Changes to GAC???? UPDATE - response from WDW

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We just returned from WDW last night and this was the worst time we had with getting the right GAC. We were just there in Jan and didn't have one problem, but this time they must have made some changes. They are trying to put everyone through the main lines. Standard wheel chair entrance is now through every main line. My DD has issues with overexhaustion causing seizures and hypoglycemia, and must eat and take meds every 2 hours. They wanted us to use fast pass - which was fine when we could but we spent most of our time trying to figure out if she could get through the line before having to eat and take meds. Anyone else have trouble recently with the GAC?? I asked at the parks if changes were made and most said no, a couple cast members did say there were problems recently.

Any Experiences????

Melinda
 
Can't spend much time right now - but, wanted to add clarification that for most attractions, the wheelchair entrance is the main line.
These are called Mainstream Lines. AK and the Studio were built with primarily Mainstream Lines. Epcot and MK have had Mainstream Lines added as attrctions were added and renovated as much as possible.

Very few attractions have separate or special wheelchair entrances and when they do, it's usually because there was something about the attraction or the boarding area that prevented putting it in.

We just got back from WDW on Oct 30 and noticed no differences to the GAC that my DD received. We did see the CMs looking it over carefully the few times we used it. We did use Fastpass or the Mainstream Lines as much as possible.
 
The lines for almost all attractions at WDW are "mainstreamed". This means that the queue is set up to allow wheelchairs and/or ECVs to go through the line just as a person without a mobility problem. As it was built prior to the ADA, the Magic Kingdom is most likely to have non-mainstreamed lines. Some attractions, such as Splash Mountain and Haunted Mansion you will go part way through the regular queue and then be diverted. Other attractions, such as Big Thunder Mountain or SpaceShip Earth you will initially be directed to an accessible entrance.

All the theaters are set up with seats (usually in the back row) removed so a wheelchair or ECV can pull into a space and there will be regular seating on either side of the space for the others in the party.

Where there are quantity limits on space, or other limitation involving accessability, you may have to wait longer to see a show or ride an attraction than people without disabilities.

The normal (and official) response of Guest Relations to people with mobility and/or stamina issues is to recommend rental of a wheelchair or ECV. The Guest Assistance Card (GAC) is intended for "invisible" disabilities not related to mobility or stamina. A wheelchair or ECV is sufficient to notify Cast Members of special assistance normally needed. However, if a person has other issues, such as auditory or visual, they would probably also need a GAC.

Note that a GAC is not intended to allow bypassing of lines, and it so states on the card itself. The only people who will get the special Front Of The Line GAC are where a terminal or midically fragile child is traveling on a trip from Make A Wish or similar foundation.
 
When we were there in 08, we had a sticker on our stroller to use as a wheelchair and we were sometimes taken through the exit to get on a ride. They acted as if this was the norm. Not sure when it changed.
 

We just came back from a trip in April, it will more than likely be our last trip ever to WDW, my dd health is just not good enough to withstand it anymore, but I thank God that we have went on 9 trips to WDW and we have wonderful memories.

All that to say this my dd is obviously handicapped, just one look and no question, but her GAC was checked closely at every ride this last time, the date and the number of people in our party was check ( just 4 of us) so I do think it's getting a little tighter in watching things.

I personally have no problem going though a mainstream line, sometime it's a whole lot faster than having to wait but my problem is how the lines are designed and I realize that there is not much they can do about that but when you're in a wheelchair and you're lower than everyone else, even if you have a member of your family in front of the wheelchair and in back of the chair to give much needed space, the person in the wheelchair still has poor air circulation because people on both sides of the line cram together and sit on the rails etc and it leaves the person in the wheelchair about to die of heat by the time they are up to the front.
In line for peter pan I really thought that my dd was going to pass out, but she wanted to ride so bad, and this is the fast pass line I am talking about, people just don't give space unless you just resort to causing a scene, an who wants to do that when we all are on vacation.
 
