chicken pox at disneyland...

[bumbershoot]

Sorry if this is a dumb question...but how was your oldest injured by a vaccine?

Just in case you were asking in a general sense as well as a specific one, you might want to read this page.

Basically, a percentage of the amount charged for each vaccine goes to a fund that helps children injured (and even killed) by vaccines. Whenever someone has a reaction to a vaccine it is supposed to be reported to a central agency; this includes a fever, high pitched crying, and far worse. In my time since I realized that I don't support vaccines, I've read and heard time after time that doctors poo-poo reactions, saying that a fever was caused by an illness they must have already had, that the crying was just b/c it hurt, and so on and so forth. They do NOT like reporting it.

Sadly, the reports should go to ACCURATE information and knowledge of the problems with vaccines. It would be like if there was a problem with the Disneyland Hotel that kept happening, but the people you complained to never passed along the bad reports. The management wouldn't know what was happening, and would think they were 100% perfect. So there's incomplete and inaccurate info about the safety of vaccines, b/c MDs are so adverse to reporting adverse events post-vaccination.



The South Park chicken pox episode has ruined me forever for sending DS to a CP party, but man oh man do I wish he'd just get it already so I don't have to think about it anymore. Wish we had been at Disneyland during the same time frame. My favorite scar is from chicken pox; it's right in my eyebrow and it looks really cool.

 

[Mugglemama]

Just in case you were asking in a general sense as well as a specific one, you might want to read this page.

Basically, a percentage of the amount charged for each vaccine goes to a fund that helps children injured (and even killed) by vaccines. Whenever someone has a reaction to a vaccine it is supposed to be reported to a central agency; this includes a fever, high pitched crying, and far worse. In my time since I realized that I don't support vaccines, I've read and heard time after time that doctors poo-poo reactions, saying that a fever was caused by an illness they must have already had, that the crying was just b/c it hurt, and so on and so forth. They do NOT like reporting it.

Sadly, the reports should go to ACCURATE information and knowledge of the problems with vaccines. It would be like if there was a problem with the Disneyland Hotel that kept happening, but the people you complained to never passed along the bad reports. The management wouldn't know what was happening, and would think they were 100% perfect. So there's incomplete and inaccurate info about the safety of vaccines, b/c MDs are so adverse to reporting adverse events post-vaccination.


The South Park chicken pox episode has ruined me forever for sending DS to a CP party, but man oh man do I wish he'd just get it already so I don't have to think about it anymore. Wish we had been at Disneyland during the same time frame. My favorite scar is from chicken pox; it's right in my eyebrow and it looks really cool.

and what's SO difficult is just getting a rational answer, one way or the other, you know? natural parenting literature tries to convince you your kids will die WITH the shots, and physicians try to convince you that they'll die WITHOUT them. there's no middle ground of reason. it's just extreme views either way. at least, that has been our experience. it makes it very difficult to make a decision.

i was getting a little antsy waiting around for my 10.5 year old son to get chicken pox, too, because of course i wanted him to get it before puberty. if he hadn't, i probably would have decided to get him the vaccination at that point. ugh. too many tough decisions!

we actually DID one of those cp parties, lol (when my daughter caught chicken pox from disneyland in '97). but it was just my roommates son and the little boy next door. my roommates son got the pox, the neighbor boy didn't. his mom forgot that he'd already had the vaccine. i don't think i'd "attend" one myself, but i didn't have a problem with them exposing their kids to my daughter when she had it.

i will definitely be glad to have it all done, over with, and behind us!

 

[DangerMouse]

Muggle and Bumber - I share your sentiments/beliefs about immunizations. All 3 of my kids had CP over Christmas holiday in 2005, one right after another. My oldest was the only child who had received immunizations (including the first Chicken Pox vaccine), and she ended up with a worse case than my son, who has had no immunizations. My oldest is also the sickliest of my 3 kids and tends to hold on to illnesses longer than my younger two.

I'm glad I have a good friend who turned me onto doing immunization research myself soon before my second child was born.

