Checked out early - Parks too crowded.

I'm curious as to how Touring Plans, EasyWDW etc create their forecasts. At least 4 weeks ago, there were no resort rooms available for our stay (at all.) I knew at that point that it was going to be crowded. Kept looking at the crowd calendars and they were saying 6,7,8 (Depending on the day). How did the crowd calendars miss it as much as they did?
Touring Plans tells you the info they use to build their predictors and then they come back later and update with actuals. They also tell how they do that

Josh talks about it here and there. Both of them get real time wait data from Disney that they use

Also, on site bookings really don't equal crowded parks, necessarily. You can have a lot of availability and still have 10's in the parks.
 
We go off-site when it feels too crowded. Big crowds get on my nerves after a while and there is plenty to do in the area so we just find something else to do.
 
If you don't like the crowds during spring break, you'll absolutely despise the crowds my favorite time of year: between Christmas and New Year's. Yes, I'm a bit of a glutton for punishment, it's how I am. I just know crowds during that time of year are going to be completely insane, so I have to pack a fair amount extra patience into my trip.

Knowing there's going to be a sea of people helps me manage my expectations.
 
We've left parks because of the crowds, but not left vacation early. That said, we were always a flight away. We didn't have FL resident passes..which, I would tend to think means you're within driving distance (even a couple of hours is driving distance). If we had FL resident passes and didn't live all that far, AND the parks were crazy crazy crowded, then I might consider leaving early as you did. Having the FL resident pass, there's an opportunity to return before they expire if you'd like to. That's not an option we've ever had. I can definitely understand exercising that option.
 

One thing for sure, the spring break phenomena is growing. It almost seems like March and April have become the new summer. We go to Disney once a year. From 2011 to 2016, we have gone in October, December, April, August, and twice in July. Hands down, April was our busiest trip, and we were not even there near Easter. Everyone has their personal level of tolerance, there's nothing wrong with calling it a day if you are miserable. Personally, it would take something pretty bad to force me to pack my bags early; like a tornado blowing my resort away.:rotfl:
 
To the OP, good for you for leaving when you were fed up! Sure, sure, you could leave the park and go back to your resort to relax by the pool (IF it's warm and you're lucky enough to snag chairs at the CROWDED pool) or take a bus in order to walk around the high-end mall (excuse me, Disney Springs). You could explore other resorts; take the bus to another park and hope you get lucky on the SB wait times at that one. As others have said, expect the crowds. That said, if you're not enjoying the vacation due to the long waits, dirty restrooms, etc. let Disney know and don't go back. If your expectations haven't been met, Disney doesn't deserve your hard-earned dollars.
 
[QUOTE="Also, on site bookings really don't equal crowded parks, necessarily. You can have a lot of availability and still have 10's in the parks.[/QUOTE]

I disagree. No availability will indeed = crowded parks. Is is possible that the parks will be crowded and still have availability? Sure. But no availability will always = crowded parks.
 
To the OP, good for you for leaving when you were fed up! Sure, sure, you could leave the park and go back to your resort to relax by the pool (IF it's warm and you're lucky enough to snag chairs at the CROWDED pool) or take a bus in order to walk around the high-end mall (excuse me, Disney Springs). You could explore other resorts; take the bus to another park and hope you get lucky on the SB wait times at that one. As others have said, expect the crowds. That said, if you're not enjoying the vacation due to the long waits, dirty restrooms, etc. let Disney know and don't go back. If your expectations haven't been met, Disney doesn't deserve your hard-earned dollars.

How does the parks being busy equal Disney not deserving your money? That is not Disney doing something wrong, which is what you seem to be implying. I always dismiss the whole "dirty bathroom" thing because posters on the same trip can have the opposite experience. Did you walk in right before a CM was sent to clean or right after? Honestly I hold park goers more accountable. There should be no need for them being cleaned constantly if people didn't behave worse than pigs in the bathrooms.

If the OP can only go to the parks during busy times of the year, then if they want to go they need to work with it. Hit the parks at rope drop. Book their FPs for later in the day when the lines do get long.

And for the record I have been to the parks over Spring Break and the 4th of July. Spring Break has nothing on the July 4 Holiday in the parks. But then, I managed my expectations. Hit the park at open. As I didn't want to leave as I was afraid we couldn't get back in we had 2 sit down meals booked. When the lines became too long for us we hopped on the train. Did some shopping. Did the shows that hold a lot of people and are not hugely popular like Country Bears and the Hall of Presidents.
 
