Charity Cases

[spiceycat]

hey I want the name too please!

make sure I never rent points to her. Of course the one time someone tried to get me to lower my price I just found another person to rent too.

I will still rent OKW for $10 a point. VWL I might now consider $11 or $12.
BWV will be $12 a point.

 

[JimFitz]

Can someone PM me the link to this thread.

I sold points awhile ago and want to be sure I was not taken by this persons sob story.

 

[spiceycat]

okay everyone go over to the DVC rental/trade board and send a bad post to Doc and the other moderators.

they can then know exactly who this is and do something about her.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Search Rent/Trade Board using the word Thailand. You'll get the person.

 

[travelbug]

I've been following this thread without participating, but I finally went and found the poster in question. A quick skim through her post history reveals volumes. I wonder if she realizes yet that people see through the sob story.

 

[DisFlan]

Wow! How many thousands of points has she rented?

If it's true she runs a business with these points, why is she allowed to gain a hefty (and cheap) inventory through the R/T board? Much less by questionable means? I realize the mods are hands-off about private board transactions, but she should at least be identified as what she is and what she's doing.

And what's her web site?


DisFlan

 

[JandD Mom]

I agree about the Thailand post. Give me a break.

However, in reading her recent posts, I don't see what she has done wrong.

She is just taking advantage of the fact that many people who frequent that board want to GIVE their points away for $10 or less. When I first rented 5 years ago, the going rate was $10 per point -- and that was from very reputable posters. MFs have gone up in 5 years, and so has the sale price of points as well as the cost of renting the room directly from Disney. Yet somehow, people still want to rent on the DIS for $10 per point 5 years later.

I think this woman is living proof that people are under-valuing their points because she clearly is able to sell them for more. If everyone else would set their rental prices realistically, then this would not be a problem.

BTW, there was a thread started in the spring by Icy-Dog in which she got brutally flamed for raising this point. I hope that some folks can see they are allowing themselves to be taken advantage of. See here

 

[JimFitz]

I don't see where she has resold them. She has purchased alot of points, but maybe she is in fact planning a trip for this November. Could be.

Am I missing something?

 

[JandD Mom]

I don't see where she has resold them. She has purchased alot of points, but maybe she is in fact planning a trip for this November. Could be.

Am I missing something?

There is one post where she mentions that she has a very high approval rating on ebay. My guess is she buys up time and sells them off on ebay, where she can actually get a price that reflects the market.

 

[spiceycat]

when you do a search on her name and get 4 pages of post on the rental board.

that says to me professionally.

these boards can not be used by someone renting professionally.

now on occasional most of us visit the rent board. I certainly do. Sometimes to help others (some people don't understand it). Other times to rent.

but 4 pages!!!

now of this board (not to mention on several others) I would probably come up with 15 pages (if not more).

TnRobin is looking into it - and she is definitely fair!!!!

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

There is one post where she mentions that she has a very high approval rating on ebay. My guess is she buys up time and sells them off on ebay, where she can actually get a price that reflects the market.

This is the type of rental activity you will see as members continue to sell their points on the R/T board for under $11. It also will force members who want to receive a fair value for thier rented points to book peak times just to keep themselves from being under bid by the glut of $9 sellers.

 

[JandD Mom]

This is the type of rental activity you will see as members continue to sell their points on the R/T board for under $11. It also will force members who want to receive a fair value for thier rented points to book peak times just to keep themselves from being under bid by the glut of $9 sellers.

Bingo Johnnie,

That's what you are seeing on the R/T board and that's what the ebayers do too. That's POINT-POACHING. It keeps the rest of us from getting the weeks we want, or forces those who want to rent to advertize a confirmed week first.

Back off my soap box and back to the O/T:
I would be very hesitant to rent my points at any "charity" number unless it was someone I truly knew was worthy (ie, someone I personally know), or unless I was desperate to do something with the points because I was going to lose them.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I wish Richyams was here to respond to this! He felt strongly about folks who snatched up prime weeks at the 11 month booking window with the intent of renting them out. This will become more problematic with the increasing number of members and the size difference between the smallest and largest DVC resorts. Imagine if even half the people who owned VWL booked for early December with the intent of renting out those ressies. It would make it impossible for anyone trying at the 7 month mark for that resort. We have never rented out points, and don't ever intend to at this point. I'll not say "never" though, because as we age, it might be necessary at some point. It would be bad if those who exploit the system were responsible for rule changes that effected all of us. I suspect that making that rule change to only allow transfering one way for each account might be DVC's attempt at some sort of controll of this. I also have to agree with Johnny that lowering the cost of points devalues DVC. Those folks who end up staying at DVC for less than they can get Pop or All Stars for, might not treat it like a deluxe resort.

