chip n dale campfire and tour

[featherface]

I did another brief search, and although, so far, Disney just mentions that the Campfire Sing-A-Long is available, and doesn't say who it is for, several other sites reiterate what I said:




Disney is paying for the event. And if they want to offer free amenities to
I do not see how this is any different than Starbucks offering a free bite-size sample of some pastry in their case. Do you complain because you (as a paying customer) are paying for "said pastry" every time you purchase a latte? No. You don't. Because you know that Starbucks is doing this with their profits to lure in more business. That's the same thing Disney is doing, when Disney allows guests who are not staying onsite to enjoy a sample of its amenities.

All I can say is Hmmmmm! When Starbucks gives away said samples do they do it inside the store, for already paying customers? Or do they set up and hand them out on the street corner for all the nieghborhood and those who happen to be driving by to enjoy!

 

[dudelydude]

Disney is paying for the event. And if they want to offer free amenities to I do not see how this is any different than Starbucks offering a free bite-size sample of some pastry in their case.

For any point you come up with, I am sure we can blow a hole right through it. Your perspective is too narrow. You are forgetting that 99.99% of all people that pass through the doors at Starbucks are there to purchase a coffee...these are the people that I equate to the paying resort guests at FW or any other Disney resort guest that is (presumably) allowed at the campfire. Pay for coffe = get free pastry sample....Pay to stay onsite = get campfire (as a perk of being a paying resort guest) without freeloaders.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

All I can say is Hmmmmm! When Starbucks gives away said samples do they do it inside the store, for already paying customers? Or do they set up and hand them out on the street corner for all the nieghborhood and those who happen to be driving by to enjoy!


If I am not mistaken, you are saying that it's for the PAYING customers, not the NON PAYING customers, and I completely agree with your take on this.
Very good example,

 

[featherface]

You're were right Frank. I was trying to quote OllieDannyandMe and the example of Starbucks that was used. Asking if Starbucks gave out the samples inside the store for the already paying customers, or if they gave them out on the street corner for all the freeloading world to enjoy.
I also believe that people not staying on Disney property should not even be allowed into the campground because its a security issue.

 

[angelmom27]

we once stayed at a condo off property and made an ADR for one for one of the dinners there. After the dinner went over to the chip and dale campfire. We didnt stay for the movie because it was a bit advanced for my kids so we just went back to the condo. Also from what I remember when we went in we had to go through the main gates for MK but just told the person at the booth we were there to go to the campsite and they let us through.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

still doesn't make free just because security lets everyone one in that wants to come in.

and it doesn't make it morally or ethically right either.


lets talk security at the Fort. It's the biggest joke I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely.
and without any exaggeration, a person can literally go into the Fort, make up any reason in the world,,flash a old key card, etc. and just go in and help themselves to the Fort. A Wal-Mart greeter is better security than those , so called, "SECURITY GUARDS" at the Forts entrances.

 

[Victoria3]

Guests are people who STAY,
example : if you spend the weekend at my house,, you are a guest.

Visitors are people who drop by/stop by/wander by for a short stay.
example : if you come by my house for a game of chess, you are a visitor.

What is so freakn hard to understand bout that ??

I learned that in school.

If there is no difference why are there two separate words ?

Seriously? You will never hear a Disney Cast Member call someone a visitor. Everyone is a guest. Why do you think the they have these places called GUEST Services in the parks. I guess they are only for people staying on property then?

From dictionary.com...

Visitor

–noun
a person who visits, as for reasons of friendship, business, duty, travel, or the like.

Guest

–noun
1. a person who spends some time at another person's home in some social activity, as a visit, dinner, or party.
2. a person who receives the hospitality of a club, a city, or the like.
3. a person who patronizes a hotel, restaurant, etc., for the lodging, food, or entertainment it provides.

—Synonyms
Visitor, caller, guest, visitant are terms for a person who comes to spend time with or stay with others, or in a place. A visitor often stays some time, for social pleasure, for business, sightseeing, etc.: a visitor at our neighbor's house. A caller comes for a brief (usually) formal visit: The caller merely left her card. A guest is anyone receiving hospitality, and the word has been extended to include anyone who pays for meals and lodging: a welcome guest; a hotel guest. Visitant applies especially to a migratory bird or to a supernatural being: a warbler as a visitant.