I've been reading all kinds of terrible crowded park and cold evening weather trip reports, so my expectations make me want to stay home and throw up at the same time, but alas... Money is spent and "have to" go... I'm thinking my expectations are that trip will be absolutely miserable (3 kids in tow, 1 pre-teen, 1 with a full arm cast and 1 cranky teething toddler). WTH was I thinking :crazy2:

On our way now.

Sorry OP that your trip was less than magical :sad1:

The parks are always crowded during Spring Break, and for the other school holidays. They just are, some years more and some years less than "normal" but crowded just the same. WIth that said, if you go in expecting to be miserable, bank on it that you will fulfill that expectation.

If you plan well and still find that your family does not do well in the parks then make a move. GO back tot eh resort and use the amenities offered. If the resort you are staying at does not have enough to do, head for a different one. Fort Wilderness is a gem for children who need to run and play.

Do your homework now so if your kids need to leave the parks yiu have a backup plan. There are movies in the evening, FW has the Campfire and smores roast, wagon rides. Your resort has a pool, if it is warm enough. We used to take our DGD on Hidden Mickey scavenger hunts all over WDW, and that kept her and my DSIL occupied for hours.

I am not saying you are wrong to be concerned, but I will say that you can make or break your trip with your attitude, so I would do a little research now before I got overwhelmed.

I agree that I don't want to wait standby for more than 30 minutes. Unfortunately, using that rule when we were there this week (Monday through last night) meant that we could not ride anything in any park at most points during the day and evening. EVERYTHING was greater than 30 minutes. As I said, rides like Spaceship Earth were 60+minutes! Magic Carpets was 50-60 minutes! There was nothing to ride at under 30 minutes.

In looking at your signature, you have taken 6 trips in a 12 month period from July 2015-July 2016. That is fantastic, and most of us are drooling with envy! However, I'd say most of the people complaining about the crowds and Disney's lack of response to the crowds, including me, are people who take 1 trip every year or every other year. We don't have another trip coming up in a few months to "make up" for a really crowded and unpleasant trip. We don't want to just do the resorts and DS when the parks are crowded because this is our chance to do the parks. We won't be back for 2 years. So I think you have a different perspective from me (and maybe some other posters) since you go more often. Not to say your opinion is wrong, but just to say that perhaps looking at it from the perspective of someone who is on the only Disney trip they will be taking for the next 2 years, might help you understand their opinion. I will be one of those people "not in the park" for a while, after my experience this week.

And unlike the weather in Alaska in January which can't be controlled, Disney CAN (and should) do something about crowd management. They can have more CMs, more buses, more options for dining/tables at QS, more people cleaning bathrooms and more bathrooms in general, re-hire some of the street entertainment that they let go in recent years, add more rides/attractions at better than a snail's pace, limit park capacity (I know they won't do this until it is at the extreme, as it cuts into profit). They could open all the ticket windows, open all the park entry lines, open all the bag check lines. I saw none of this happening while I was there. If Disney won't respond to high crowds, then I will have to take a break from Disney because it is not enjoyable to me. If I felt Disney was doing all they could do, I would not be upset. But I don't feel that they were.

I get it becuase we cannot visit as often as Klayfish, but I think that when you travel at busy times you need to be prepared for the worst. If you cannot accept that people are a bit unpredictable and that np matter where you go you will encounter everyone who thinks the way you do, you probably need to revisit your plans to hit a theme park during one of the most traveled times of year. My DH is a DIsney Vet and had complained that DD took DGD out of school fr Disney. "We should go during Christmas" I know him. He means well. He will not do crowds of that size, so no....we are not going during CHriustmas break. We have been stuck with summmer, becuase no more getting out of school for DGD, but it is what it is. DIffernt plan, but same research.

I will agree that Disney's cast member cuts are biting guests in the nose though. They really do need to ensure that there ar enought people at gates, adn on staff to assist in crowd management.
 
I would not leave vacation early due to crowds. Now I would leave the parks early though and maybe come back at late night. Now that we've been so many times I don't normally stay more than three hours at any park. Then maybe jump to SeaWorld and catch a show or two and ride Manta. If the parks are crazy busy go at rope drop then leave and do something else like shopping or going to the beach.

We did cut our honeymoon a couple days short when I came down with a horrific stomach bug. Then last year when my Dad passed away while I was in Orlando I left a couple days early.
 
