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Did you get col raises this year? We haven't, ever. The only way most people get a raise of significant nature is to change jobs.

As far a being "on" all the time that is their job. It is what they are being paid for, just as the walmart employee might be paid to stock shelves. If you don't stock shelves or put up with irritating people, clients or patients you are not doing the job you are being paid to do. Not being paid enough is not an excuse for poor work quality, regardless of profession.

I completely agree.

People should be able to complain about lack of pixie dust from CMs. Part of being a CM is always being *on*, being *positive*. If you aren't doing that, you aren't doing your JOB. Are you hot standing outside serving ice cream? I'm sorry - did you not know Florida was hot when you accepted the job?

I don't get paid if I don't do my job. :confused3
 
I hate that it was done in costume.

Whether or not their reasoning for protesting is justified, doesn't mean that my children should see the characters in that light

I also agree with this 100%. It destroys the magic. Makes me sad. I'm all for standing up for yourself, and think they have every right to protest if it is justified. But, it's really sad that it was done in costume...
 
What amazes me is the comments about those who work in "service posititions" being uneducated, baby makers. Seriously? I went to Yale, graduated with honors and yep, I work in customer service, merchandising and public relations for a retail company. I also do not have 10 kids, in fact I have zero kids. Sure, I get paid very well, but I am also not sitting in some office while letting other people "service" the customers. While I do a lot of office work, I am also out there helping customers, cleaning racks, and have jumped behind a register more than once on a regular basis. I work for a company that feels it's corp staff is no more important than it's "store staff". Even being head of merchandising and PR, I had to be trained in store operations and am expected to do what is needed in the location I am in. Even if that means mopping a floor.

The way a lot of people treat those in customer service posititions is absurd, as I can tell you by personal experience. And reading some of the comments on this thread about "life choices" really makes me question who is exactly uneducated. Just because someone works in a service posititon does not make them below you in life. You want to take a Disney vacation, you want friendly smiles and no worries and a perfect stay? Then guess what you need to make that happen? Those working in low paying service jobs. The same ones many are saying have no right to protest lack of raises and rising healthcare cost. Yes, it is a problem everywhere, but that doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it right for the very people who depend on these workers to make their stay magical to demean them for their so-called "life choices".
 
I'll tell you what country I live in, I live in the United States of America!! A country built and maintained by hard working laborers. In this country in many states workers have a right to organize and collectively bargain for their wages and working conditions. Sometimes it necessary for these people to take job actions in order to get what they deserve. Make no mistake about it, these people are putting forward the effort to improve their lot and the lot of many others. The ones who agree with them, and I suspect most cms do, but do nothing as many on here apparently feel is the correct path will gladly take the increases that their involved union brothers have secured for them. Those on the lines should be commended. The value of what these workers provide needs to be recognized. Our country would come to a grinding halt without them. Have fun in at Disney without the laborers. Disney sets the market for labor wages in Central Florida and these wages are pathetic and make no mistake about it, Disney is making excellent profits.

I am so tired of people saying that these people shouldn't complain, they should go to school, get there degrees and get better jobs if they don't like it. Someone still has to do these jobs and those that do deserve to be paid a respectable wage with respectable benefits. Think what your life would be like without the laborers. What will you do if noone is working in the paper mills to make your Charmin? You gonna wipe your butt with your degree? Good luck making that last.

For the record I have a college degree. I proudly choose to be a union firefighter. I also work hard to try to secure fair compensation for what I believe to be a very important occupation. I suspect that I value most occuaptions more than most.
 

What amazes me is the comments about those who work in "service posititions" being uneducated, baby makers. Seriously? I went to Yale, graduated with honors and yep, I work in customer service, merchandising and public relations for a retail company. I also do not have 10 kids, in fact I have zero kids. Sure, I get paid very well, but I am also not sitting in some office while letting other people "service" the customers. While I do a lot of office work, I am also out there helping customers, cleaning racks, and have jumped behind a register more than once on a regular basis. I work for a company that feels it's corp staff is no more important than it's "store staff". Even being head of merchandising and PR, I had to be trained in store operations and am expected to do what is needed in the location I am in. Even if that means mopping a floor.