To the OP, it was my experience that the first case is the easiest, and each subsequent child and case gets worse. My poor youngest had it so bad she ended up getting Ramsay Hunt Syndrome (facial paralysis) immediately afterward and that still has not completely gone away. I hope your kids all have mild cases and you are able to help them stay comfortable.

 

[scooter15]

I caught the chicken pox just sitting next to someone at an air show my last year of college. That person was my brother who broke out in blisters 2 days later. He had no idea he was exposed to it prior to the air show.

All my kids have the vaccine when they hit 2 years old. My husband has had the chicken pox 3 times because apparently he has not built up immunity to it. Each time it gets worse and he hasn't gotten the shingles yet.

 

[Canyon girl]

The problem with vaccines (both of mine are vaccinated) is that most parents have a false sense of security. A lot of parents think that vaccine equals not getting the disease. This is not true! Not everyone who gets a vaccine will develop immunity. Also, I would think that another easy to catch disease would be hand, foot, and mouth disease (another blister problem). Of course, handwashing and keeping hands out of mouth would eliminate this. Hope this ends quickly for you, Muggle!!!

 

[merrrydeath]

I gosh I would be so scared of this. I'm 20 and have never had chicken pox. I got the vaccine when I was 11 but like others have said, it's not foolproof so I have lived in fear of getting the dreaded adult chicken pox. I can only imagine how stinky getting the chicken pox at Disneyland would be. How unmagical.

 

[tink2dw]

My concern would be that one of those Un-vaccinate CM's would be spreading diseases, Chicken pox, whooping cough, Polio, measles, German measles, mumps, diphtheria, typhoid, Smallpox, lock-jaw and Tuberculosis (TB), or Meningitis.

Look Under illnesses, Facts for Parents

http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/fam_main.html?http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/safety_parent.html

It would Not be then the place Walt wanted to take his daughters.

Polio alone was so bad in the '50's whole towns had to line up and take a little cup of polio vaccine. Parents prayed it would save their children's legs from the crippling disease. And small pox killed children. Whooping Cough killed tiny babies.

I had German Measles from being in the hospital with a shared bathroom. My brother and I swapped the mumps at least once if not twice a school year.

Everyone feared TB, it took Mothers, Fathers, kids away to the feared sanatoriums in Arizona or Colorado. Children were scolded to ALWAYS wear shoes so you did not step on anything that would give you Lock-Jaw because it would kill you!!

In my childhood just 51 years a go these diseases were truly DEADLY!!!!

Only vaccinations for every child And all adults was what arradicated these deadly diseases, whooping cough, Polio, measles, German measles, mumps, diphtheria, typhoid, Smallpox, lock-jaw and Tuberculosis (TB), or Meningitis.

 

[JaneJetson]

My concern would be that one of those Un-vaccinate CM's would be spreading diseases, Chicken pox, whooping cough, Polio, measles, German measles, mumps, diphtheria, typhoid, Smallpox, lock-jaw and Tuberculosis (TB), or Meningitis.

Look Under illnesses, Facts for Parents


It would Not be then the place Walt wanted to take his daughters.

Polio alone was so bad in the '50's whole towns had to line up and take a little cup of polio vaccine. Parents prayed it would save their children's legs from the crippling disease. And small pox killed children. Whooping Cough killed tiny babies.

I had German Measles from being in the hospital with a shared bathroom. My brother and I swapped the mumps at least once if not twice a school year.

Everyone feared TB, it took Mothers, Fathers, kids away to the feared sanatoriums in Arizona or Colorado. Children were scolded to ALWAYS wear shoes so you did not step on anything that would give you Lock-Jaw because it would kill you!!

In my childhood just 51 years a go these diseases were truly DEADLY!!!!

Only vaccinations for every child And all adults was what arradicated these deadly diseases, whooping cough, Polio, measles, German measles, mumps, diphtheria, typhoid, Smallpox, lock-jaw and Tuberculosis (TB), or Meningitis.

I will definitely be vaccinating all of my children (when I have them.) Sure, there are risks. But I think there are greater risks with NOT vaccinating.