 

[Cindy F]

We go to the Fort 3-5 times a year and in principle, I don't care who comes to the campfire movie or who swims in the pool. If you want to come swim or watch a movie at Fort Wilderness, I don't care, I can share and it doesn't bother me. No you may not be paying for it but then again, you don't get to spend the night and wake up at the Fort either!

HOWEVER, having said all that. There are a few valid concerns that I have about non-guests being at the Fort pool/campfire sing along.

1) The Fort is a unique resort. In a hotel room you lock your door and there are security measures in place and no reason for you to be on the floor with rooms unless you are staying there. The Fort isn't like that, the campsites are easily accessible, it would be impossible to have the same type of security measures you may have in hotel rooms at the Fort, and when you're camping all of your "stuff" is NOT locked behind a door.

If you are in a tent, pop up, hybrid, your belongings may as well be sitting outside your hotel room door. Even those in hard sided campers have coolers, camping mats, chairs, bikes, etc outside on their campsite.

It's one thing to go to dinner, picnic, etc at Trail's End- it's in a "public" type area with the trading post, and tavern right at the marina with the lake at the edge. The campfire sing along and campground pool is in the middle of the campground surrounded by campsites. I would feel better knowing those areas were somewhat restricted.

2) Although I wouldn't begrudge anyone a swim on a hot day, I think it's only natural to feel like "I'm the one paying to be here, these are the amenities offered by my resort and I shouldn't have to be packed in like sardines or be unable to get a table or chair because daytrippers have settled in". Same thing with the campfire movie although that never seems to be as crowded as the pool.

I don't think anyone staying at the Fort has a problem with visitors swimming in the pool or taking their kids to the sing along or movie BUT because there is no way to have any type of minimal security with a totally open door policy AND there is also no realistic way to allow visitors to the pool/sing along/campfire only when it isn't crowded and only when a Fort guest isn't planning on using them.... most Fort guests have that "keep out" mentality- even me and I'm very big on sharing!

And now for a general public service announcement catering to my pet peeve:

Whether you are a guest of the Fort or not, if you go to the campfire movie- please shut up. Seriously, shut up or leave. It's not acceptable to yammer away during the movie nor is it acceptable to let your kids run all over the place screaming. It's the same as a movie theater- just outside.

Likewise, if your toddler or baby starts crying and throwing a fit and you can't get them to settle down - leave. No one else wants to hear that whether it's the campfire movie, restaurant, attractions, sing along, etc.

I don't mean all that as grumpy as it sounds.....but I do mean it!

 

[angelmom27]

still doesn't make free just because security lets everyone one in that wants to come in.

and it doesn't make it morally or ethically right either.


lets talk security at the Fort. It's the biggest joke I have ever seen in my life. Absolutely.
and without any exaggeration, a person can literally go into the Fort, make up any reason in the world,,flash a old key card, etc. and just go in and help themselves to the Fort. A Wal-Mart greeter is better security than those , so called, "SECURITY GUARDS" at the Forts entrances.

I never said it was fair or ethically right or any of that. I just responded to her question. And I dont remember any guards at the campsite area only the ones at the main entrance to MK. But that is the same with any resort.

 

[ob1quixote]

Is there something wrong with wanting resort level security and resort level amenities when you are paying resort level pricing?

I'm sorry for those who disagree, but the glaring lack of security at FW is it's only fault IMHO, and could be stepped up by simply having a park pass/room card check at the main gate and the marina.

They dont allow day trippers into other resort amenities, much less other resort pool-hoppers, why the **** should we accept anything less?

I wouldnt dream of sneaking into another resort's amenities, why should I accept it at FW from other resort visitors? from locals? Disney may pay for those amenities, but only because we are there paying Disney.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

Seriously? Why do you think the they have these places called GUEST Services in the parks.

Precisely !!!
You made my point EXACTLY !!
You DON'T get into the parks for FREE ! YOU have to PAY !! And this PAYING allows you certain privileges, LIKE "GUEST SERVICES" !!!
I can assure you , IF YOU SNEAK INTO A PARK AND THEY CATCH YOU THEY WILL THROW YOU OUT !!!
Go ahead, try to sneak in and use that excuse of " GUEST SERVICES" !!!!!! They will still kick you out !!! AND I'D BET THEY WOULD TELL YOU IT'S FOR PAYING CUSTOMERS !!! YOU KNOW,, THE GUEST !!!

Like wise , paying GUESTS at the on property resorts are allowed xtra privileges like amenities, BECAUSE THEY PAID TO STAY !!!!