The way a lot of people treat those in customer service posititions is absurd, as I can tell you by personal experience. And reading some of the comments on this thread about "life choices" really makes me question who is exactly uneducated. Just because someone works in a service posititon does not make them below you in life. You want to take a Disney vacation, you want friendly smiles and no worries and a perfect stay? Then guess what you need to make that happen? Those working in low paying service jobs. The same ones many are saying have no right to protest lack of raises and rising healthcare cost. Yes, it is a problem everywhere, but that doesn't make it right. Nor does it make it right for the very people who depend on these workers to make their stay magical to demean them for their so-called "life choices".

Well said!
 
Raises heck it would be nice not to get the pay cuts that many have had the last few years.

Given the number of people Disney employs why so few protesting?

Denise in MI

A very large number of Disney employees are not union. They can't force you to join the union. When I worked for Disney, I did not join. I really didn't think it made sense to have union dues taken out of my minimum wage paycheck.
 
Exactly!!!! They were all fully aware of what their hourly wage would be when they accepted the job and now to strike because your raise was not enough is ridiculous. If you are unhappy with what the pay increase is then move on and let someone who wants to work for that amount have the job. The premises of unions when they began were to protect workers now many for the most part are based on greed and extortion. If their pay had been cut than I would fully understand the need to picket!

That may be true, but things in the Central Florida area are not good. For every job posted, there are hundreds waiting to apply. Recently, an area hospital announced that it would have 400 positions available. These were not all high skilled positions. They had over 10,000 applicants. It's hard to find work here at this time. Even though your pay is low, there is really no where to go.

Everything in the Orlando area has gone up recently. If you are strugging to feed and house your family on a minimum wage job, the loss of a few cents seems a big deal. Please remember that the majority of Disney CMs are not full time employees. Oh, they work full time hours, but they do not get the same benefits as the full time people. Disney keeps it that way so that they don't have to give full time benefits. I realize that things are bad across the country. They are bad here. I don't begrudge people anywhere from trying to improve their situation in the only way they see as an option.
 
I really am not overly sympathetic nor opposed to labor unions in this day and age and I do agree with you about greed and extortion. But with that said, how is it any different than the companies they work for.

Further, how about yourself in your job, or if you stay at home, how about your spouse. Are you happy to be making the same wage you were 5 years ago? how about 10 years ago? perhaps 20 years ago? With your reasoning we should be happy never seeing a pay increase. Or, just move on and find another job, after all they are out there in abundance in this economy :confused3

How about the corporate greed. Bob Iger, the CEO of Walt Disney last year received a 35% pay increase from the prior year. YES, 35%. In my opinion there is no justifiable reason why any CEO should receive that type of pay raise and not take care of it's employees. I am not opposed to him making his millions, just be fair to those in the rank and file. IMHO, they are the backbone of any company. I myself am a small business owner with 6 employees working for me. And while my income is very important to me, so are the people who work for me. No way could I take a 35% increase in pay and not take care of my employees. http://www.diszine.com/content/disney-ceos-pay-increases-by-thirty-five-percent

Exactly! We small business owner are more in touch to our employees and we treat them as family! If my employees are not happy then my company suffers! common sense!
The cost of living has sky rocket while pay rate stayed the same! Getting to a point where you have to decided do you need gas or food? I am sure hearing of a 35% pay increase really settle wrong with the common everyday employees! My friend who owns a restaurant hasn't drawn a paycheck for himself in over a year cause times are hard in his industry, he owns a steak house. However in order for him to make sure his employees are not effected buy it he cut his own pay!
 
I hope you never find yourself in a position where your take home check decreases because you need a more expensive health care package.

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So if health care costs go up, the money is coming from both the company and the employee (if they have to contribute more, some companies just have to absorb that cost), however it's still an increase that has to come from somewhere. Just because an employee get a raise that gets eaten up by the health insurance costs increases doesn't mean they didn't get a raise. The total package is higer (something unions hate to look at because it's reality) even if takehome pay is less.

I should add, I also think it's wrong that Iger got the huge bump in pay.
 