It always makes me a little frustrated when people assume that a GAC, wheelchair or ECV means they'll get to jump the lines (I have a cousin that was planning a WDW trip because she *knew* she would get to line jump. She canceled her trip when I explained that most lines are now ADA compliant). With every refurbishment, all lines (unless, as someone else has already said, the ride is configured so it's not possible) are made ADA compliant. You may need to reconsider what you request for her GAC, if your main concern is exhaustion and the necessity to take medication so frequently.

If you know when she needs to take her meds and have snacks, pack them in your bag with a bottle of water. There isn't a problem with having food or drink in the lines, as long as there's a trash can nearby or you're willing to keep the trash in a plastic baggie or something. I'm borderline hypoglycemic, so I understand the necessity for snacks, and I take medications at specific times, so I keep them in my bag, make sure I have a drink around the times I take it, and have an alarm on my phone.
 
We just returned and I was very pleased with how they handled the GAC issues (I have a blood clot and am on large doses of blood thinners). I can't do turnstiles, needed extra time for boarding moving rides, and no steps with no railing so at the front of each ride I just checked with the CM on what to do. I was directed to a place that was appropriate to my needs. For shows I arrived very early and was given a special area separate from the wheelchair seating. At toy story they have a special section which does have a long wait sometimes but was ideal because they didn't have to slow down the regular line. We definitely still waited at most rides but didn't have to criss cross the park getting FPs which I couldn't have done nor could my kids go by themselves as they are too young. The only place I had an issue was Haunted Mansion the staff were rude 1 day and ended up forcing me into a section with a turnstile and no way out and then they ended up bringing me back around to the handicapped entrance anyway. I did end up with a huge bruise from that too. Rock N Roller staff were also difficult when my son got scared and bailed on my daughter at the last minute and I wanted to wait where I could see her get off. 1 CM showed me a spot to wait and then another wanted me to to move. I couldn't ride with her b/c of the g-forces which are a no no with the blood thinners. It was all fine but the 1 person in particular seemed to be going out of her way to be difficult.
 
I appreciate all of your resposes. I am in no way trying to avoid lines, I wouldn't go if we couldn't stand to wait a little in lines. The problem is that in January everything was handled completely different than it was last week. It was so frustrating because one time we rode for example Soarin and they sent us through the fast pass line and the next time demanded that we have fast passes to be able to ride. Each CM handled the GAC different. The next time we went to ride we need to make sure DD is not on a ride when she needs to eat or take meds - she can take them in the lines, but we need to mix it before giving it to her so it isn't as easy as just getting it out and swallowing a pill. We have been to WDW many times and have always been able to go through wheel chair accessable lines and most of the time the fast pass line without the fast pass. We always use regular lines if the lines are moving fairly quickly. Just wish they would have every CM be more consistant !! Every condition isn't as easily put in their categories. I should be used to it all as I spend most of my time explaining and fighting the school, doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, etc. It was just that in the past I didn't have to explain at every attraction what her needs and condition was.
 
I was there the 23rd to the 30th, and my needs are also not easily put into a category. I wrote up a note myself explaining my needs, since i am not good at talking to strangers. i got a GAC which suited my needs quite well...

I can see where the CMs may have been confused about her needs - needing snacks and to take meds at a certain time probably sounded like something you can do in line...

I am not sure what you meant about having to try to figure out fastpass lines... did you mean the return time? Generally the policy is that if there are fastpasses, you have to try to use them... at least that is how it worked for me.

i get needing to time things, since i also have time-sensitive needs, but i can also see where the CMs were confused...

on another note - Sue! we were there at the same time!
 
I had a note explaining her condition and what the issues were (the same form letter we have had for the last 3 years) from her physician at the Univ of Fla. Some CM's at Guest Services (I was there 4 times trying to get what she needed) would read it, some would not, saying that they were not medical professionals.

Doesn't matter - we still enjoyed our vacation together and spending time as a family even though she wasn't able to ride or see everything she wanted to.

I did write a letter to Guest Communications just asking for clarification and what I needed to do to be more clear and what is available. I will update after I receive a response.