Agree with everyone who wouldn't leave a vacation early. I loooooove being on vacation, even if it just hanging at the pool. However, I will say we are not doing WDW this year bc our spring break coincides with Easter. I've done that one and once was enough. We are going on a fun beach vacation to St Petersburg instead and doing some day trips. I'm kind of sad we won't be at WDW, but I'm ok missing the crazy crowds. Although it IS always crowded now, even "low" crowd is still significantly more crowded than any of the trips I took as a kid in the 80s and 90s.
 
We would definitely leave the parks if they were so crowded that we were miserable. We don't really have the option to leave our vacation all together...flight change penalties, rearranging airport pickups, etc. but I don't think we would anyway. We would try to make the best of it and find other things to do since leaving just isn't really an option. If we were driving and that unhappy, I could see us cutting our losses but we would have to be pretty darned unhappy to leave our vacation.
 
We are Canadian and went this past week last year. One thing that's not discussed much is that this is the Canadian "March Break." Literally almost the entire country of Canada has 1 week of holidays at the exact same time. And A LOT of Canadians go to Florida on March Break. I haven't seen very many U.S. crowd calendars take into account the 'Canadian Factor.' It certainly lends a lot more crowds than if just a few U.S. states have their Spring Break at once.

When we went last year, they said that MK was at a '10' every single day of the Canadian March Break. We barely survived a day at MK, even with Rope Dropping, fast pass+ and following our 'Unofficial Guide' touring plan to a tee. Most of the day, we couldn't even walk from ride to ride in less than 30 minutes. It was THAT crowded. So we totally understand why you left. We spent only 3 days at the parks, and took the rest of the trip just relaxing by the pool, going to the beach, and doing things away from Disney.

If you are from the U.S. or Florida, I would recommend finding out when the Canadian March Break is, and NOT GOING THAT WEEK.
Maybe crowd predictors need to take this into account more?
 
I could understand a post from a WDW newbie who might have really had no idea what they might have been walking into, but to me this thread coming from frequent visitors and AP holders equates to someone complaining that water is wet.
 
I could understand a post from a WDW newbie who might have really had no idea what they might have been walking into, but to me this thread coming from frequent visitors and AP holders equates to someone complaining that water is wet.

I think people expected crowds, but from what I am hearing the crowds are much bigger than years past. You go in expecting say, 60-90 minute waits, and you are encountering 120-150 min waits. I think a lot has to do with the chilly weather. People are not using the pools, the water parks are closed, nobody wanted to go to the beach etc. So all those folks went to Disney. These are things the crowd calendars have no way of predicting.
 
From reading around in these threads, it almost seems that anytime of year is crowded. I would never cut my vacation short unless there was an emergency of some kind. I think if you go with the expectation that it will be crowded, you just plan your days with some priorities in mind, do those, switch parks...go back to the resort...take in a show...there are just so many options. I like to sit and people watch while enjoying a favorite treat. I believe you can make your own fun depending on how you look at things. If you choose to have a miserable time, you will. I'm going this summer, never been in the summer. I know it's hot and I'm not fond of the heat...but I know I'll still have a wonderful time because I bring my positive attitude with me. If you do this, you will have fun! :disrocks:
 
As I said before, I go spring break every year and am well prepared with crowd managing strategies. Never saw anything like this. Waited in line for C of P and every seat in the theatre taken. Same for American Experience in Epcot... and that theatre is huge.... every single seat taken. Waited in a line to get into the bathrooms in the parks 90% of the time. And yes, they were by and large not only consistently dirty but out of paper towels and tissue.

Now, I have never gone... by choice... over the Christmas holidays or the 4th of July. And Spring break is usually crowded. But this was something I've never seen before. Definitely the weather didn't help.
 
As others have said, there are very few truly uncrowded times at Disney World any more, and the times that have always been crowded are just getting more so. There is no "perfect" time to visit, it's always a trade-off between lower crowds or better weather.

Our school breaks are always the weeks that are most crowded (Presidents Week, Easter Week, and the week between Christmas & New Year) so our last two trips we've chosen to go in September & August. The crowds (and prices) are lower but it's extremely hot & humid, and it rains a lot. It's a trade off. On our last trip two years ago the rain really affected some of our touring. (For example, we missed out on most of AK because it poured rain from noon until dinner time that day. We tried to wait it out for an hour or so but then just decided to leave.) We're going the last week of August this year and I'm trying to learn from past experience and make smarter touring plans, i.e hitting any outdoor attractions and must do's in the morning and planning on shows and other indoor attractions for the afternoon when it might be raining. Whatever the situation will be on your trip, whether that's insane crowds or poor weather, you just have to do your best to be prepared for it and have a good time regardless of any set backs.
 