 

[JandD Mom]

I also have to agree with Johnny that lowering the cost of points devalues DVC. Those folks who end up staying at DVC for less than they can get Pop or All Stars for, might not treat it like a deluxe resort.

Diane,

I never thought of this but it is an excellent point. You are 100% correct. And you said it so well

 

[LakeAriel]

First of all everyone is focusing on one fraud. There are many! They all have a sob story in their subject line! This is not where honest people air their grief, there are actual organizations to help terminally ill children etc. The difference is that THEY check for authenticity!

As for this individual, I am really confused about how she does this. If I make a reservation for a person I rent to, only I can change the name on it, right? How does this person navigate the system and change names and dates once she gets a hold of these discounted points??

 

[dianeschlicht]

First of all everyone is focusing on one fraud. There are many! They all have a sob story in their subject line! This is not where honest people air their grief, there are actual organizations to help terminally ill children etc. The difference is that THEY check for authenticity!

As for this individual, I am really confused about how she does this. If I make a reservation for a person I rent to, only I can change the name on it, right? How does this person navigate the system and change names and dates once she gets a hold of these discounted points??

She is also a member. She says that in some of her posts. I'm wondering if she has points transfered in.

 

[LakeAriel]

She is also a member. She says that in some of her posts. I'm wondering if she has points transfered in.
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Wow, that would allow her to do what she wants with the points wouldn't it?

 

[spiceycat]

right now while Disney says that WDW resorts in Oct, Nov are in regular season - while DVC has them in adventure or choice - OKW is 8 points a night

sun, nov 20 - thru friday, nov 25 is 46 points
so $460 for the 5 day stay

with rack rates at pOP $99 per night - so $495 + taxes $551

OKW is a better buy.

but I don't want my resort hurt by people who don't appreciate it either.

 

[travelbug]

She is also a member. She says that in some of her posts. I'm wondering if she has points transfered in.

Yes, a number of her posts specify that points she rents will be transferred to her.

 

[CarolMN]

Bingo Johnnie,

That's what you are seeing on the R/T board and that's what the ebayers do too. That's POINT-POACHING. It keeps the rest of us from getting the weeks we want, or forces those who want to rent to advertize a confirmed week first.....(snip)......

Not exactly true. It only forces the rest of us to call at the 11 month window if we want a popular week. DVC reservations are on a "first to call, first to get" system. The "point poachers" are not breaking any DVC rules and have no special advantage over the rest of us.

...(snip).....I would be very hesitant to rent my points at any "charity" number unless it was someone I truly knew was worthy (ie, someone I personally know), or unless I was desperate to do something with the points because I was going to lose them.

I agree! If I ever have points to rent or give away, they will go to someone I know personally or to a legitimate charity such as "Give Kids the World".

....(snip)......It would be bad if those who exploit the system were responsible for rule changes that effected all of us. I suspect that making that rule change to only allow transfering one way for each account might be DVC's attempt at some sort of controll of this.

If DVC really wanted to "control" or minimize this behavior, all they have to do is change the rules to allow one and only one transfer per year into or out of an account. (Exceptions could be made for members who own more than one contract and want to transfer between those contracts).

I personally do not like that some members are using the DIS to take advantage of others' desire to help out the less fortunate. But it isn't criminal and it isn't even against the DVC rules.

To me, making up a sad story to entice people to sell below market is different from just buying low and selling high. There isn't anything worng with "buying low on the DIS and selling high on ebay or elsewhere". I do not think a person will get rich doing it and those who do it are performing the same service as a TA. TAs do not work for free and neither do the people who rent your points only to rent them to someone else for more $$. No one forces a member to rent their points at a particular price.

Everyone who "surfs" the net needs to develop a healthy skeptism about what he/she sees there. There are lots of scams and dishonest people out there. The DIS mods do a great job, but there is no way for them to "protect" us from dishonest and unethical people.

JMHO. YMMV.

Best wishes-