Cheating At CCSU, Interesting law suit.

[DawnCt1]

In describing/recommending the college, she was mentioning particular aspect that they share with the college your husband went to, and comparing how the colleges deal with it.





Recently on another board, an exaggerated claim was made that, if toned down a few notches, has always rung true for me as the older sister of 3 brothers, and that is that our culture tends to treat males as "subhuman".

I always found that to be true in school, where girls were held up to the class as examples when they were smart, but a boy answering a question was just "normal". Eventually I stopped noticing the boys answering questions at all. And gosh if a boy answered before being called on, oh the trouble, compared to if a girl answered without being called on.

Because I noticed this kind of stuff, I can definitely believe that this college professor could very well have gone into the situation believing the female and not believing the male. Especially if he felt that the male was subpar in his work, which of course turning in an important paper with typos and errors "proves".

Then again, if I were a prof I wouldn't have an unsecured mailbox, (hope not at least) and I would pay attention to who sent the email with the paper in it first! Since it sounds like the male sent it first, that would kinda add to the idea that he did it first.


Now wait...if no one believes that people put papers into the inbox, then HOW exactly was the guy supposed to have cheated? To cheat like that, wouldn't it require that the other student allowed him to cheat? Following that logic, shouldn't BOTH of them be expelled????

Since they weren't, that's not logical (then again, when was school ever logical?).

It sounds like the girl removed the guy's paper, copied it and returned both copies.

With regard to "subhuman males". An excellent book is the War Against Boys. http://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Feminism/dp/0684849569

This is a "must read" for parents of boys and teachers.

 

[DawnCt1]

As a CT resident as well, CCSU has quite the reputation for not explaining to their students exactly which classes they need to take in order to graduate on time. I would say the vast majority that I know were there for 5 years or more because no communication, written or otherwise, was provided to them for them to know what they needed for graduation requirements. Just make sure your child is very proactive in finding out exactly what classes they will need in order to graduate on time and save the added expense of additional years at school.

I would absolutely agree with THAT statement. DS was told that he didn't need a foreign language....right up until 3 weeks before graduation! He ended up taking a 6 credit course over the summer.

 

[DawnCt1]

I had a finished paper stolen out of my dorm room and handed in by another student at the undergraduate level. I was told the school couldnt do anything but fail the student, unless i wanted to pursue it legally.

DS had all of his engineering notes that he needed for an open book final exam stolen out of his room. His professor was very accommodating and allowed him to use another student's notes on another day. He was lucky. Not everyone is so lucky. Of course, he was going into the final with an A average so he knew that DS kept meticulous notes.

 

[PenguinWaiters]

As a CT resident as well, CCSU has quite the reputation for not explaining to their students exactly which classes they need to take in order to graduate on time. I would say the vast majority that I know were there for 5 years or more because no communication, written or otherwise, was provided to them for them to know what they needed for graduation requirements. Just make sure your child is very proactive in finding out exactly what classes they will need in order to graduate on time and save the added expense of additional years at school.

Don't they have Advisors for the students?

At my DS' college, you had 2 Advisors...one for your year ( freshman, then sophomore etc etc) and then one for your major. They were extremely instrumental in making sure you had the right amount of credits (tons of meetings constantly throughout their 4 years) to not only graduate but to graduate in your major as well.

I would absolutely agree with THAT statement. DS was told that he didn't need a foreign language....right up until 3 weeks before graduation! He ended up taking a 6 credit course over the summer.

That's terrible! What kind of advising system do they have? Do they outline graduation requirements in their catalogue and are all students given a catalogue to follow? IMO students should have both a written record of degree requirements (catalogue or online degree audit system or ideally both) as well as access to an advisor so that they know what they need to take.

Of course, my students have both but I always have one or two who don't read the first or use the second...

 

[DawnCt1]

That's terrible! What kind of advising system do they have? Do they outline graduation requirements in their catalogue and are all students given a catalogue to follow? IMO students should have both a written record of degree requirements (catalogue or online degree audit system or ideally both) as well as access to an advisor so that they know what they need to take.

Of course, my students have both but I always have one or two who don't read the first or use the second...

Doesn't everyone have 144 undergraduate credits when they graduate?
They seemed to change the requirement from when he started to when he finished it.

 

[ctinct]

As a CT resident as well, CCSU has quite the reputation for not explaining to their students exactly which classes they need to take in order to graduate on time. I would say the vast majority that I know were there for 5 years or more because no communication, written or otherwise, was provided to them for them to know what they needed for graduation requirements. Just make sure your child is very proactive in finding out exactly what classes they will need in order to graduate on time and save the added expense of additional years at school.

I concur. My experience was at SCSU about six years ago. Yes, there are advisors, but sometimes I was told info that turned out to be incorrect. It was particularly acute in my case, because I earned two degrees at the same time. My last semester I was told I was one history course short for my history degree, because they were not going to count one of my intro courses. One of my profs graciously offered to let me take her course as an independent study, because at the time, I was spending the semester student teaching and could not be on campus. As it turned out, even without this course, I had more than enough credits. Maddening. If I were to give advice to any student, i'd say get your advisor's comments by email and print it out. Take it to another person in the same dept. and see if they agree. This probably goes for all big colleges and universities, but I know for sure that screw ups are fairly common in the CSU system.

