chip n dale campfire and tour

[Born 2 Fish]

Wow, I did not mean to make such a heated topic. I lived at the beach where hotels have restaraunts/bars that even if you weren't a guest, you were allowed to come and spend money at just like people would spend money buying smores stuff at the campfire. CM's families have special privileges (i.e. getting into parks for free), and I wasn't sure if it was the same for things like the campfire. No I would have not gone swimming in the pool for free, but would have spent money at the campfire. We do really want to stay at the Fort one day, but planning on doing so after we get our travel trailer. Anyways, the good news is... I am a "WDW Resort guest" now! CM cousin got us 50% off of Pop and DP for $27.99 pp and $11.99 for my son, so I couldn't turn that down!

Very cool !! I hope ya'll hava super magical time



and don't forget,,we LOVE trip reports !

 

[jlr9882]

Very cool !! I hope ya'll hava super magical time



and don't forget,,we LOVE trip reports !

Thank you! I know we will have a magical time!

 

[Victoria3]

You win.
All the amenities at Disney are "free" for your taking. Even tho I have repeatedly asked, "Show me OFFICIALLY" and you CAN'T.(But you are very good at saying "I believe".

Go and enjoy all that "free" "and you do not have to pay one penny" for stuff that Disney has to offer that everybody else has to pay out the nose for.


And on behalf of all us GUESTS who pay out the nose for the privileges and amenities at Disney,
to all of you VISITORS who enjoy all this so called FREE stuff Disney offers you, (apparently,,or at least in "your belief")
you are welcome.



it still just baffles me why it is Disney thinks I should pay out the nose for this stuff and not you ?
wonder why some folk are privileged/entitled and others have to pay ?

oh well, you win.

Anyone who visits Walt Disney World is guest as OllieDannyandMe pointed out.

Disney offers the camp fire sing along to everyone! If you don't like it write to Disney. They don't read messege boards.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

sure.

 

[dudelydude]

Wow, I did not mean to make such a heated topic. I lived at the beach where hotels have restaraunts/bars that even if you weren't a guest, you were allowed to come and spend money at just like people would spend money buying smores stuff at the campfire....

Okay, here's another one with a skewd sense of reality and poor sense of right vs. wrong. If you are staying on the beach and patronizing beachside restaurants and bars, you are spending money there just like I would if I were at home and decided to head out for a meal at the Red Lobster. The food and drinks aren't free. And you'll pay a cover charge if there is a band at one of those bars. You pay for what you consume or the entertainment you receive.

And while you are trying to parallel this example with paying for smores at the campfire, you are doing JUST THAT....paying for something that YOU are consuming, but who is paying for the event and the entertainment? When Disney is doing their budgeting for entertainment at resorts, the cost of staying at FW fluctuates based on the cost of this entertainment and the amenities offered AT FORT WILDERNESS for their paying guests. Simply put...FW Guests (who are paying to stay at that site) are paying for the campfire, the movie, the upkeep at pools and comf stations, etc, etc. Each resort is it's own profit center...each resort gets a budget to work with, makes it's own money from paying guests and then uses that money to pay it's own bills. The money leftover is profit that goes into the corporate collection plate.

If you are coming on-site (as a visitor) to go to a park, you are paying for the park and making use of what you paid for AT THAT PARK. Once you exit that park (and possibly using dis transportation to get to your car), you have then used-up what you paid for and it's time to make yourself scarce. I just can't believe how some people don't get this.

 

[OllieDannyandMe]

If you are coming on-site (as a visitor) to go to a park, you are paying for the park and making use of what you paid for AT THAT PARK. Once you exit that park (and possibly using dis transportation to get to your car), you have then used-up what you paid for and it's time to make yourself scarce. I just can't believe how some people don't get this.

Everyone gets what you are saying, including me. I "get" what you are saying, and I understand that's how you feel.

But I am looking at it from the perspective of a business owner, and for whatever reason, Disney is choosing to promote the Campfire Sing-A-Long as a free event. They even stipulate in their publicity that it is a free event for people NOT staying at Fort Wilderness. So while you may want outsiders to make themselves scarce, Disney does not.

Until I read this thread, I had never thought about the issue of security at the campsites. I have never stayed at the Fort, so I do not know much about that. It may be an important issue and worth taking up with Disney.

 

[dudelydude]

...Disney is choosing to promote the Campfire Sing-A-Long as a free event. They even stipulate in their publicity that it is a free event for people NOT staying at Fort Wilderness...

