CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[dvcgirl67]

From reading these boards, I think so much of anyone's out look is colored by where they are and what's being done regarding the pandemic. I'm in a rural area of a very red state. Lots of calls of "government tyranny!" regarding masks, etc. As a physician, who just had a local ER doctor friend die of Covid, I'm tired of the public not owning up to the fact that people are dying and a good chunk could be prevented if they'd just take some personal responsibility and/or actually care about their neighbors.

Off my soap box.

Yes, it's not getting worse because of mutations, that I know of, but I think it's still on point that we need to still say things are getting worse. I know people are tired of the pandemic. I'm tired of the pandemic. Telling them it's simply getting better because now we're vaccinating is not going to help the short term future.

Very sorry to hear about your friend. 100% agree on your comments. It's not getting worse *yet* because of the new variants, but simply due to a spike thanks to gatherings over the holiday. It *looks* like cases may have peaked and I believe that hospitalizations may have peaked in all four regions of the country. Deaths continue to climb. That doesn't mean that there aren't pockets where hospitals are overwhelmed....because there certainly are.

From what I can understand, there's concern that these new variants will become more prevalent and we'll see yet another spike late winter into spring/summer. I'm wondering how much we know about efficacy now that so many more people are getting the vaccine. My ears perked up when some congresspeople tested positive for Covid after sheltering in a room for four hours with their peers who refused to wear masks...during the capitol mob attack. I know three tested positive, and one congresswoman was hospitalized...she's 75 and a cancer survivor. I wondered if they'd received the vaccine....they did. They all got their second dose at some point last week. And I saw this today...that a congressman from NY tested positive yesterday. This article doesn't say if he was in that same room during the Capitol attack....so he's not one of the other three. I know that it takes 1-2 weeks after the second dose to get "full efficacy". But I've also read that the first dose could provide a very high amount of efficacy...I've seen up to 90%. The question was supposedly how long the immunity would last. Now....I'm wondering if that's the case. We have a least three congresspeople who got the virus from someone else in that room. And those congresspeople were all wearing masks. I'm not saying this is some huge thing to worry about, but it did catch my attention.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/ny-rep-espaillat-diagnosed-with-covid-19-after-getting-vaccine/

 

[KBoopaloo]

Very sorry to hear about your friend. 100% agree on your comments. It's not getting worse *yet* because of the new variants, but simply due to a spike thanks to gatherings over the holiday. It *looks* like cases may have peaked and I believe that hospitalizations may have peaked in all four regions of the country. Deaths continue to climb. That doesn't mean that there aren't pockets where hospitals are overwhelmed....because there certainly are.

From what I can understand, there's concern that these new variants will become more prevalent and we'll see yet another spike late winter into spring/summer. I'm wondering how much we know about efficacy now that so many more people are getting the vaccine. My ears perked up when some congresspeople tested positive for Covid after sheltering in a room for four hours with their peers who refused to wear masks...during the capitol mob attack. I know three tested positive, and one congresswoman was hospitalized...she's 75 and a cancer survivor. I wondered if they'd received the vaccine....they did. They all got their second dose at some point last week. And I saw this today...that a congressman from NY tested positive yesterday. This article doesn't say if he was in that same room during the Capitol attack....so he's not one of the other three. I know that it takes 1-2 weeks after the second dose to get "full efficacy". But I've also read that the first dose could provide a very high amount of efficacy...I've seen up to 90%. The question was supposedly how long the immunity would last. Now....I'm wondering if that's the case. We have a least three congresspeople who got the virus from someone else in that room. And those congresspeople were all wearing masks. I'm not saying this is some huge thing to worry about, but it did catch my attention.

https://nypost.com/2021/01/14/ny-rep-espaillat-diagnosed-with-covid-19-after-getting-vaccine/

I believe all of the members of Congress who tested positive after the events last week had only had their first shot before the exposure and in at least two cases, the first shot had only been administered two days before on Jan 4. So they would not have had much protection at all from the vaccine at that point.

