CDC says cancel any events with 50+ people for the NEXT EIGHT WEEKS

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Part of the problem is, you release kids from school, and parents take them to movies, trampoline parks, restaurants, ski resorts, beach resorts, etc, like it's an extended spring break... they just don't get it. In our nanny state, some people really can't help themselves.

Authorities are constantly having to change their approach, due to human behavior. They can't scream "Take this seriously" loud enough to some people.

Staying at home for 2 weeks could be awesome for a lot of families. Time they NEVER spend with the kids, is offered to them on a silver platter. Will they? Hard to say.

It's still okay to order takeout. It's still okay to do online ordering/order pickups.

The problem is it's not "just for 2 weeks" 14 days was the self-isolation period for when you may have had exposure. That is NOT about staying at home for just 2 weeks and calling it a free for all after that

Social Distancing was never given a timeline to my knowledge. It was just a vague here's what we need to do kind of thing.

Even now the limit to 50 is for public gatherings for 8 weeks but still doesn't tell anyone how long they should stay 6-10feet away from each other, to even think really hard about getting 4 to 5 people together, to do all sorts of things.

Yes, but if everyone that CAN stay home does, then it's better for those that have to work.

Again for how long though..

If your answer is "for however long they tell us" or "for however long this takes to run its course" you certainly can understand the ramifications people see in that unknown vague aspect.

I know for my husband's work there's a very real concern the VPN network couldn't handle the slew of people working from home let alone for months and months (well really all at once is a concern no matter the time line).

 

[wvjules]

I'm about to go into a meeting at 11:00 to get my marching orders to telework. I have heard rumor that we are to prepare for 8-12 weeks of it (federal employee here) so that kind of aligns with the CDC message.

Had our weekly status meeting this morning (via phone), and our government counterpart said they are working home for 1 month and will reevaluate after that. He said they are anticipating it lasting longer than the initial month.

 

[Searc]

Yes, but if everyone that CAN stay home does, then it's better for those that have to work. With that being said, if you are told to stay at home, and you don't, you are part of the problem. This has very little to do with the post you quoted about parents taking their kids to movies, etc, instead of keeping them at home.

If you have to work, who *can* stay home?

The only people staying home are teachers and others who are working from home.

 

[mombrontrent]

Do you have a link for this? I can’t find any info. about this and I have a dental appointment tomorrow morning. Lol.

I’m in Ontario and my dental office called me this morning to reschedule my two kids appointments that are supposed to be for next week. They rescheduled for end of April and said as of now they are only seeing emergencies.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

If you have to work, who *can* stay home?

The only people staying home are teachers and others who are working from home.

This is what hurts. A decent percentage of our work can be done remotely, but if you have a job that requires you to show up, you show up.

That said - it you have contact with fewer people out there because folks who can stay at home then you reduce your exposure. So it really is safer for everyone for those who can stay home to do so. Safer does not translate to "good for the economy", but having one million people die from this would not be good for the economy either.

 

[fsjking]

This is what hurts. A decent percentage of our work can be done remotely, but if you have a job that requires you to show up, you show up.

That said - it you have contact with fewer people out there because folks who can stay at home then you reduce your exposure. So it really is safer for everyone for those who can stay home to do so. Safer does not translate to "good for the economy", but having one million people die from this would not be good for the economy either.

I suspect that once this is all over, more people will die from starvation and rioting than will from the actual virus. This is going to wreck the world economy.

 

[wvjules]

My daughter is a bartender in a restaurant. MD closed all restaurants, bars, movie theaters, gyms, effective at 5pm today. She now has no job. She's worried. I could hear the shakiness in her voice when she called this morning.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I suspect that once this is all over, more people will die from starvation and rioting than will from the actual virus. This is going to wreck the world economy.

Yeah, we can agree to disagree.

 

[PlainJane]

Part of the problem is, you release kids from school, and parents take them to movies, trampoline parks, restaurants, ski resorts, beach resorts, etc, like it's an extended spring break... they just don't get it. In our nanny state, some people really can't help themselves.