A friend of mine was told she would lose her scholarship if she did not provide info on her husband and child. She wasn't married and did not have a child.

 

[Michelle67]

Dawn, I tend to agree with you that a student copying another's work would be more likely to correct grammatical and spelling errors than to add them.

 

[DawnCt1]

The forensic computer analyst seems convincing as well as her conflicting testimony about her own lap top, etc. That said, lets imagine that the young man prevails and his paper is determined to be the original one. She has graduated. She has her degree. She is teaching. Will she get to keep her degree? He didn't get to even progress through the system. In that situation, I wonder what will happen? I also hope that she will have to pay his legal expenses, plus whatever other financial hardships he incurred because of this. I do hope there is a follow up story.

 

[mumom95]

Dawn, I tend to agree with you that a student copying another's work would be more likely to correct grammatical and spelling errors than to add them.

This is not true.

My sister is a college professor in communications and she said one technique students use when stealing a paper is to add errors. That way they can use the excuse "I must have written it first, because of all the errors" Plus, they hope that the professor's mind gets side tracked with the different errors, that they don't think about the fact that the content of the paper is very similar to one they've read before. She's had a couple of students eventually admit to stealing papers and adding in mistakes (they also change some of the information around though, so the paper isn't necessarily word for word).

 

[DawnCt1]

This is not true.

My sister is a college professor in communications and she said one technique students use when stealing a paper is to add errors. That way they can use the excuse "I must have written it first, because of all the errors" Plus, they hope that the professor's mind gets side tracked with the different errors, that they don't think about the fact that the content of the paper is very similar to one they've read before. She's had a couple of students eventually admit to stealing papers and adding in mistakes (they also change some of the information around though, so the paper isn't necessarily word for word).

I guess that could be a technique, but I consider this;

""Word for word?" Maki asked. "I understand things were quoted out of a book, but we're talking word for word and you never ... were part of this group."

Coster contends that he turned in a paper before Moss' deadline. He testified, and evidence presented by Grzelak showed, that he made final edits to his paper on May 15. Coster said he then drove to campus and put the paper in Moss' mailbox in DiLoreto Hall before Moss' deadline of 5 p.m. on May 15.

The suit claims that "at some subsequent" time, Duquette removed Coster's paper from the unsecured mailbox, copied it, corrected the grammar and spelling and turned it in as her own.

Duquette denied that, and said that she also put a term paper in Moss' mailbox before the deadline. One of her attorneys suggested that the later date stamp on the file she e-mailed to Moss was an inadvertent change that occurred when she was trying to save the file.

She testified Tuesday that she tried unsuccessfully to send the term paper as an e-mail attachment from the CCSU computer lab, then sent it later by personal laptop from her Watertown home.

At a deposition in July, Duquette told Maki twice that she did not save the file on her laptop, but on Tuesday she said she could not recall. The computer subsequently crashed, Duquette testified, and she gave it away.

 

[Pin Wizard]

Wow! Seems they're lax about letting students access professors' mailboxes. My personal experience if we had to hand in papers that late was that an employee took them from us, date and time stamped them, and they put them in the professor's box. Students weren't anywhere near the mailboxes. Also makes me now appreciate that we also had to attach all our drafts and revisions along the way to our final paper.

 

[AlexandNessa]

Hmmm, why do I expect a "Ripped from the Headlines" preview for Boston Legal, Law & Order, or CSI coming soon to a TV near you? Take some license, and add a murder, and 44 minutes practically writes itself.

 

[DawnCt1]

Hmmm, why do I expect a "Ripped from the Headlines" preview for Boston Legal, Law & Order, or CSI coming soon to a TV near you? Take some license, and add a murder, and 44 minutes practically writes itself.

That would be a great episode.

 

[Took]

Dawn, I tend to agree with you that a student copying another's work would be more likely to correct grammatical and spelling errors than to add them.

Actually, I think both are equally likely. A smart student who wanted to cheat might know enough to make his or her paper look like a "C" paper so that it wouldn't stand out in a large class. I see the 'paper mills' do this kind of thing every time I slog through one of their sites (looking for evidence of plagiarism--ugh). I'm not saying that I believe either student more than the other, only that "adding errors to add versimilitude" isn't an unlikely tactic.

took

 

[Took]

Wow! Seems they're lax about letting students access professors' mailboxes. My personal experience if we had to hand in papers that late was that an employee took them from us, date and time stamped them, and they put them in the professor's box. Students weren't anywhere near the mailboxes. Also makes me now appreciate that we also had to attach all our drafts and revisions along the way to our final paper.

Good for your professors! I always ask for drafts, usually looking at the papers in stages. That really cuts down on cheating.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Doesn't everyone have 144 undergraduate credits when they graduate?
They seemed to change the requirement from when he started to when he finished it.

Was his major gross?