I'll tell you what country I live in, I live in the United States of America!! A country built and maintained by hard working laborers. In this country in many states workers have a right to organize and collectively bargain for their wages and working conditions. Sometimes it necessary for these people to take job actions in order to get what they deserve. Make no mistake about it, these people are putting forward the effort to improve their lot and the lot of many others. The ones who agree with them, and I suspect most cms do, but do nothing as many on here apparently feel is the correct path will gladly take the increases that their involved union brothers have secured for them. Those on the lines should be commended. The value of what these workers provide needs to be recognized. Our country would come to a grinding halt without them. Have fun in at Disney without the laborers. Disney sets the market for labor wages in Central Florida and these wages are pathetic and make no mistake about it, Disney is making excellent profits.

I am so tired of people saying that these people shouldn't complain, they should go to school, get there degrees and get better jobs if they don't like it. Someone still has to do these jobs and those that do deserve to be paid a respectable wage with respectable benefits. Think what your life would be like without the laborers. What will you do if noone is working in the paper mills to make your Charmin? You gonna wipe your butt with your degree? Good luck making that last.

For the record I have a college degree. I proudly choose to be a union firefighter. I also work hard to try to secure fair compensation for what I believe to be a very important occupation. I suspect that I value most occuaptions more than most.
Excellent post..OT- my dad is a retired firefighter and is very smart. Thanks for all you do on the job.
 
What country do you think we all live in. If the job sucks that much, why the hell don't they find another one? They applied for the job, they got the job, I am sure that the pay scale and all the benefits are very easy to find and educate themselves on. They want more money, Disney is giving them 3% pay increases every year for the next three years in an environment where inflation is nill! And they still stoop to levels where they take up their companies intellectual creations and stomp all over them saying this place stinks, management is treating us like dirt, etc. Then do something for yourself and make a change in YOUR life, don't push your problems onto people that have nothing to do with your problems.

What they are getting paid is the going rate for what they do. My wife was a Medical Assitant for 15 years. The work was hard and the pay sucked. She went to night school for 6 years to become an RN. The pay is good and the work is even harder. She didn't run around saying her employer sucked because she was getting paid X and X is what Medical Assistants make everywhere!

If they have a problem with 3% increases, then they need to do something that rates more than 3% increases.

Selling ice cream in the blazing sun huh? Wait, do I have to actually stand the whole time too?

Geez, what a different reality you must live in.

Glad things seem to be good where you live. There are simply no jobs available here...especially for unskilled workers. Many must work at Disney or not work at all.

Inflation may seem nil to you, but I can assure it is thriving here. There is nothing in this area that hasn't gone up in the last two years. Food prices are way up. Utilities are up. Insurance companies keep requesting and receiving huge increases. Gas prices are through the roof. I don't work for Disney, but have definitely seem my available cash shrink dramatically.

You are correct in that what they do does not require a lot of skill. I am just not sure where you expect them to obtain other skills or different jobs. They certainly cannot afford to go back to school and there are just no jobs to be had.

I'd love to hear some good solutions for this problem from people who actually live in the Central Florida area.
 
We live in a dog-eat-dog society. The people who don't have the education to get jobs that are higher paying are dealing with their life choices... you choose to have a family early and not go to college? It's your choice. 100%.

My DH took a pay CUT because his company wasn't doing well. Everyone else was getting an annual raise in the IT jobs around our city, but DH's company took a 10% pay cut. We didn't like it - so did we protest? No. He found a new job that paid a lot better.

He had that choice because he CHOSE to go to school and to not start a family or drop out of high school.



I completely believe and support the right to protest - BUT what I don't agree with the reasoning that these CMs have. At least they got a raise when so many in our country are facing pay cuts or pay freezes. I'm a high school teacher - our super intendent is making half a million a year, and we have been on a pay freeze for five years.

And if you think that teachers make at least 8$ an hour you are sorely miseducated on the state of affairs in education.

You need to take a look at the demographics of Disney CMs. A large percentage are younger people who do not come from a situation where college was a choice and the elderly who are living on a fixed income but really need the health care coverage. We do not all come from middle class America where college is an option.
 
Fairyprincess, what is your point? That you went to Yale and sometimes have to do dirtywork? I went to Columbia and have to pick drunks up and get them into tx. My choice for career. Lots of us have to do icky hard stuff for our jobs. Life is like that. I worked every position in Facilities I've been involved in. Not everyone had a silverspoon. Some of us worked our way through high school colleges, summers and even theme parks. Cedar point.