Melinda
 
One thing about fastpasses - they are good all day once the initial time is met - so even if you needed to have a snack and administer meds, you could use the fp after the time printed.
 
We have been to WDW many times and have always been able to go through wheel chair accessable lines and most of the time the fast pass line without the fast pass. We always use regular lines if the lines are moving fairly quickly. Just wish they would have every CM be more consistant !! Every condition isn't as easily put in their categories. I should be used to it all as I spend most of my time explaining and fighting the school, doctors, hospitals, insurance companies, etc. It was just that in the past I didn't have to explain at every attraction what her needs and condition was.
For all the lines at the Studio and AK, the wheelchair line IS the regular line and has been since those parks opened (so it's not a change). Epcot has a few attractions that have wheelchair entrances, but most of the regular lines are the 'wheelchair' line. MK is the least accessible and does have more attractions with wheelchair lines. THey started making Mainstream Lines in about 1999 and have continued as they updated or added lines. So, again, not new, but emphasized more in the last few years.

One of the changes that has been made recently is really trying to have CMs enforce people with wheelchairs and ECVs using the regular lines when those lines are accessible. A lot of people assume that there are special wheelchair lines or that they need/get to use the Fastpass line with a wheelchair/ECV/GAC.
One of the things WDW has done recently (in the past year) to try to get this across to people is publishing park maps for people with disabilities. The 'handicapped access' is listed for each attraction and is almost always, "Use the Mainstream Queue." The previous Guidebooks were actually booklets and you had to go to Guest Relations to get one. The current ones are actually maps and on our recent trip, we found them at the park entrance map locations and even at our resort.
So, they are trying to make the access more 'obvious'.
I had a note explaining her condition and what the issues were (the same form letter we have had for the last 3 years) from her physician at the Univ of Fla. Some CM's at Guest Services (I was there 4 times trying to get what she needed) would read it, some would not, saying that they were not medical professionals.

Doesn't matter - we still enjoyed our vacation together and spending time as a family even though she wasn't able to ride or see everything she wanted to.

I did write a letter to Guest Communications just asking for clarification and what I needed to do to be more clear and what is available. I will update after I receive a response.

Melinda
They are not allowed to require a letter (although some people feel more confident asking about a GAC if they have a letter).
The reason they often don't look at the letters is that the letters are usually written in medical language and the CMs are not educated to read that type of language. Also, the letters often do not say anything helpful to the CMs in knowing what the person needs - i.e., if the letter says "My patient has hypoglycemia and can't wait in lines" that does not tell the CMs anything about what that person needs.
If you have not read the information about GACs in post #6 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread (or read it a long time ago), it may be helpful to read it now. It is not 'official', but it is as close to official as possible, since I have had a number of Guest Services and attraction CMs read it and give feedback.
One thing to keep in mind is that one thing that is consistent about using a GAC is that it is not always handled consistently, even the same day for the same attraction. Some of it may be variation or lack of education in CMs (for example, we had a Fastpass for an attraction and the CM looked at it, then asked if we had a GAC - that was not the correct way to handle it). But, some of the other things that happen may be because of things behind scenes that you can't see. Like, the CM may have gotten a message to that the wheelchair accessible boarding area is full or that there are already as many people with special needs on the attraction as are allowed for fire safety/evacuation rules. If that happens, they would 'hold' other people with special needs. Sometimes, the opposite happens and we have headed toward the regular line (which had a 5 minute posted wait), but we were routed to the Fastpass line. This happened to us on Buzz Lightyear several times - if we had not been to WDW often, we would probably think we were supposed to use the Fastpass Line if there was one. But, we knew that was not the norm and that the reason we were sent there was the Fastpass line is straighter and less twisty than the regular line. We did not actually get boarded any faster, it just was easier that way.
One thing about fastpasses - they are good all day once the initial time is met - so even if you needed to have a snack and administer meds, you could use the fp after the time printed.
::yes::

using Fastpasses and a touring plan may actually be more helpful for your needs than having a GAC.
You can send the quickest member of your party with all the park passes to get Fastpasses for everyone in your group. You can't come back any earlier than the time printed on the Fastpass, but you can come any time after that. And, once you enter the Fastpass line, you will usually be boarding within 10-15 minutes. Using Fastpass, you could schedule your rides around the food and medication schedule.