It’s also unclear to me how long they were all stuck in that room together with some folks masked and some not but I believe there was some period in the Chamber where many took their regular masks off to put gas masks on so there was ample other opportunity for exposure beyond the time they spent in the safe room.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/01/13/capitol-riot-lockdown-coronavirus-vaccine/

 

[disneypharm]

Not sure that this matters all that much since many states seem to be struggling with distributing the vaccines they already have but it does appear to be an issue for some places that had announced expanded vaccination efforts starting in the next week to ten days (like Oregon) or states that were expecting additional vaccines as reward for moving quickly (like West Virginia and Connecticut).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350097480642424836

So, basically, they lied. Shocking, ha Our governor is furious!

 

[gwynne]

So, basically, they lied. Shocking, ha Our governor is furious!

It's truly despicable.

 

[disneypharm]

So, our state doesn't seem to have any distribution issues. Majority of high risk healthcare professionals and long-term car facilities have been vaccinated. They are starting on individuals 70 and older on Monday. All vaccines remaining will be used by Sunday and we were expecting to get the reserves from Feds but since that will not happen, we will get the smaller expected amount starting next week, so I think if we could get more vaccines delivered, more people would get the vaccine.

 

[DLgal]

My parents in FL are over 70 with high risk conditions and could not get an appointment sooner than March 2. It's absolutely bonkers.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

So, basically, they lied. Shocking, ha Our governor is furious!

It's truly despicable.

I mean, is anyone surprised? Anyone? The pandemic response from this administration has been pathetic...no matter how you want to dice or slice it. We'll see how the next one does I guess....the bar is super low, so there's that.

Here in NJ...we're at a whopping 4% of adults over 18....and we're 5 weeks in. Hoping supply picks up really soon, because now in my state we are saying that anyone over 65, and anyone with pre-existing conditions as dictated by the CDC....which means, pretty much everyone else.

But isn't that what people wanted in the end? Didn't so many people here want them to just release it all and vaccinate as quickly as possible. So are we just mad that they did it at the end of the month instead of 2 weeks later? I don't want to get into it politically though I can understand being upset that it wasn't communicated because that messed with the state's plan.

I agree with the other person about each hand not talking to each other, the end goal was the same and was completed as many people screamed for even though there was a looming risk of what happens if you run out that seemed to be largely ignored (it shouldn't have been), but there was a supreme lack of communication.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My parents in FL are over 70 with high risk conditions and could not get an appointment sooner than March 2. It's absolutely bonkers.

I can understand that in FL though there's a lot of seniors in that state (and some other issues I think people have touched on in other threads about who is also eligible). They should have relocated to that county that was doing a first come first serve and just camped out...(I'm being facetious here). Question are you able to cancel a future appointment if an earlier one becomes suddenly available?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

there was a looming risk of what happens if you run out

A couple of Canadian posters explained that's happening in their provinces with reserves depleted and promised amount of doses that are now unable to be given. Pfizer is about to have a disruption soon as they expand manufacturer facilities in Europe that will be impacting the amount of doses they can send out (I think it was a 50% reduction). From the article one of them posted they expect the week of Jan 25th to be the most heavily impacted but running into issues a bit before that, through February and getting back in March.

This issue wasn't ever a U.S. issue. Of course we have our own issues that can exacerbate this soooo badly but supply related to production or physical doses in hand (as opposed to promised doses from the manufacturer) and one's accounted for for the 2nd doses are issues that can come up all around the world. I just hope our issues here in the U.S. don't run off into catastrophe YKWIM?

 

[dvcgirl67]

But isn't that what people wanted in the end? Didn't so many people here want them to just release it all and vaccinate as quickly as possible. So are we just mad that they did it at the end of the month instead of 2 weeks later? I don't want to get into it politically though I can understand being upset that it wasn't communicated because that messed with the state's plan.

I agree with the other person about each hand not talking to each other, the end goal was the same and was completed as many people screamed for even though there was a looming risk of what happens if you run out that seemed to be largely ignored (it shouldn't have been), but there was a supreme lack of communication.

No...they lied *after* they said that there was more supply. The supply was already gone. They were already pulling second doses right off the manufacturing line. Apparently there isn't someone in the administration that can *count* at Warp Speed.