It is easy to say corporations need to raise pay when you aren't paying it. No one wants prices raised, because frankly all are trying to get by.

Healthcare is expensive. Someone has to pay.

I also don't think that any CEO is worth that kind of money.
 
So you would love a job standing out in the blazing Florida sun selling ice cream to frequently unpleasant people? Sure. You get paid well, so it's easy for you to judge those who work in the unskilled labor market. If you are so dedicated, what are you doing posting on the disboards, shouldn't you be grinding away at your stressful job?

And yes, I realize that we are discussing a lot of unskilled labor jobs that you don't need any special training to do- but when a company is turning a large profit and you are giving a CEO a 35 % increase while further sucking the life out of your front line workers, say what you want about pixie dust, that is kinda lame.
If Iger were the CEO soley of the 'parks division' then fine, you have an argument. But, to the best of my knowledge he is CEO of the whole shebang...and that covers a whole lot more than ice cream vendors at MK. WDW hires these unskilled workers, for positions that do not need any special education...period. When you accept the job, you know what the details are.
Am I saying that people don't deserve a decent living? Of course they do. I have talked to CMs, in a variety of positions at WDW..and they all love what they do, and pretty much love the company. They have been there, working at WDW, for many years. Some have worked their way up through the ranks...from what would be considered 'menial' work to a position of some importance. Can't be all that bad to work there.

So when that hard working teacher's contract is up and wants a raise or wants to protest that their health care contribution is too high, he or she should just lump it? If someone doesn't ever complain, how do things change? You should read up on the history of labor unions and why they are started in the first place.


I grew up in a 'union household'..and now I have little use for them. Why?? I live in a fairly upscale town. My family would be considered to be upper-middle class. We worked hard to get where we are. Our schools are known for their excellence. So, when our already highly paid teachers decided to 'picket' because they were being asked to contribute more to their healthcare costs, many in town went a bit nutty. We even had teachers discussing it in classrooms, at all levels..yes, even in the elementary schools. They sent stuff home with the kids in their classrooms. Teachers started 'working to the contract'...stopped doing anything they weren't specifically paid for. You have a senior who needs a letter of recommendation for college? Oh well...too bad, teachers aren't specifically paid for that. You're outa luck. Just one example.
I have no problem with people getting a decent pay.But, when I sit at my desk and try to figure out how the heck I'm going to stretch our paycheck each month, I have to wonder about those who complain that they are being asked to contribute another $15 per paycheck for their healthcare...oh, and they don't want a copay either!!
Everyone is feeling the pinch in these days. I would rather have a job, with money coming in, even if it meant a bit more cost for healthcare.

And a college education for all? Not hardly. There are a lot of people who have no business going to college. Not everyone has what it takes. But, I have to say that plumbers and electricians do just fine. Yes, they need some form of education...and licensing. But with the number of vocational schools out there, there should be schooling for just about any profession.
In my town, the teens won't stoop to working at McDonalds....yet their parents (the yuppies) will complain that they can't 'understand' the workers who do take the jobs there!!!

I have a 34 y/o dd. She works in the preschool/daycare field. She made some mistakes early on. But, she is back on track, taking college courses online through an area community college. She should get her AA in a year or so. She holds down a job, lives on her own in her own apt., has a nice car. She lives paycheck to paycheck. And she would love to have more to spend. In fact, she has told me that she wants 'my life'...SAHM, nice house, nice car, nice vacations. But, she doesn't understand that I paid my dues, so to speak. It wasn't always this way. I lived in crappy apts, drove crappy cars and worried about being able to feed my kids on a daily basis.
And there are still times when things are tighter than we would like. And health insurance is one of those reasons. It is getting out of hand. My dh works in the insurance field, I used to. There is a ton of waste. There are many reasons for the cost of premiums nowadays. But this isn't the right place to get into that.

Really.....if Disney CMs want to picket, have at it. I still maintain that the vast majority of CMs are pretty happy. Oh, and by the way?? I saw that video...if it's the same one I saw last summer..the one with a 'few' CMs saying that they had to get food stamps and that Disney is so charitable but it's their own CMs who are getting charity from places that Disney has given to. And you know the funny thing??? I spoke to a bunch of CMs about that video last summer...and they all said, every single one, that they found the video to be offensive and not at all representative of others that they knew.
Sometimes the internet doesn't give a clear view of something.
 
