CFW at 7 months

[DonkeyHoTay]

That will just make the huge commercial renters an even bigger problem than they are now. Absolutely a horrible idea. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.

It would sell points - that's the redeeming quality for DVC, and it would give non-owners (which is most people when it comes to CFW) the redeeming quality of better booking windows. I don't care about commercial renters... and neither does DVC considering their half-hearted overtures to address renting overall - but that's for another thread.

 

[Patmcpsu]

Off topic, but here is my chance to bring up my idea again that DVC offer perks for people that accumulate minimum numbers of points, as an incentive to buy more points. They could reduce the booking window down from 11 months for non owners once certain thresholds (e.g. own more than some arbitrary number of points) are met, subject to owners having at least one month advantage over any non owners.

As it stands, there are three DVC membership levels (MMB, DVC-Y, DVC-N) and I think things are complicated enough as it is (both for the customers and the staff).

An extra point tier would increase it to *five* levels (MMB with higher point tier, higher point tier, MMB, DVC-Y, DVC-N). My head is already spinning.

That being said, Disney loves taking people's money... but they would need to streamline what the convoluted system would consist of. This would involve simplifying the perks and using technology to make things easier to follow.

 

[Chili327]

As it stands, there are three DVC membership levels (MMB, DVC-Y, DVC-N) and I think things are complicated enough as it is (both for the customers and the staff).

An extra point tier would increase it to *five* levels (MMB with higher point tier, higher point tier, MMB, DVC-Y, DVC-N). My head is already spinning.

That being said, Disney loves taking people's money... but they would need to streamline what the convoluted system would consist of. This would involve simplifying the perks and using technology to make things easier to follow.

Sounds like a new thread.!!

 

[Brian Noble]

An extra point tier would increase it to *five* levels (MMB with higher point tier, higher point tier, MMB, DVC-Y, DVC-N). My head is already spinning.

Wyndham has five---six if you count "no status at all"---and that's apart from their clubs-within-a-club (Presidential Reserve, Margaritaville, and now maybe Sports Illustrated.).

 

[Robclint734]

Off topic, but here is my chance to bring up my idea again that DVC offer perks for people that accumulate minimum numbers of points, as an incentive to buy more points. They could reduce the booking window down from 11 months for non owners once certain thresholds (e.g. own more than some arbitrary number of points) are met, subject to owners having at least one month advantage over any non owners.



It sure has proved difficult for me so far.... having to get lucky on waitlists. Fingers crossed for me on combining LSL with CFW!

DHT, what time of the year have you been trying to book?

 

[Mouseforward]

That will just make the huge commercial renters an even bigger problem than they are now. Absolutely a horrible idea. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.

But how do you really feel about the idea

 

[intamin]

Off topic, but here is my chance to bring up my idea again that DVC offer perks for people that accumulate minimum numbers of points, as an incentive to buy more points. They could reduce the booking window down from 11 months for non owners once certain thresholds (e.g. own more than some arbitrary number of points) are met, subject to owners having at least one month advantage over any non owners.



It sure has proved difficult for me so far.... having to get lucky on waitlists. Fingers crossed for me on combining LSL with CFW!

Just out of curiosity, knowing what you know now about booking, would you still have bought the same composition of points? Or how would you change it?

 

[disneylandtour]

Hello all, glad I found this group, it’s a great resource! We are very interested in the CFW (family of 6 under the same roof for low points). I know there is limited data points but I’m wondering any real world experience booking the cabins at 7 months in June and July? I’m a teacher so that’s the time our crew is traveling. We want to add 150 direct to go with our SSR and CCV resale but aren’t sure if buying say Poly or AKV would allow us to safely get the Cabins in the summer. Just looking for some thoughts from the seasoned veterans in this board. Thanks!

So all your points are resale and you can't monitor cabins. Do this--

(1) Go to the "Offers & Benefits" tap on your DVC portal and select "Special Add On Offers"
(2) Select the "Add On Tool." This will open another new page.
(3) By the "Cabins" section, select: "Resort Details"
(4) Then select: "Room and Points." This will bring you to a new page with offers each room category. With the cabins, there's only one room type.
(5) Click "Check Availability." This will bring you to a new page.
(6) Next to the One Bedroom Cabin section, click "Change Search" (This is different than the "Change Search" at the top of the page.)
(7) Put in any dates you like to see availability.
(8) If your search produces a response that says "partial availability in a small font, click on the phrase "partial availability" to see what dates are open.