 

[Victoria3]

Precisely !!!
You made my point EXACTLY !!
You DON'T get into the parks for FREE ! YOU have to PAY !! And this PAYING allows you certain privileges, LIKE "GUEST SERVICES" !!!
I can assure you , IF YOU SNEAK INTO A PARK AND THEY CATCH YOU THEY WILL THROW YOU OUT !!!
Go ahead, try to sneak in and use that excuse of " GUEST SERVICES" !!!!!! They will still kick you out !!! AND I'D BET THEY WOULD TELL YOU IT'S FOR PAYING CUSTOMERS !!! YOU KNOW,, THE GUEST !!!

Like wise , paying GUESTS at the on property resorts are allowed xtra privileges like amenities, BECAUSE THEY PAID TO STAY !!!!

You know there is Guest Services outside of the park and at Downtown Disney right? Explain that one to me.

 

[Cindy F]

Okay......I think it's "which do you like better, cake or pie and post a picture" time!

CAKE!

 

[Cindy F]

and a special cake for Frank!

Wow. That is one big picture!

 

[Born 2 Fish]

You know there is Guest Services outside of the park and at Downtown Disney right? Explain that one to me.

And why are these guests services there ?
Riddle me that ??

!. I would say that the services out side the park are to answer questions for the customers FIXING TO PAY TO GET INTO THE PARK !!!I mean seriously, have you gone to ANY park JUST TO USE GUEST SERVICES and then leave?? EVEN IF IT'S FREE !!!!

2. Guest services at DTD,,Do you REALLY think they are there for anything else than in anticipation of helping people who are staying on property or directing people where or how to spend money at one of the BUSINESSES !!!!!!
Come on get real, Now your just GRASPING AT STRAWS !!!

 

[Born 2 Fish]

and a special cake for Frank!

Wow. That is one big picture!

Mmmmmm, love me some cake !!

Specially that one ! Anyone got milk !!!



(love me some Red White & Blue Tater Salad too, )

 

[Cindy F]

Mmmmm, fried catfish with hush puppies and red/white/blue tater salad. Now look what you've done! I'm craving that now

Oh. After looking at this cake...I might want to change my answer to pie.

 

[tim5055]

You DON'T get into the parks for FREE ! YOU have to PAY !! And this PAYING allows you certain privileges, LIKE "GUEST SERVICES" !!!
I can assure you , IF YOU SNEAK INTO A PARK AND THEY CATCH YOU THEY WILL THROW YOU OUT !!!
Go ahead, try to sneak in and use that excuse of " GUEST SERVICES" !!!!!! They will still kick you out !!! AND I'D BET THEY WOULD TELL YOU IT'S FOR PAYING CUSTOMERS !!! YOU KNOW,, THE GUEST !!!

Like wise , paying GUESTS at the on property resorts are allowed xtra privileges like amenities, BECAUSE THEY PAID TO STAY !!!!

Frank, just to play devils advocate here....

In my earlier example I said I went to the Magic Kingdom prior to going to FW to see the campfire show. I was told then, no I can't because I'm not a guest. Now in your example you say that if I go to a park I am a guest...

I just have to ask, what is a guest? Otheres have already posted links to Disney sites that says that Chip & Dale are free for "guests"; but what is a guest really? You say "PAYING CUSTOMERS !!! YOU KNOW,, THE GUEST", but do I have to pay for? A hotel room or just a park admission?

The sites don't say it is for resort guests, They just use the term "guest".

 

[2goofycampers]

and a special cake for Frank!

We have a candle pretty close to that.

 

[dudelydude]

The sites don't say it is for resort guests, They just use the term "guest".

Like I said before, anyone who pays to get into a park or to stay at a resort is a guest. This is a business first and foremost, so Disney will give you that label if you are willing to spend that amount of money. BUT, I think there is a line that a park guest should not cross if they are not willing to spend the grand amount of cash that I spend to stay on-site. In part, I am paying for exclusivity....it's not fair that the park guest gets to come to the campfire, movie or pool when my resort fees are paying for those amenities.

You have to understand the business end of this. Disney charges a certain amount of dollars for each park ticket to cover operating expenses within the parks and for those park guests to get transportation back to their cars....they don't add extra money to the park tickets, so the non-resort guest can come use the resort amenities after they leave the parks.

And again, even if you don't see that logic from a business standpoint, there is a matter of just understanding (morally) what is right and wrong. And I think it's wrong that those staying offsite feel so entitled to cross the line into the area of "resort guest."