CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[AvidDisReader]

Hi all- just back from WDW. Of course we followed all the protocols, but by day 4 it was kind of frustrating knowing I am fully vaccinated, but still had to wear the mask. So I did a little research. There are approx. 330 mm people in US, of those 60 mm are 14 years old or younger. Of the remaining 270mm left, 51 mm are fully vaccinated and 143mm have at least on shot (or over 50% of the above 14 yo population). I just have to wonder when there will be a critical mass of people who are going to refuse to use masks since they are fully vaccinated. I just hope places like WDW are making plans to start to reduce the requirement. I saw 2 different incidents where people at WDW were maxed out on the protocols, and security had to step in.

 

[helloconnie]

Biden announced today that 90% of adults will be eligible for vaccine by April 19.

Colorado just announced all adults will be eligible starting this Friday.

 

[RamblingMad]

Hi all- just back from WDW. Of course we followed all the protocols, but by day 4 it was kind of frustrating knowing I am fully vaccinated, but still had to wear the mask. So I did a little research. There are approx. 330 mm people in US, of those 60 mm are 14 years old or younger. Of the remaining 270mm left, 51 mm are fully vaccinated and 143mm have at least on shot (or over 50% of the above 14 yo population). I just have to wonder when there will be a critical mass of people who are going to refuse to use masks since they are fully vaccinated. I just hope places like WDW are making plans to start to reduce the requirement. I saw 2 different incidents where people at WDW were maxed out on the protocols, and security had to step in.

The best guess now is that you need 70% of the total population fully vaccinated.

The mask mandate has been dropped here in AZ, but businesses still mostly require it. Restaurants and bars seem to be the venues that don’t require them now. With a positivity rate over 5%, it’s just a matter of time before we have another surge here.

 

[Colleen27]

Hi all- just back from WDW. Of course we followed all the protocols, but by day 4 it was kind of frustrating knowing I am fully vaccinated, but still had to wear the mask. So I did a little research. There are approx. 330 mm people in US, of those 60 mm are 14 years old or younger. Of the remaining 270mm left, 51 mm are fully vaccinated and 143mm have at least on shot (or over 50% of the above 14 yo population). I just have to wonder when there will be a critical mass of people who are going to refuse to use masks since they are fully vaccinated. I just hope places like WDW are making plans to start to reduce the requirement. I saw 2 different incidents where people at WDW were maxed out on the protocols, and security had to step in.

Realistically, I don't expect to see mask mandates eased until everyone has access to vaccination, and not just in the "if you look hard enough and the stars align, you're eligible to get an appointment" sense. There's simply no way to manage a middle ground where the vaccinated can go without masks and the unvaccinated are still expected to use them, and it is in everyone's best interests to try to limit spread until the vaccine can manage to do so (which is still likely some way off - we're seeing increasing rates locally even in counties where 40-50% of the population have had at least one dose of vaccine). We're already seeing, in my area, "But I'm vaccinated!" becoming a new rallying cry for those who want to disregard businesses' mask rules, and probably at least some of them attempting to make that argument are not in fact vaccinated at all (only about 25% of my county has had even a single dose). It is simply an effort to make enforcing the mandate such a hassle for businesses that they give up, and an excuse for behavior that should never be excused. I don't care how "maxed out" you feel about wearing a mask, if security has to step in, you're way out of line.

 

[KingAugie]

Biden announced today that 90% of adults will be eligible for vaccine by April 19.

Colorado just announced all adults will be eligible starting this Friday.

That is great but it doesn't make a difference if there are no appointments available for those now eligible.
I'm driving my kids 2 1/2 hours away to get theirs because that is the closest with available appointments.
There are no state sites in my county of 300K people and trying to get an appointment at a pharmacy is absolutely impossible. Last week I read that up in one county they had 1000's of appointments just left waiting to be filled

 

[helloconnie]

I admittedly didn't pay the most attention to your first post but when you said by 4/16 everyone who have gotten their first dose would have gotten their second were you including Moderna with a 28 day time frame? Because if my husband had actually gotten Moderna on his original appointment date of 3/25 (rather than 3/27 with Pfizer) he wouldn't have gotten his second dose by 4/16.

Our in-laws are just now getting their second dose of Moderna 3/31. Our second dose of Pfizer is right on 4/16.

Some places are scheduling later on too than originally prescribed.

Its a sliding scale calculation using a three week interval between doses. I know Moderna is a four week interval but this is really just to show that by mid-May any adult who wants a vaccine should be vaccinated and by the end of May, almost all should be fully covered with the efficacy rates of the vaccines by the end of May. These numbers are even a little conservative as the rate of vaccination this last week was higher than the rate I used and more mass vaccination sites are opening up. If the last weeks rate holds or increases, the dates tighten. Bottom line: by Memorial Day weekend the vast majority of adults will be fully vaccinated and fully covered. Hopefully, that will help restrictions to be eased and businesses to reopen fully. And it will allow people to have summer vacations.

 

[helloconnie]

That is great but it doesn't make a difference if there are no appointments available for those now eligible.
I'm driving my kids 2 1/2 hours away to get theirs because that is the closest with available appointments.
There are no state sites in my county of 300K people and trying to get an appointment at a pharmacy is absolutely impossible. Last week I read that up in one county they had 1000's of appointments just left waiting to be filled

Yep. That’s the issue now. The supply is there it’s getting it into arms. And I feel your pain. My hubby and I drove 3.5 hours across state last Thursday to get our first dose at a mass vaccination center because we could not get appointments locally. BTW, the federal government is opening two more mass vaccination centers this weekend. I think more and more states are doing mass vaccination events too.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

We're already seeing, in my area, "But I'm vaccinated!" becoming a new rallying cry for those who want to disregard businesses' mask rules,

This was a concern I had and based on the opinions I've seen shared on this Board throughout threads people may get to that point where even though they followed the rules before they simply don't see a point any longer because they've got their protection they are good now (a neither positive nor negative comment just the way you can see it going). I think that will become a stronger pull as more people have their family and social circles get vaccinated because the people they are most around have protection as well. I mentioned on another thread dropping all restrictions when you've just made people eligible does not mean those people are vaccinated. So while I agree with the whole "once everyone can get it" viewpoint you have to add time for the vaccinations to work and for people to have those appointments.