A very large number of Disney employees are not union. They can't force you to join the union. When I worked for Disney, I did not join. I really didn't think it made sense to have union dues taken out of my minimum wage paycheck.

And herein lays the problem. Florida is not a union friendly state. One of the union weakening laws that Florida has is the so-called "right to work" law (a better name would be "don't pay your share"). This allows workers who are covered by a union's collective bargaining agreement to get a free ride. They are not required to join the union or pay any dues, but they are covered under the contract the union negotiates and the union is required to enforce this contract for all. In essence the union members pay more to make up for those who choose not to pay their share. This results in a much weaker union and everyone suffers. In fact states with this "right to work" law have significantly lower wages across the board, as well as much lower safety records. This is by no means indicative that these employees do not agree with the union positions, they just don't want to help pay to fight for them.

There is a big anti-union push in this country right now being orchestrated by big business through slick advertising campaigns and misinformation. The result is the shrinking of the middle class. Hopefully people will get informed and this slide can be reversed. The facts are clear. Union workers earnings are 28% higher than non-union workers. Union workers are 28.2% more likely to be covered by employer provided health insurance. Union workers get 28% more paid leave. Union workers are 54% more likely to get employer provided pensions. When the middle class does better, everyone does better. There is more disposable income being spent in shops, resaurants, etc.
 
Lol, so you think people should be forced to join unions? That is nice. Glad to know there is no corruption in those systems!!! Union leaders get paid how much? And they have the nerve to talk about big business.
 
Glad things seem to be good where you live. There are simply no jobs available here...especially for unskilled workers. Many must work at Disney or not work at all.

Inflation may seem nil to you, but I can assure it is thriving here. There is nothing in this area that hasn't gone up in the last two years. Food prices are way up. Utilities are up. Insurance companies keep requesting and receiving huge increases. Gas prices are through the roof. I don't work for Disney, but have definitely seem my available cash shrink dramatically.

You are correct in that what they do does not require a lot of skill. I am just not sure where you expect them to obtain other skills or different jobs. They certainly cannot afford to go back to school and there are just no jobs to be had.

I'd love to hear some good solutions for this problem from people who actually live in the Central Florida area.
I live in the Central Florida area. :goodvibes But there are a ton of things that can be done that don't have anything to do with where you live. [Note that that I use "you" here in the generic, not in the "you, Feralpeg, specifically". :)]

The very first thing anyone anywhere should do is to look at their budget. We live in a very "I want it now" society. How many of the protesters have iPhones, laptops and flatscreen TVs? How many are spending money on DVRs, wireless access and a gazillion cable channels? How many are eating fast food or in restaurants rather than cooking? If someone is living beyond their means, then it's not entirely Disney's fault that they can't afford their phone bill or cable charges. There is no stated inalienable right to own an iPad.

Control the stuff you can control. You can't control how much someone is charging for gas, but you can control how often you drive. You can't control how much someone is charging for bread, but you can adjust your diet to use foods that cost less right now. Clip coupons, plan your meals so that you're cooking efficiently. Join a warehouse club. People don't plan anymore. They grab stuff in a hurry and then wonder why their grocery bill is so high.

Really look at each and every expense and see what's truly worth it. Not watching all 386 channels of cable? Get another plan. As Feralpeg said, a few cents can make a big difference.

There are a lot of schools that provide vast amounts of financial assistance if people just do a little research. Particularly if you're low-income, there are lots of different programs that you can work through to find the money to go back to school. Even auditing a few college-level classes can give a boost to your resume, and it doesn't cost nearly what it costs to have the diploma on your wall.

Talk to people! You want a different, higher-paying job at Disney? Ask! If you wait around for Disney (or any employer, really) to recognize your work and hand you a promotion, you will be waiting a long time. Get to know your leaders. Get to know THEIR leaders. Do your job well, watch for promotions, ask to be interviewed. Keep your resume up to date so that you can always have a copy if you hear of an opportunity. Shadow people who have jobs you want. Not a week goes by that someone doesn't call me and ask how I got my job and what skills I needed. I talk to them about my path at the company, what I've done, how I moved from place to place. Don't sit and complain ... take hold of your life and do something!