Well let's (once again) assume that you can produce official documentation from Disney that says what you claim above, this could mean that it is free for other paying guests that are staying on the property. The dollars and sense that I explained in my previous post allows for resort staying guests to go to other resorts to take advantage of their free amenities and vice versa...not Motel 6'ers comin' over to freeload when I pay $250 a night to stay on-site.

 

[rock_doctor]

Well it looks like i am totally wrong. You do not have to be staying on property to go to the sing along...

From the Disney website:

Our family loves Fort Wilderness and its campfire sing-a-long with Chip & Dale!

The good news for your crew is that you don't have to stay on property to attend, and best of all, it's FREE! The downside is that you'll need to park near the entrance to the campground at the Outpost and take an internal Fort bus to get there!

If you forget to bring your own marshmallows for the campfire, they have s'more kits on sale at the Canteen behind the bleachers! Say hello to Chip for me!

Wishing you a magical vacation!

http://disneyworldforum.disney.go.com/questions.aspx?sort=&page=1&where=search&qid=32993&pid=45&cid=70

Good for those who went with the unpopular side of the argument.

 

[dudelydude]

The Disney website is blocked at my office, so I can't open the link you posted, but if this is what I think it is, it's just a post from someone else who could be misinformed too. Look, if you have the proof, I will be the first person to stand up and say I was wrong. The building frustration in this thread is that people are using non-disny websites or unofficial thread posts as their evidence. But if you got the proof, I will tell you my biggest frustration is that I don't get exclusivity when paying so much to stay onsite. If I were staying offsite, I could guarantee that I would not go to the campfire out of respect for those that pay to stay.

 

[tim5055]

Well it looks like i am totally wrong. You do not have to be staying on property to go to the sing along...

[/I]
http://disneyworldforum.disney.go.com/questions.aspx?sort=&page=1&where=search&qid=32993&pid=45&cid=70

Good for those who went with the unpopular side of the argument.

You may not be.... For full disclosure I am on the "unpopular" side, but the quote posted is from the Disney Moms Panel Blog, not an official source. The disclaimer on the blog states:

Panelists have received/will receive a trip for panelist and up to three family members to the Walt Disney World Resort and/or park tickets for their participation on the Walt Disney World® Moms Panel. The views expressed in the Panel are those of the panelists, who are independent contractors. These views are not intended to reflect the opinions of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Online, its affiliates, its management, its agents or its employees and have not been reviewed or approved by Walt Disney Parks and Resorts Online prior to posting.

 

[imthatgirl]

Well it looks like i am totally wrong. You do not have to be staying on property to go to the sing along...

[/I]
http://disneyworldforum.disney.go.com/questions.aspx?sort=&page=1&where=search&qid=32993&pid=45&cid=70

Good for those who went with the unpopular side of the argument.

I don't think the Moms panel is any different then this site. It's just opinion. I wouldn't go there for ant official word. In fact after being on it a few times,I would sooner come here.

 

[dudelydude]

Thanks for the backup, Tim. I lost Frank, because I think he went insane trying to convince those on the unpopular side....

Ya know, official documentation by Disney that says that the campfire "may only be attended by resort guests" may very well exist, but as one of the PP's said, "Could you attend the campfire without being sent away....?" Sure, because CM's would never enforce the rule. But SHOULD you do it, knowing that you may be taking away a seat from a paying resort guest? No.

I'll stay tuned, but I too am worn down to keep fighting this fight without documentation.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

Well it looks like i am totally wrong. You do not have to be staying on property to go to the sing along...

[/I]
http://disneyworldforum.disney.go.com/questions.aspx?sort=&page=1&where=search&qid=32993&pid=45&cid=70

Good for those who went with the unpopular side of the argument.

No No,,you didn't loose me, but these people who just make stuff up do drive me nuts.
I had a lotta things to do today.

Oh, and that Moms Panel is bull,,that answer is simply one womans/bloggers belief,(,MUCH like the others on this thread),,she does not have or post anything , anywhere from Disney to back up her BELIEF
!

It's beyond me how people can think things are FREE,
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE !!!
EVERYTHING has to be paid for by someone, and it's NOT the guy who wanders onto property for the day from "LORD knows where, and buys a T-Shirt or a HOTDOG !!

 

[jlr9882]

1) OK, let's not argue.
2) You can visit any resort at WDW and walk around.