Authorities are constantly having to change their approach, due to human behavior. They can't scream "Take this seriously" loud enough to some people.

Staying at home for 2 weeks could be awesome for a lot of families. Time they NEVER spend with the kids, is offered to them on a silver platter. Will they? Hard to say.

It's still okay to order takeout. It's still okay to do online ordering/order pickups.

Yes, but if everyone that CAN stay home does, then it's better for those that have to work. With that being said, if you are told to stay at home, and you don't, you are part of the problem. This has very little to do with the post you quoted about parents taking their kids to movies, etc, instead of keeping them at home.

I had to unfriend someone on Facebook because I couldn’t handle her cavalier attitude about all of this. She was taking her kids EVERYWHERE and she would post about it everyday. She was going to upwards of 4 contagion hotbeds like jump parks every single day.

This is what hurts. A decent percentage of our work can be done remotely, but if you have a job that requires you to show up, you show up.

That said - it you have contact with fewer people out there because folks who can stay at home then you reduce your exposure. So it really is safer for everyone for those who can stay home to do so. Safer does not translate to "good for the economy", but having one million people die from this would not be good for the economy either.

Currently my husband has to go. Really only part of his job requires him to leave the house, and he is essential to the functioning of society. I just wish and keep praying he’ll be able to come home for the aspects of his job that he could just as easily do at his desk at home.

Because he has to be out, it’s of even greater concern to me that people who don’t need to leave their house are and are putting him and our family at unnecessary risk.

I wish people would stop and consider that they might need an ICU bed for something other than COVID-19 in the coming weeks

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I had to unfriend someone on Facebook because I couldn’t handle her cavalier attitude about all of this. She was taking her kids EVERYWHERE and she would post about it everyday. She was going to upwards of 4 contagion hotbeds like jump parks every single day.

For every person like that there are more people who aren't. The unfortunate thing is those who are as you say more cavalier are the ones getting all the attention (maybe rightfully so) or putting the attention on themselves and those who are using precautions are not really talked about.

Discussions with extremes don't normally help the rest of the people because the people who are like that aren't likely to change their tunes. I've never seen anyone on the Boards at least advocate for just going to town in their town all willy nilly to the heck with it all

people who don’t need to leave their house are and are putting him and our family at unnecessary risk.

So much of people discussing social distancing do it in a way as to say "stay in your home don't come out" but that's actually not what is being recommended nor meant by social distancing.

"The CDC defines social distancing as it applies to COVID-19 remaining out of congregrate settings, avoiding mass gatherings, and maintaining distance (approximately 6 feet or 2 meters) from others when possible." This for some is being applied to "stay holed up in your home don't come out". It does mean certain places like malls, theaters, etc where there normally are groups of people within close contact aren't the best at the moment.

It doesn't mean "don't go to the park, don't leave your home, and whatever you do don't step foot in a store". Take precautions while you are out about absolutely, including washing your hands (like normal) when you're out touching things and use wipes or sanitizer if washing your hands isn't feasible.

These definitions of course may change but as of right now that's what they are.

 

[Heather07438]

Why didn’t they have this reaction with the flu, which has infected and killed more people?

So far...

The potential devastation is magnitudes worse than flu. That's why the big concern. This is not the flu.

 

[Disneylover99]

I’m in Ontario and my dental office called me this morning to reschedule my two kids appointments that are supposed to be for next week. They rescheduled for end of April and said as of now they are only seeing emergencies.

I called my dentist first thing this morning to cancel. They were happy I did. I’m glad they are still seeing emergencies.

 

[NotUrsula]

I've posted this on other threads but I put it here too since it directly relates. Schools and businesses are excluded from the CDC recommendation. My question is - what constitutes a business in this case? Technically, most of what has been shut down are businesses,

What it means are "workplaces". (And yes, that includes call centers, which are horrible breeding grounds for illness even at the best of times. CDC really needs to impose some infrastructure rules on those.)

