know exactly how long it takes.

And last but not least, it is your choice to wear off your kid in park so he/she is falling asleep. It is nice if someone will give a seat but do not expect it, no way.

This comment is not logical. We are parents not fortune tellers or mind readers. You can't always tell when a child is getting tired. My child can be playing and bouncing off the walls one minute and fast asleep the next. Seems to me you don't have children and you won't get it till you do. Flame away.

 

[~Kik-Kik~]

Ahhhh reading some of these posts reminds me why non-Americans think we're rude, crass, ignorant, and low class.

No comment.

 

[pearlieq]

Are there really women out there who think they are entitled to a seat simply because they are female? Seriously?

I can buy giving up a seat for the elderly, disabled, and possibly very pregnant ladies. But the idea of giving up a seat to a woman solely due to possession of another X chromosome is just preposterous!

 

[StitchandPooh'sMom]

My kids (who are both girls, BTW) love to give up their seats on the bus to someone else. I generally won't let my DD6 since she can't reach the higher handrails and I worry she will fall or bump her face into the pole, but I will put her on my lap or give up my own seat.

We frequently give up our seats to a child, anyone holding a child (male or female - DH and I have both BTDT with kids on Disney buses), anyone of an older generation, or a pregnant woman. We also give them up to people who just look like they really need an helping hand. I don't care if they got on before or after us.

I don't mind standing on a bus a bit - I'm totally able to hold myself up, and we don't travel with strollers, diaper bags, or anything else that might bump into someone or limit our ability to hold on safely. But I generally won't ask my kids to give up their seats - I feel that they are safer sitting down, and they are still my priority. DD10 is old enough to know she should offer her seat to someone in need and she is strong enough to hold on safely. DD6 just thinks it is cool to stand.

I would never expect anyone to give up a seat for me, and I'd politely turn them down most of the time. I don't need a seat on the short ride back to the resort. But I'd be extremely appreciative if someone gave up a seat for one of my kids. I don't expect it or think my kids are entitled to it, but it's a nice thing to do if you are able. I do think littler kids are safer in a sitting position on the buses. DD6 still hasn't quite figured out which way to lean when the bus turns.

 

[seadd67]

Are there really women out there who think they are entitled to a seat simply because they are female? Seriously?

I can buy giving up a seat for the elderly, disabled, and possibly very pregnant ladies. But the idea of giving up a seat to a woman solely due to possession of another X chromosome is just preposterous!

Ok thats what I would of said,thanks

 

[Scurvy]

This comment is not logical. We are parents not fortune tellers or mind readers. You can't always tell when a child is getting tired. My child can be playing and bouncing off the walls one minute and fast asleep the next. Seems to me you don't have children and you won't get it till you do. Flame away.

I am a parent and I know how unpredictable kids can be, especially at Disney World. They can fall asleep at the drop of a hat. That's why I learned to plan accordingly and not count on strangers giving me their seat to ensure my child's safety. It's my responsibility to keep my child safe and make sure we can get back to our hotel safely. If I couldn't safely get my child back to the room without relying on the kindness of strangers, I would not be traveling until I figured out how to manage it myself. It's great if someone chooses to help a parent with small children, but I think it's really foolish to count on something like that.

In this case there are some simple solutions to the problem that don't require you to take someone else's seat. It seems to me that the smart thing is to do all you can to keep your child safe without counting on strangers to help you.

 

[trai]

Wow, I'm actually very glad that I came upon this thread and read through it. It reminds me to personally be caring, decent and generous to all humans, regardless of gender. I am shocked and amazed by how very self-centered and anti-social some of these comments seem. Personally, I would give up my seat to a 30 year old man who looked overly tired if I wasn't. And I would absolutely, unequivocally give up my seat to a pregnant woman, child, parent with sleeping/small child, elderly person, disabled person or anyone else who looked like they really needed it. It's not about them expecting it...it makes no matter to me if they expect it or not. I can only be responsible for my behavior. Why can't we just all try to be more generous with eachother? Even if I haven't been in the past, after reading this thread, I know I will make every effort to be generous of spirit on my upcoming trip. I do believe that you get what you give!

 

[Nicoleclaw]

I don't expect a male to give me seat, if I am holding my 4 year old that is sleeping it would be appreciated. I would also offer my seat to a father holding a sleeping child, these little people don't feel so little when they are knocked out.
Elderly, disabled and Pregnant comes first in my eyes and then parents with sleepers and everyone else after that can fend for themselves

I agree 100%.

 

[Scrooge Jr]

In my opinion unless you are a man in a wheel chair you should be giving up your seat. If you not in a wheel chair and you can manage to drag yourself around a theme park all day, you should have no problem standing for a few more minutes on the bus.

Why?

 

[teacup princess]

How about all the parents with young children, pregnant women, elderly, handicapped ect. do as all the people in the "wait for the next bus" camp suggest, then we'll see how quickly a 90 minute line for the busses develops. Would you still be willing to hold on to your seat if it meant having to wait an extra hour for a bus, or paying a higher ticket price so Disney can double it's fleet of busses?