Other posters have used tour planning services like TourGulde Mike and RideMax to help them plan out their day. These are based on the fact that not all parks or areas of the parks are equally busy at the same time. They help you to figure out what the best times and best places are to be to avoid crowds. Many people have posted that they seldom use a GAC because with TourGuide Mike or RideMax, they have found their waits are seldom longer than 5-10 minutes.
 
I guess it is not just a show up and have fun. Just like everything else you have to research and plan. Thanks for the info SueM and Schmeck - I didn't know you could come back anytime after the initial set time for fastpasses - that would be very helpful for us.

Thanks again.

Melinda
 
We were there last week as well and didn't have many problems with our GAC. Ours was simply so our 5yr old could use our stroller as a wheelchair, so maybe that makes things simpler? This was our first time using a GAC so I didn't know what to expect. Usually we were routed to the wheelchair access line. I admit, I hated going in the regular lines where it is more like a mob of people instead of a nice orderly line. It was awful trying to push the stroller (a double) through crowded, twisty lines without bumping into anything or anyone. Tower of Terror was the worst- especially when they send you to the library and then I had to try and get out without getting trampled or trampling anyone else. In the Haunted Mansion they let us skip that crowded room part. I don't mind waiting either and we had her walk through the lines the first few days before she got too fatigued and sore, but it was so much better if she was in the stroller when we could just sit and wait for however long they wanted us to. And really, last week the lines were so low most of the time that the waits in the normal lines weren't much different and nobody was really using fastpasses much. The problem with having to actually get a fast pass is that you can only get 1 at a time. So instead of getting in line for one ride and doing the fast pass for the other you'd have to wait an hour before doing either one. Fortunately, nobody enforced that last week with us.
 
Just wanted to update .....

I received a response from my email, a CM from WDW called me and we discussed the issues that we had with the GAC and she was very kind and completely understood. She stated that each GAC is issued on a case by case basis and that it is stamped according to needs. She also said that it sounded to her like once the CM read exposure to heat they didn't read on and just stamped it for shade. She told me that she set up a Guest File on my DD and gave me the file number to be able to just give it to a CM at Guest Relations and the file would state exactly what DD's issues are and what should be on her GAC. She said that they will be able to pull up her name anytime we are there and issue the correct GAC for her everytime we visit.

The lady was extremely nice and listened. Very happy with WDW's response!!!!

Melinda
 
Melinda, I am glad you received a quick response via email and a phone call. I hope it cleared the confusion up.

As for me, ds has autism and is unable to wait in long lines. We use the GAC everytime we go and have had no issues. Now if there is barely a line at the main entrance, we will just wait in the regular line and not use the GAC.
 
I am going to close this thread because the OP found out what her problem was - they did not get the stamps that they needed on the GAC issued to her daughter.
The main point in the email she received -
a CM from WDW called me and we discussed the issues that we had with the GAC and she was very kind and completely understood. She stated that each GAC is issued on a case by case basis and that it is stamped according to needs.
is the information I have been giving out for years. There is more information about this in the disABILITIES FAQs thread in post #6.

If you are able to explain your needs, you will get as much assistance as possible. Not all attractions have the same facilities, so your GAC may not be handled exactly the same at all attractions or at all times.
Since different people have different needs, their GACs may be totally different.
If the GAC issued to you does not meet your needs, go back to Guest Relations and explain what needs were not met.

And, finally, many people have found that using a touring/planning service like TourGuide Mike or RideMax really help them as much or more than having a GAC. Even in the busiest seasons, there are times and places that are less busy. Knowing where those are so you can be there will help a lot and may be more helpful than a GAC because the GAC only works with attractions. Once you are out of attractions, you still need to deal with the crowds outside of attractions.
 
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