Here's the quote... "When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans. The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available beginning at the end of December, taking second doses directly off the manufacturing line."

 

[KBoopaloo]

But isn't that what people wanted in the end? Didn't so many people here want them to just release it all and vaccinate as quickly as possible. So are we just mad that they did it at the end of the month instead of 2 weeks later? I don't want to get into it politically though I can understand being upset that it wasn't communicated because that messed with the state's plan.

I agree with the other person about each hand not talking to each other, the end goal was the same and was completed as many people screamed for even though there was a looming risk of what happens if you run out that seemed to be largely ignored (it shouldn't have been), but there was a supreme lack of communication.

Except that some states were planning expanded access based on an expected larger quantity of vaccine to distribute which just didn’t exist. They were basically saying “we’ll release the stockpile for you” when they had already done it. So now states that went ahead and opened up appointments based on what they thought they were going to have will have to cancel and reschedule, burdening an already overloaded system. No one is upset that they released the stockpile, they’re upset that the administration led them to believe there were still vaccines in stockpile when that was not the case so everyone is now working with a smaller than anticipated supply.

This kind of roll out is incredibly complicated and there were always going to be snags along the way but it makes it much harder when you are not getting accurate info from the folks in charge of the initial distribution.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

No...they lied *after* they said that there was more supply. The supply was already gone. They were already pulling second doses right off the manufacturing line. Apparently there isn't someone in the administration that can *count* at Warp Speed.

Here's the quote... "When Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced this week that the federal government would begin releasing coronavirus vaccine doses held in reserve for second shots, no such reserve existed, according to state and federal officials briefed on distribution plans. The Trump administration had already begun shipping out what was available beginning at the end of December, taking second doses directly off the manufacturing line."

Except that some states were planning expanded access based on an expected larger quantity of vaccine to distribute which just didn’t exist. They were basically saying “we’ll release the stockpile for you” when they had already done it. So now states that went ahead and opened up appointments based on what they thought they were going to have will have to cancel and reschedule, burdening an already overloaded system. No one is upset that they released the stockpile, they’re upset that the administration led them to believe there were still vaccines in stockpile when that was not the case so everyone is now working with a smaller than anticipated supply.

This kind of roll out is incredibly complicated and there were always going to be snags along the way but it makes it much harder when you are not getting accurate info from the folks in charge of the initial distribution.

I understand what both of you are saying and I don't disagree. But what I was trying to say is I remember many people here upset, saying it's such a mistake to hold back that they need to just release them and release them now that we need more vaccines going to place. I remember being worried about that because what happens when the supply runs out. Remember Gottleib said we should just do it all and in the slim risk (in his opinion) that the next shipment wouldn't be there. Well looks like from what that person is saying that's happening in Canada and europe and they went with the plan that so many here said they should and now they have issues.


Of course you shouldn't be covert about taking doses off the line never telling anyone, there is no reason to even defend that.

I don't think people realize no one is going to win here. They don't have enough doses because of what the government paid for everyone is mad, they use a strategy they think is more conservative many people are mad at that, not enough doses are getting to the states everyone is mad at that, slow distribution everyone is mad at that, someone has higher priority over another many people are mad at that, can't get an appointment til some date everyone is mad at that. We cannot have it all. Do I think it was right to pull off the second line without telling people? Not in a million years do I think that is right. I do know that what people wanted is exactly what happened=more supply out there and that we shouldn't hold any in reserve. The states just didn't have any idea that they were already dealing with increased supply and no more would be there later on.

I'm ranting here and I know it but it's tiring seeing sometimes that no matter what happens the same people complain about it. I want to be clear again that I can't defend the decision to not tell the states what they did.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

A couple of Canadian posters explained that's happening in their provinces with reserves depleted and promised amount of doses that are now unable to be given. Pfizer is about to have a disruption soon as they expand manufacturer facilities in Europe that will be impacting the amount of doses they can send out (I think it was a 50% reduction). From the article one of them posted they expect the week of Jan 25th to be the most heavily impacted but running into issues a bit before that, through February and getting back in March.