Every single person I know has been vaccinated with no adverse effects. I'm not saying things can't happen. But I think the odds are pretty good.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

i dont think my ds has them but he did get sick there he seems better but grandma here says he still sounded sick yesterday

 

[YellowMickeyPonchos]

It's a common misperception that having the vaccine to chicken pox makes you completely immune. It doesn't. That's why people can contract them multiple times and even have shingles (which is the pretty much the same as chicken pox - not a completely different strain of virus.)

Keep in mind that just as there are hundreds of variations on flu viruses, there are a handful of variations on the chicken pox. (This is not true of other diseases that have vaccines.)

I'm a firm believer of exposing your kids to others with chicken pox, even though they've had the vaccine. Like the PP said - boosts your immune system further. It's better for them to contract it as kids than have us contract it as adults.

Please don't feel Disneyland is a hotbed of chicken pox disease carriers - all it takes is one kid in any location (even a trip to the local grocery) - who the parents may not have known was contagious.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

i vacine some but i read alot about others. MY ex's family and me talked alot about it and some of those kids aren't. I have got some even tho i didnt want to but hes past the age of the bad shot now. so the ones he didnt have have a diffrent ingredint in them so i can now get it. (i had all the stuff printed up and read it all excpicaly the mercury ones.)

I am sorry your child got sick hope you can deal with all three with them.

 

[EmmersIsTheMommy]

DH never got chickenpox and we vaccinated (even tho I'm sure he's just naturally immune) a year ago when we got DD vaccinated against it.

What a PP said is true. It doesn't guarantee you won't get it, it can help your reactions be less severe. If you get CP as an adult it can be life threatening, so we opted DEFINITELY to get the vaccine for DH. Same with the flu shot. Sure you can run out and get it. It's not gonna guarantee you won't get the flu. In fact, a lot of people still DO get the flu and either don't know it, or dismiss it as a cold. (I don't get the flu vaccine)

Anyway, my kids are both vax'd so I'm hoping that they have the immunity to stave off DISNEYLANDPOX!!!

 

[Mugglemama]

sorry, i didn't mean to imply that i thought that DL was full of chicken pox, lol. i actually thought it was almost comical that both of my children seemed to have contracted their chicken pox there, 11 years apart.

TINK2DW - i agree wholeheartedly that vaccines have saved many lives. and i believe wholeheartedly that when they first began becoming available, they were desperately needed. but do you know that the last case of polio that has occurred in our country that WASN'T caused BY the vaccine, occurred more than 30 years ago?

when my third child was born, she was our first that we were not immunizing. there was a new vaccine out for, of all things, the virus that causes diarhea (sp? sorry). the pediatrician we took her to (a new one for us at the time) was so infuriated that we would not let her get the vaccine, that she called us at home, left horrible inappropriate messages on our machine, and then told us we could no longer bring our daughter in as a patient. this was in manhatten beach, california. recently, that vaccine was pulled because it was proven to be dangerous and harmful.

vaccines are a multibillion dollar a year industry. money makes the world go 'round...even if it puts innocent children at risk. vaccines are not tested on children before they are administered in huge numbers to see if they are safe. actually, this IS the testing phase.....they are testing them on our children, without telling us. our babies end up being the guinnea pigs. sorry, don't mean to get on my soapbox about this issue, but until you've had a child injured by a vaccine, as i have, and until you have read every study, report, and bit of literature that you can find on the matter, like i have, you may not know all you should about childhood vaccines before opinionating about those who do not vaccinate.

 

[EmmersIsTheMommy]

haha You mean comical in a not so comical way

I'd heard about the diarrhea vax, but i didn't know it was pulled!

I understand muggle. It's sorta like some of my soapbox issues..people think I'm overly anal but after hemorrhaging with no 'reason' there's no way I'd ever consider homebirth.

 

[Mugglemama]

haha You mean comical in a not so comical way

I'd heard about the diarrhea vax, but i didn't know it was pulled!