As for other jobs ... same thing. TALK TO PEOPLE. If you truly don't want to be at Disney any more and want another job, tell your friends, your family. Go to companies you want to work at and ask when they'll have openings. Volunteer in an industry you want to be in. Hang out where those employees hang out. Network. Meet people.

It's not a quick process. And it's not easy. People are very "I want it now." They don't want to have to walk the pavement and struggle and pinch pennies in order to work towards or hunt for their ideal job. They want to walk in and get the job at the salary they want and they want that to happen right NOW. If you're not willing to have a little pain, you will not get the gain.

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Fairyprincess, what is your point? That you went to Yale and sometimes have to do dirtywork? I went to Columbia and have to pick drunks up and get them into tx. My choice for career. Lots of us have to do icky hard stuff for our jobs. Life is like that. I worked every position in Facilities I've been involved in. Not everyone had a silverspoon. Some of us worked our way through high school colleges, summers and even theme parks. Cedar point.

It is easy to say corporations need to raise pay when you aren't paying it. No one wants prices raised, because frankly all are trying to get by.

Healthcare is expensive. Someone has to pay.

I also don't think that any CEO is worth that kind of money.

Im sorry? I am not at all complaining about doing "dirty work", in fact my point was the exact opposite. I don't mind dirty work, I was raised in a family owned restaurant, I bussed tables since I was tall enough to reach the top and carry knives. I would never complain about doing dirty work, regardless of my education, because I was raised to believe that you should never make someone do anything, that you yourself are not prepared to do.

My point was the exact opposite of what you are accusing me of agreeing to. I also do not believe that any CEO is entitled to a pay raise of millions of dollars while their front line employees are struggling to pay for Ramen noodles, when it fact that money could be used to pay for employee raises and rising healthcare costs.

And you couldn't be more wrong about me having a silver spoon in my mouth. Not when I was younger, and most certianly not now.
 
Lol, so you think people should be forced to join unions? That is nice. Glad to know there is no corruption in those systems!!! Union leaders get paid how much? And they have the nerve to talk about big business.

In my union, the union leaders get a stipend of $200 a year, which has been declined every year for at least the last ten. Even if it was taken, it would not come close to covering the ink, paper, supplies, traveling expenses etc.

Nice stereotype though. I guess those slick advertising campaigns are working, but then again I already knew that.

For the record, I think that everyone should pay their fair share for the negotiation and enforcement of the contract. Even in non "right to work states" that all that is required. Funds spent on anything else (flowers for sick co-workers, charitable donatins etc) are not included in this calculation. Also, the laws require an independant annual audit of all revenue and expenses. We would do this even if it weren't required. Again the statistics are clear, workers in these cirumstances are much better off. Do the research.
 
And herein lays the problem. Florida is not a union friendly state. One of the union weakening laws that Florida has is the so-called "right to work" law (a better name would be "don't pay your share"). This allows workers who are covered by a union's collective bargaining agreement to get a free ride. They are not required to join the union or pay any dues, but they are covered under the contract the union negotiates and the union is required to enforce this contract for all. In essence the union members pay more to make up for those who choose not to pay their share. This results in a much weaker union and everyone suffers. In fact states with this "right to work" law have significantly lower wages across the board, as well as much lower safety records. This is by no means indicative that these employees do not agree with the union positions, they just don't want to help pay to fight for them.

There is a big anti-union push in this country right now being orchestrated by
big business through slick advertising campaigns and misinformation. The
result is the shrinking of the middle class. Hopefully people will get informed
and this slide can be reversed. The facts are clear. Union workers earnings
are 28% higher than non-union workers. Union workers are 28.2% more likely
to be covered by employer provided health insurance. Union workers get 28%
more paid leave. Union workers are 54% more likely to get employer
provided pensions. When the middle class does better, everyone does better.
There is more disposable income being spent in shops, resaurants,
etc.

Oh, boy here we go.... I think the word on the tip of your tongue in that first sentence was
Republicans, am I right? My BIL drives a forklift at a UAW Ford plant in Louisville and makes
100,000 a year to do it. Even he can't believe he gets that much to move pallets around. Unions
have done lot for workers in the early 20th century, especially the coal miners here in KY and I
acknowledge that. But don't try and sell the idea that they are just as essential now as they were
back then, not buying it.
 
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