But with this, you can monitor anything that you can't find access to through resale points.

FYI - I've been monitoring Disneyland Hotel Villas with this. They are hammered at the seven month window harder than anything other than GCV. I've been monitoring a small number of add-on direct points, looking to see where they'd make the most sense. My opinion: DH probably makes the most sense for me.

 

[Sandisw]

Off topic, but here is my chance to bring up my idea again that DVC offer perks for people that accumulate minimum numbers of points, as an incentive to buy more points. They could reduce the booking window down from 11 months for non owners once certain thresholds (e.g. own more than some arbitrary number of points) are met, subject to owners having at least one month advantage over any non owners.



It sure has proved difficult for me so far.... having to get lucky on waitlists. Fingers crossed for me on combining LSL with CFW!

I am not sure that the contract allows them to reduce home resort window like that and make it dependent on resale vs direct.

A home resort has to be the same for all owners, and the way the DVC resort is currently written, a resorts trading rights into it begin when the home resort ends.

 

[Robclint734]

So all your points are resale and you can't monitor cabins. Do this--

(1) Go to the "Offers & Benefits" tap on your DVC portal and select "Special Add On Offers"
(2) Select the "Add On Tool." This will open another new page.
(3) By the "Cabins" section, select: "Resort Details"
(4) Then select: "Room and Points." This will bring you to a new page with offers each room category. With the cabins, there's only one room type.
(5) Click "Check Availability." This will bring you to a new page.
(6) Next to the One Bedroom Cabin section, click "Change Search" (This is different than the "Change Search" at the top of the page.)
(7) Put in any dates you like to see availability.
(8) If your search produces a response that says "partial availability in a small font, click on the phrase "partial availability" to see what dates are open.

But with this, you can monitor anything that you can't find access to through resale points.

FYI - I've been monitoring Disneyland Hotel Villas with this. They are hammered at the seven month window harder than anything other than GCV. I've been monitoring a small number of add-on direct points, looking to see where they'd make the most sense. My opinion: DH probably makes the most sense for me.

Great stuff thanks!

 

[intamin]

I am not sure that the contract allows them to reduce home resort window like that and make it dependent on resale vs direct.

A home resort has to be the same for all owners, and the way the DVC resort is currently written, a resorts trading rights into it begin when the home resort ends.

Hypothetical question but do you know if home resorts can have different rules like can Riviera have for example only a 9 month home resort priority and Poly an 11 month home resort priority? And then everyone else gets access at 7 months? Of course this wouldn't happen because it would just make a giant mess but I am curious .

Also, they could technically make the home resort priority window only 1 month long correct say if home resort opened up at 11 months and then all other owners at 10 months? This would make resale owners at resale restricted resorts preseured to book at 11 months assuming there's limited inventory because otherwise people with direct points can book their inventory without being able to trade back in with a much shorter timeframe IF the resort were highly desirable and limited inventory like a BCV or BWV

 

[eticketplease]

So all your points are resale and you can't monitor cabins. Do this--

(1) Go to the "Offers & Benefits" tap on your DVC portal and select "Special Add On Offers"
(2) Select the "Add On Tool." This will open another new page.
(3) By the "Cabins" section, select: "Resort Details"
(4) Then select: "Room and Points." This will bring you to a new page with offers each room category. With the cabins, there's only one room type.
(5) Click "Check Availability." This will bring you to a new page.
(6) Next to the One Bedroom Cabin section, click "Change Search" (This is different than the "Change Search" at the top of the page.)
(7) Put in any dates you like to see availability.
(8) If your search produces a response that says "partial availability in a small font, click on the phrase "partial availability" to see what dates are open.

But with this, you can monitor anything that you can't find access to through resale points.

FYI - I've been monitoring Disneyland Hotel Villas with this. They are hammered at the seven month window harder than anything other than GCV. I've been monitoring a small number of add-on direct points, looking to see where they'd make the most sense. My opinion: DH probably makes the most sense for me.