The way it was explained to me by a scientist friend is that people who have been working together for awhile have already spread around whatever someone had, and they have developed a certain amount of herd immunity. All that is disrupted when you add new people to the mix, especially when those new people are only briefly interacting. What they are saying here is that functions that involve physical interaction with customers/clients should be shut down unless the interaction is a medical necessity, but established small workplace groups may continue to interact under social distancing rules at lower risk. Not zero risk, but lower.

My workplace is still operational, but this morning they ordered anyone who had used public transportation of any kind in the past 14 days to go home and self quarantine for another 14. We are located on the edge of suburbia; most employees here at least have one vehicle in the household, but it's a crunchy kind of place, so minimizing carbon footprint is popular. Ix-nay on the crunchy habits for awhile.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Holy crap! The wuhan virus is not captain trips.
They are going way overboard.
Why didn’t they have this reaction with the flu, which has infected and killed more people?
The majority of people who died have other serious illnesses that contributed to their death. I wish that they could list the age and health of all the people who have died of the virus.
At least 80% or more of people who get the virus have mild symptoms and survive just fine.
The constant coverage and fearmongering by the media is adding to the problems.

Unwarranted panic doesn't do any good, but neither does ill informed complacency. Flu related death rate is .1% Actual corona death rate is estimated long term to be 2% though it is running higher in total right now. But what really sets Covid 19 apart is the fraction of cases that are severe. In China 5% of cases required the ICU and 15% of cases required hospitalization. In Italy those numbers are 15% and 50% The hospitalization rate from the flu is 0.5% Even if we can come in at say 10% or even 5% hospitalization, which would be far better than either of those two countries, unlike the flu, Corona threatens to swiftly overwhelm our healthcare system's ability to handle it if we do not take steps to try and slow the spread of this.

Hospital beds per 1,000
Japan 13.2
Korea 12.3
Germany 8.0
France 6.0
China 4.3
Italy 3.2
United States. 2.8


And Italy shows us that once the healthcare system is overwhelmed, the death rate goes up quite a bit. It's 3.5 times the estimated long term trend and double the current measured rate. Hence why measures are needed right now here so that hopefully we'll be able to head that kind of scenario off. We've been very lucky in that we had more time to react than they had. But that time has come and gone in several places and in others is quickly running out. New York and Washington are pretty much to the point where Wuhan was when the Chinese completely shut it down.

 

[wilbret]

My daughter is a bartender in a restaurant. MD closed all restaurants, bars, movie theaters, gyms, effective at 5pm today. She now has no job. She's worried. I could hear the shakiness in her voice when she called this morning.

That stinks, for sure. This is all so unprecedented. I think we all have family members dealing with stuff like this right now, we just have to rely on each other where we can. I have cousins in Boston that work at a restaurant, and they are out of income. I have cousins in LA that are in the entertainment biz, and they are out of income. I do believe unemployment restrictions were lifted, so there's hopefully some relief there. Hopefully landlords will be rational. Utilities are going to be rational.

Let's see

 

[ErinWonderland]

Be ready for grounded airlines very soon.


My daughters college is done- they notified them Friday they need to clean out dorms and be gone by Tuesday. Right now bars and restaurants in Boston are closed (you can get take out but no dine in) here in NY schools closed in city till April 20 and maybe till the end of the school year.

I'm in South Jersey, on Friday our district did the same. Shut down school until April 20 and will reevaluate.

 

[SaintsManiac]

Our teachers are still working for now. It's just students at home.

 

[Christine]

Had our weekly status meeting this morning (via phone), and our government counterpart said they are working home for 1 month and will reevaluate after that. He said they are anticipating it lasting longer than the initial month.

OK, back from the meeting. Tomorrow is our "test" telework day where everyone works standard hours. After that, we go into a more fluid mode and can work when the system allows the most efficiency (could be weekends, could be the middle of the night). They said to expect 8-12 weeks of telework.

 

[pryncess527]

NEW PROPOSAL from
@MittRomney
: “Every American adult should immediately receive $1,000 to help ensure families and workers can meet their short-term obligations and increase spending in the economy

 

[Searc]

The Wisconsin Governor has banned all gatherings of 50 or more people, with the exception of grocery stores, hospitals, childcare, food pantries and pharmacies.