3) As for the Campfire, as an employee, I have not
. . . had to throw people out
. . . had to ask for resort ID's or park tickets
4) I myself
. . . live nearby
. . . visit HDDR annually with the family
. . . go to the Campfire afterward

I am not one to argue and fight. All I did was ask a question to find out an answer, so I could know if we could go or not. At first only 2 people had replied to it with different opinions, then it all became a fight. No one here has showed any official site from Disney on either side of the argument. This employee did say all he had to ask for was resort ID's or park tickets at the campfire. In my last post, I did say I was staying on Disney property now so I will have both resort ID and park tickets.

 

[OllieDannyandMe]

Well let's (once again) assume that you can produce official documentation from Disney that says what you claim above, this could mean that it is free for other paying guests that are staying on the property. The dollars and sense that I explained in my previous post allows for resort staying guests to go to other resorts to take advantage of their free amenities and vice versa...not Motel 6'ers comin' over to freeload when I pay $250 a night to stay on-site.

At the bottom of page two on this thread, I did produce official documentation from Disney.

http://wdwnews.com/releases/2007/05...-funfor-everyone-at-walt-disney-world-resort/

If you scroll half way down the page, you will find these words:

Other resort highlights include:

•Guests can roast marshmallows with Disney characters during Chip ‘N Dale’s Campfire Sing-A-Long, a nightly event that culminates with a classic Disney movie in a theater under the stars. This free event, which features a 30-minute fire lighting ceremony, rousing group renditions of favorite camp songs and appearances by Chip and Dale, is open to all Walt Disney World guests, not just those staying at Fort Wilderness.​

 

[dudelydude]

1) OK, let's not argue.
2) You can visit any resort at WDW and walk around.

3) As for the Campfire, as an employee, I have not
. . . had to throw people out
. . . had to ask for resort ID's or park tickets
4) I myself
. . . live nearby
. . . visit HDDR annually with the family
. . . go to the Campfire afterward

O.P. - you just quoted this CM who said that they have "not had to throw people out" nor have they "had to ask for I.D. or park tickets." Now re-read it. This C.M. is clearly vague....he / she did not say that there was a clear, written rule by Disney that says C.M.'s have to ask non-resort guests to leave, nor does this person state that there is no documented rule that says the campfire is open to any bum off the street. I am sure that C.M.'s bend the rules if the campfire isn't jam-packed.

Again, it's another case of someone quoting someone who does not have solid proof. And even if WE cannot come up with documentation for our side, our side gets the benefit of the doubt because the money that we pay for our cabin / campground AT FW pays for the campfire.

Btw-good for you that you moved your vacation onsite.

 

[Born 2 Fish]

Guests are people who STAY,
example : if you spend the weekend at my house,, you are a guest.

Visitors are people who drop by/stop by/wander by for a short stay.
example : if you come by my house for a game of chess, you are a visitor.

What is so freakn hard to understand bout that ??

I learned that in school.

If there is no difference why are there two separate words ?

 

[Born 2 Fish]

At the bottom of page two on this thread, I did produce official documentation from Disney.

http://wdwnews.com/releases/2007/05...-funfor-everyone-at-walt-disney-world-resort/

If you scroll half way down the page, you will find these words:

Other resort highlights include:

•Guests can roast marshmallows with Disney characters during Chip ‘N Dale’s Campfire Sing-A-Long, a nightly event that culminates with a classic Disney movie in a theater under the stars. This free event, which features a 30-minute fire lighting ceremony, rousing group renditions of favorite camp songs and appearances by Chip and Dale, is open to all Walt Disney World guests, not just those staying at Fort Wilderness.​

Again,,GUESTS,,not visitors,, GUESTS.

When the circus usta come to town , they would advertise, "Welcome one and all and fun for everyone"! That did not mean you didn't have to pay to get in to see the show, IT WASN'T FREE !! YOU HAD TO PAY ! But from the logic that some of you have, that would have been been FREE TOO !! BUT IT WASN'T !

 

[jlr9882]

I will admit that I did read that the wrong way. I read it as they haven't had to kick someone out, but did have to a ask for resort ID or tickets.

 

[dudelydude]

I will admit that I did read that the wrong way. I read it as they haven't had to kick someone out, but did have to a ask for resort ID or tickets.

Meh...it doesn't really matter. I just wish that the CM that bothered to chime-in with their ambiguous response would give us the "documented facts." We aren't getting anywhere with rumor, conjecture, speculation, etc, etc. The statement, "....they haven't had to kick someone out, but did have to a ask for resort ID or tickets," actually supports both of our claims. The CM had to check something (which means that there is some kind of restriction), but includes park tickets in his statement (which MAY mean that off-site park guests can go to the campfire).