Wow this is a great find for those that are resale only. I think it will be short lived though for RIV & VDH but I can see it working until 2075 for CFW!!

 

[eticketplease]

That will just make the huge commercial renters an even bigger problem than they are now. Absolutely a horrible idea. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.

I don’t think the commercial renters are going straight to Disney for their points so I’m not sure what the PP was proposing would have any impact on a normal basis.

 

[muppets3d]

I don’t think the commercial renters are going straight to Disney for their points so I’m not sure what the PP was proposing would have any impact on a normal basis.

No but I'm sure many of them are grandfathered in so does it really matter?

 

[eticketplease]

No but I'm sure many of them are grandfathered in so does it really matter?

Good point I was thinking about how the PP was proposing people buying new points. I wasn’t thinking about the renters sweeping up the contracts pre restrictions who would then have yet another advantage if the program was implemented.

 

[muppets3d]

Good point I was thinking about how the PP was proposing people buying new points. I wasn’t thinking about the renters sweeping up the contracts pre restrictions who would then have yet another advantage if the program was implemented.

It would have to be new resorts only because there's nothing in the Riviera contract for example that says if I own more points I get to book before everyone else. They can't change that after the fact.

 

[eticketplease]

It would have to be new resorts only because there's nothing in the Riviera contract for example that says if I own more points I get to book before everyone else. They can't change that after the fact.

Well that goes back to the point about buying straight from Disney that the commercial renters are not doing and woud not be grandfathered in…

 

[Sandisw]

Hypothetical question but do you know if home resorts can have different rules like can Riviera have for example only a 9 month home resort priority and Poly an 11 month home resort priority? And then everyone else gets access at 7 months? Of course this wouldn't happen because it would just make a giant mess but I am curious .

Also, they could technically make the home resort priority window only 1 month long correct say if home resort opened up at 11 months and then all other owners at 10 months? This would make resale owners at resale restricted resorts preseured to book at 11 months assuming there's limited inventory because otherwise people with direct points can book their inventory without being able to trade back in with a much shorter timeframe IF the resort were highly desirable and limited inventory like a BCV or BWV

Each resort can have their own rules and it’s a function of the DVC membership and DVC resort agreement.

We tend to think of things as one big pool of resorts when it comes to trades, but it’s not.

First, home resorts period snd booking rules for that can never be different based on how you acquired points.

FL timeshare law prevents that. So, no matter how you got your points, you get the same rules.

When it comes to trades, the DVC resort agreements say it opens when the home resorts period ends.

The reason that there is a restriction for RIV and beyond is because of the way those new resorts entered into BVTC per their DVC Resort Agreeement.

They entered with the rules that the only points eligible for trading in are direct and resale purchased prior to 2019, in exchange for their resale points not to be eligible for trades.

Once that happened, the fee paid to BVTC changed for those resorts. The O14 all pay a $1 per member to trade where as the restricted resorts pay a set fee, $25K

They had to change it because resale owners at RiV, VDH, and CFW don’t have access to trades.

I think in order for DVC to implement a change that gives direct points advantage to trade over resale points in BVTC, each resorts DVC Resort agreement would need to be changed.

I also agree that I can not see them making different home resort periods except when we get closer to the 2042 resorts and then I can see them extending it for those particular ones.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Well that goes back to the point about buying straight from Disney that the commercial renters are not doing and woud not be grandfathered in…

That's what I was suggesting. Direct point accumulation past certain levels gives incremental booking advantage. It's all a pipe dream anyway - DVC won't do that, not matter how much I post about it.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Just out of curiosity, knowing what you know now about booking, would you still have bought the same composition of points? Or how would you change it?

I would not change anything. I bought the OKWe points as strictly SAP; I bought the Poly favorite week (and some extra) to guarantee a December stay every year and other peak times to book at 11 months, and I bought CFW favorite week to guarantee a December stay every year and be able to bring all 6 of us (maybe more spread between PIT and CFW) and the dogs too.

My hopes and dreams about incremental booking advantage have to do with using my SAP more effectively at certain places, but since I only book 1bdrm and up with SAP it's not a real issue for me except for CFW.... 7 month availability is tough!