This issue wasn't ever a U.S. issue. Of course we have our own issues that can exacerbate this soooo badly but supply related to production or physical doses in hand (as opposed to promised doses from the manufacturer) and one's accounted for for the 2nd doses are issues that can come up all around the world. I just hope our issues here in the U.S. don't run off into catastrophe YKWIM?

Well that is concerning! Hope it ends up working out in the end. I want to try and optimistic that it's early on enough that it won't be as big of a deal in the end.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Of course you shouldn't be covert about taking doses off the line never telling anyone, there is no reason to even defend that.

That's my only point here. Just tell us the truth. And I understand that the "truth" from a scientific point is an ever evolving thing. I get that. I don't get, or forgive mismanagement on a grand scale like we're seeing here. Pure and simple logistical mismanagement on a grand scale. You don't put out a statement promising vaccine supply that is not there. Before you make that statement, you maybe pick up the phone and make sure the supply is there. There is a lot of blame to go around in this pandemic response, but Alex Azar may be the winner of the "worst of the worst" award. Pathetic.

 

[dvcgirl67]

And this from the C.D.C today, to expect a huge surge in cases thanks to the new variants that are expected to really take hold by March. So here's the thing....if I'm in charge, I would 110% mandate vaccines for anyone working in nursing homes, hospitals or clinical settings. You don't like it....go find another job. I was a nurse, and I had to get a boatload of vaccines to be able to work in that setting. Enough of the nonsense with all of this...."my constitutional rights"....with masks, vaccines...etc. I'm so over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/15/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Pyotr]

My parents in FL are over 70 with high risk conditions and could not get an appointment sooner than March 2. It's absolutely bonkers.

Where in Florida? I’m in the Tampa area and I was able to get vaccines appointments for my parents without too many issues. My dad had his first shot last Saturday and my mom yesterday.

Next week I’m going to get my in-laws appointments.

 

[DLgal]

Where in Florida? I’m in the Tampa area and I was able to get vaccines appointments for my parents without too many issues. My dad had his first shot last Saturday and my mom yesterday.

Next week I’m going to get my in-laws appointments.

Kissimmee area. They cannot wait in hours long lines. They will keep trying for an earlier appointment.

 

[DeeBee3]

I'm not getting into all the previous posts, but I am having a HELL of a time trying to make an appt for my mom and aunt. Here in NYS. There is no website to do it and the phone number literally does not work - it just tells you they are inundated and it hangs up. The local counties are complaining because the state determines how many doses they get. Both my mom and aunt are over 75 and have comorbidities. My complaint is that no one knows what's going on! Their physicians say they don't know and you can't even contact the state. The local county has a note online telling you not to call.

I would fell better being able to make an appt even if way in the future. Right now you can't do anything.

I checked out the DOH in FL and they have dozens of sites to go for an appt. I'm not saying you can go tomorrow and get one, but at least they have a website up and running and you can contact someone.

At least have your online scheduling system up to date after all these months.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

That's my only point here. Just tell us the truth. And I understand that the "truth" from a scientific point is an ever evolving thing. I get that. I don't get, or forgive mismanagement on a grand scale like we're seeing here. Pure and simple logistical mismanagement on a grand scale. You don't put out a statement promising vaccine supply that is not there. Before you make that statement, you maybe pick up the phone and make sure the supply is there. There is a lot of blame to go around in this pandemic response, but Alex Azar may be the winner of the "worst of the worst" award. Pathetic.

Well it's not just happening here though with promising vaccine supply like the other person was mentioning and I do agree with them that this was never just a U.S. issue for the main thing to keep in mind that the shipments are a tricky, uncertain thing. No one should be purposefully deceiving anyone. But in your comment you were talking about more than this issue. But I'm going to move on. We don't disagree on telling the truth so there's that

 

[Pyotr]

Kissimmee area. They cannot wait in hours long lines. They will keep trying for an earlier appointment.

I would try for the Plant City site in Hillsborough. It’s a decent drive from Kissimmee but totally doable. This week Hillsborough got 9,000 doses. When they open up again I’m signing up my in-laws.