This is a really simplistic view, which unfortunately isn't feasible for Disney or most of it's guests.

 

[disneynewbee]

I am a parent and I know how unpredictable kids can be, especially at Disney World. They can fall asleep at the drop of a hat. That's why I learned to plan accordingly and not count on strangers giving me their seat to ensure my child's safety. It's my responsibility to keep my child safe and make sure we can get back to our hotel safely. If I couldn't safely get my child back to the room without relying on the kindness of strangers, I would not be traveling until I figured out how to manage it myself. It's great if someone chooses to help a parent with small children, but I think it's really foolish to count on something like that.

In this case there are some simple solutions to the problem that don't require you to take someone else's seat. It seems to me that the smart thing is to do all you can to keep your child safe without counting on strangers to help you.

That's why I've never gotten on a full bus. Dh peaks in and backs out if there isn't at least 3 seats for the 6 of us. I had a few less than pleasant responses from a few bus drivers when we moved aside and wanted to wait on our trip in 06 so I'm a little nervous about this upcoming trip. After it happened twice on that trip I reported it to the transportation department since I don't think anyone should feel bullied into doing something they feel is unsafe for their family. I will not get on a bus standing with my kids. I don't even think Disney should allow it. I think when the bus gets to standing room only then only able bodied adults should be allowed on. I guess that would be a problem though with buses that make more than one stop.

 

[Withacy]

Wow, I'm actually very glad that I came upon this thread and read through it. It reminds me to personally be caring, decent and generous to all humans, regardless of gender. I am shocked and amazed by how very self-centered and anti-social some of these comments seem. Personally, I would give up my seat to a 30 year old man who looked overly tired if I wasn't. And I would absolutely, unequivocally give up my seat to a pregnant woman, child, parent with sleeping/small child, elderly person, disabled person or anyone else who looked like they really needed it. It's not about them expecting it...it makes no matter to me if they expect it or not. I can only be responsible for my behavior. Why can't we just all try to be more generous with eachother? Even if I haven't been in the past, after reading this thread, I know I will make every effort to be generous of spirit on my upcoming trip. I do believe that you get what you give!

I'm with you. I'm truly shocked by how selfish some people are - and I think they know it by how indignent they get. Between this and the people on another thread who were having fits over the idea that someone would get out of a 90 minute line to take their toddler to the potty and - horror of horrors - expect to get back in & rejoin their family.

If your child might have to pee, don't ride anything with a line! If your child might fall asleep - or you have a stroller, don't get on the free bus - RENT a car at your expense or spend hours holding that sleeping child until an empty bus comes along. It's just selfish to make someone with no social conscious feel bad about themself!

I'm a middle-aged woman with no children, and I get as annoyed as anyone with crying or poorly behaved children. But apparently some people think that the act of bringing children to Walt Disney World is a personal affront to them! I guess they'd be happy if it was a world like that place in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, where the children were locked out of sight and the adults got all the toys.

I don't expect anyone to give me their seat on a bus. But if I see someone in need, I'll give them mine, because I'm a civil human being. No one says you HAVE to give up yours. You have every right to keep your seat - you were there first. That's your right. And the rest of us have the right to think you're a selfish jerk. That's OUR right. Is that fair? Who cares!

And you are perfectly within your rights to explain why people shouldn't expect it of you, and how they're really the selfish, unreasonable ones. Of course, just know that with every justification you make, either silently to yourself on that bus or here, in writing on this forum, we just think you're more and more of a jerk. Isn't it great how we all get to think what we want???

 

[Markstudy]

When we plan our vacation we look at things like, which bus stops at what resort first. (Its no fun when your resort is third in line for pick-up in the morning)

We also take taxis when there are long lines for the bus at the end of the day.

We try to plan to leave early and beat the crowds if we have to take a bus.

I twisted my knee running for a bus after a rain shower at the Yacht Club. (don't wear Crocks when the tread gets worn down)... anyway, a lady with a child got on at the next bus stop, and gave me the stink eye. I didn't get up to give her my seat. I was just hoping my knee would be all right for a day of walking ( I was lucky, it didn't ruin our day). Point of my story- Crocks can be dangerous and people with kids don't automatically come first in every case.

 

[Br'erBriere]

Whoa Whoa Whoa. Talk about a hot topic. But hey I'll jump in.

As a male who has offered his seat and will continue to do so, let me just say that nothing annoys me more on the topic than people who complain about someone not giving up their seat.

People who give up their own comfort for others should be applauded as they are going above and beyond. To expect this from your human beings to the point where you feel someone else should give up their comfort for your own.. well let me just say that if you want to talk about a sense of entitlement I'd suggest looking no further than your own mirror.

Well said!

 

[Scrooge Jr]

By the way I have my popcorn ready for this thread in anticipation. I wonder if it will go down the line of people in wheelchairs or scooters turning up at the last minute and getting on the first bus.

I'm with you. I guess that is when I will get kicked off the Disboards. That is The Hot topic.