I understand muggle. It's sorta like some of my soapbox issues..people think I'm overly anal but after hemorrhaging with no 'reason' there's no way I'd ever consider homebirth.

yes EMMERS, exactly! it's comical in that, DL has given us so many family memories, that chicken pox will forever be associated with the parks for us now, as well, lol. fortunately, so far, my son's case seems mild. he has over 100 pox, but he doesn't feel unwell, and he isn't very itchy. a couple of the pox seem painful to him, but those are the ones with the blisters that haven't broken yet.

i'm mostly concerned about my 7 year old getting them. i've read that cases contracted from people in the same house tend to be more severe, as someone else here mentioned, with each consecutive case. my 7 year old used to suffer terribly from head to toe severe eczema. and although she's been cleared up (except for a random and mild patch on her arms now and then), i've read that chicken pox can be worse for kids who have suffered from eczema? so considering she wasn't the first in the house to come down with them, and that she's also had eczema, i'm a little anxious about how severe her case will be. if she does, in fact, come down with them (which i imagine she will).

at least after this is all over, we won't have to ever think about contracting chicken pox at DL again, lol! (at least, i hope not).

 

[JaneJetson]

haha You mean comical in a not so comical way

I'd heard about the diarrhea vax, but i didn't know it was pulled!

I understand muggle. It's sorta like some of my soapbox issues..people think I'm overly anal but after hemorrhaging with no 'reason' there's no way I'd ever consider homebirth.

i'll never understand homebirths.

 

[EmmersIsTheMommy]

yes EMMERS, exactly! it's comical in that, DL has given us so many family memories, that chicken pox will forever be associated with the parks for us now, as well, lol. fortunately, so far, my son's case seems mild. he has over 100 pox, but he doesn't feel unwell, and he isn't very itchy. a couple of the pox seem painful to him, but those are the ones with the blisters that haven't broken yet.

i'm mostly concerned about my 7 year old getting them. i've read that cases contracted from people in the same house tend to be more severe, as someone else here mentioned, with each consecutive case. my 7 year old used to suffer terribly from head to toe severe eczema. and although she's been cleared up (except for a random and mild patch on her arms now and then), i've read that chicken pox can be worse for kids who have suffered from eczema? so considering she wasn't the first in the house to come down with them, and that she's also had eczema, i'm a little anxious about how severe her case will be. if she does, in fact, come down with them (which i imagine she will).

at least after this is all over, we won't have to ever think about contracting chicken pox at DL again, lol! (at least, i hope not).

haha you hope!! Maybe this is where people should hold CP parties LOL

BTW, a tip I learned that works great for CP as well as eczema (I'm sure you know it) but for the oatmeal baths, if you put oatmeal in a cut off pair of pantyhose and tie the top in a knot, it'll save your drain

May your 7 year old's case be light!

 

[EmmersIsTheMommy]

i'll never understand homebirths.

Me neither *sigh* Allz I can say is it's a good thing I was at the hossy when I had both kids!

 

[Brina78]

I'm a firm believer of exposing your kids to others with chicken pox, even though they've had the vaccine. Like the PP said - boosts your immune system further. It's better for them to contract it as kids than have us contract it as adults.

That is exactly how my mom looked at it when my sister and I got it! Yes, she was thrilled, well, not that we were sick, that we caught it at an early age than our adult years. I was in the second grade and my sister in the fourth. It does boost your immune system once your body recognizes it. I've never had Chicken Pox again afterward, although, in some rare cases it can return.

 

[evilprncess96]

I have always found the vaccination issue amazing. I have no issues with people deciding not to vaccinate. My only issue is when people don't take steps to make sure that their unvaccinated childen are safe. We had an issue with a famiy friend that had no vaccinations for her children and then when health warnings were issued for our area for measles and whooping cough she still took her kids to high risk areas such as parks etc. That is where I get frustrated. Don't add an extra risk for your children. As for the home birth... Not for me. My baby sister had a home birth and no pain meds what so ever. Could not believe it. An hour after giving birth she asked for children's tylenol because she had a headache. That is one strong woman. I looked in amazement that we could be related.