I agree that I don't want to wait standby for more than 30 minutes. Unfortunately, using that rule when we were there this week (Monday through last night) meant that we could not ride anything in any park at most points during the day and evening. EVERYTHING was greater than 30 minutes. As I said, rides like Spaceship Earth were 60+minutes! Magic Carpets was 50-60 minutes! There was nothing to ride at under 30 minutes.

In looking at your signature, you have taken 6 trips in a 12 month period from July 2015-July 2016. That is fantastic, and most of us are drooling with envy! However, I'd say most of the people complaining about the crowds and Disney's lack of response to the crowds, including me, are people who take 1 trip every year or every other year. We don't have another trip coming up in a few months to "make up" for a really crowded and unpleasant trip. We don't want to just do the resorts and DS when the parks are crowded because this is our chance to do the parks. We won't be back for 2 years. So I think you have a different perspective from me (and maybe some other posters) since you go more often. Not to say your opinion is wrong, but just to say that perhaps looking at it from the perspective of someone who is on the only Disney trip they will be taking for the next 2 years, might help you understand their opinion. I will be one of those people "not in the park" for a while, after my experience this week.

And unlike the weather in Alaska in January which can't be controlled, Disney CAN (and should) do something about crowd management. They can have more CMs, more buses, more options for dining/tables at QS, more people cleaning bathrooms and more bathrooms in general, re-hire some of the street entertainment that they let go in recent years, add more rides/attractions at better than a snail's pace, limit park capacity (I know they won't do this until it is at the extreme, as it cuts into profit). They could open all the ticket windows, open all the park entry lines, open all the bag check lines. I saw none of this happening while I was there. If Disney won't respond to high crowds, then I will have to take a break from Disney because it is not enjoyable to me. If I felt Disney was doing all they could do, I would not be upset. But I don't feel that they were.

You're right, we've had great fortune in being able to visit a lot since 2015, and we'll be doing it again in 2017-2018. However, until then, we lived in PA. We only got to visit every 2 or 3 years because we had to fly down. For a family of 5, that's not cheap. So I 100% understand from the perspective of someone who doesn't get to go but once every few years. Most of those trips we took when we lived in PA were during 4th of July week, as that's what worked best for our schedule, so we're veterans of only going once in a while...and on one of the busiest weeks of the year.

I understand the frustration, I really do. But I just can't sympathize with it. As I said, outside of things like Grand Central Station, it's the most visited tourist attraction in the United States. With that in mind, it's always going to be busy. If you chose not to return because of how busy it was, fine, that's up to you. Perhaps you were expecting something that was unrealistic before you walked in the door.

And what exactly would you want WDW to do about it? Yes, I'm being a Disney "apologist" here, but think about it. So what difference would more CMs and buses really make? There are only so many rides and they only have a certain capacity per hour to accommodate guests. So instead of 4 CMs standing at the queue to tell you the wait is 60 minutes, would having 8 of them make a difference? The lines won't be shorter, the rides can only go so fast. As for building more restaurants, bathrooms (of which I think they already have a lot), etc...from a business owner perspective, that probably won't make a ton of sense. Do I think they can add a few more things (I don't eat in their restaurants, so I don't really care, but I get it...we sit in QS places to eat our lunches)? Sure, a few more wouldn't hurt. But adding enough to easily accommodate Spring Break, 4th of July or Xmas week without guests having to wait would be a massive undertaking. And the other 45 weeks of the year that aren't as nuts as those busiest weeks, those places would be half empty. Probably not want WDW wants. Lower the number of guests they allow in the parks? Oh goodness, imagine the uproar if they did that!!!! It would make this debate seem miniscule. That's not an option. While I have no evidence either way, as I don't work there, I doubt that WDW just sits on their hands and does nothing about being busy. In fact, I would argue they do everything in their capacity to make it better for their guests. We have a family friend who has been a CM for 6 or 7 years, and she says they do a lot to try to accommodate guests.

Sorry, while I do completely understand it's frustrating to have the park be so crowded, I can't get mad about it, blame WDW or say I won't come back. If you want to, that's up to you.
 



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