And FWIW I am concerned about myself as well. I have to keep telling myself I need to keep vigilant for some more time, it's not going to do others the good if I can't keep up with measures I've been doing for so long now. Wearing a mask at the store or the restaurant when you're vaccinated is an annoyance I'm sure but if we all had this whole "we're different ships in the same storm" for so long let's keep that up that even though we all have different situations going on, different stressors, we're still in the same storm, vaccinated or not.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Cases are surging in MI. NJ and FL are also seeing an uptick. If you live in those places, be careful. The rest of the country is doing pretty good.

However, one of my friends sent me that headline. They’re changing their behavior because of it, which is unexpected.

I heard today that NJ now has the highest cases per capita in the U.S. My county is in the top two of cases surging, and we don't border the city. One hypothesis is this is occurring because I live in a county where people are commuting to NYC....and they're bringing it back from there. But....I will tell you right now....that's not true, because people are not commuting to NYC. The NYT reported that the number of commuters is 10%....legit, 10% of what it was in 2019.

I think the CDC director was emotional today because we're in that race against the clock....getting people vaccinated vs. people dying and they are very concerned about existing variants (especially South Africa and Brazil)....and any that may pop up. She's pleading with leaders and Americans to hang on a bit longer until we get more people vaccinated.

I have a few customers out of town this week who took flights to destinations in the U.S....and one couple to Mexico. They said that the airports and flights were packed. So....we'll see where we go from here I guess.

 

[Colleen27]

And my county is, right now, the very model of exponential growth: since the start of this month, cases per 100K have doubled every week, from 11 on March 1 to 22 on March 8 to 49 on March 15.

We've now blown past our previous peak, with our numbers continuing to double each week. Our March 22 case rate per 100K is 104 and climbing, with the last few days of last week seeing daily reports in the 130s.

And another weekly update from the train wreck that is my corner of Michigan: On March 29, we're at 171 cases per 100K and a positivity percentage of a stunning 24%.

Statewide, hospitalizations jumped by 400 (21%) over the weekend; the shape of the upward slope in hospitalizations is just as sharp as it was in November, which suggests that having a majority of seniors vaccinated isn't enough to have the hoped-for effect on hospitalizations. The only good spot of news is that we're a month into the rise in hospitalizations but are not yet seeing an increase in deaths.

 

[KingAugie]

Yep. That’s the issue now. The supply is there it’s getting it into arms. And I feel your pain. My hubby and I drove 3.5 hours across state last Thursday to get our first dose at a mass vaccination center because we could not get appointments locally. BTW, the federal government is opening two more mass vaccination centers this weekend. I think more and more states are doing mass vaccination events too.

Tomorrow another age group opens here and then a week later all people 16+ will be eligible. Hopefully they add sites, even if they are just pop-ups.

 

[RamblingMad]

I heard today that NJ now has the highest cases per capita in the U.S. My county is in the top two of cases surging, and we don't border the city. One hypothesis is this is occurring because I live in a county where people are commuting to NYC....and they're bringing it back from there. But....I will tell you right now....that's not true, because people are not commuting to NYC. The NYT reported that the number of commuters is 10%....legit, 10% of what it was in 2019.

I think the CDC director was emotional today because we're in that race against the clock....getting people vaccinated vs. people dying and they are very concerned about existing variants (especially South Africa and Brazil)....and any that may pop up. She's pleading with leaders and Americans to hang on a bit longer until we get more people vaccinated.

I have a few customers out of town this week who took flights to destinations in the U.S....and one couple to Mexico. They said that the airports and flights were packed. So....we'll see where we go from here I guess.

My best guess it’s due the the UK Variant, especially in MI.

 

[Colleen27]

That is great but it doesn't make a difference if there are no appointments available for those now eligible.
I'm driving my kids 2 1/2 hours away to get theirs because that is the closest with available appointments.
There are no state sites in my county of 300K people and trying to get an appointment at a pharmacy is absolutely impossible. Last week I read that up in one county they had 1000's of appointments just left waiting to be filled

We're going away over Easter break and I'm watching for appointments near the house we're renting for DH. He's holding out on the J&J shot, which is mostly going to pharmacies in my state and seems to be mostly going to rural areas. Up there, there are literally hundreds of appointments available - almost every 5 minutes from 8 am to 7 pm, Wed. through Sat. of this week. Hopefully it will be the same next week, because around me, it is still hard to get any appointment and impossible to be choosy about which vaccine you get or when you get it.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Hi all- just back from WDW. Of course we followed all the protocols, but by day 4 it was kind of frustrating knowing I am fully vaccinated, but still had to wear the mask. So I did a little research. There are approx. 330 mm people in US, of those 60 mm are 14 years old or younger. Of the remaining 270mm left, 51 mm are fully vaccinated and 143mm have at least on shot (or over 50% of the above 14 yo population). I just have to wonder when there will be a critical mass of people who are going to refuse to use masks since they are fully vaccinated. I just hope places like WDW are making plans to start to reduce the requirement. I saw 2 different incidents where people at WDW were maxed out on the protocols, and security had to step in.

We were at WDW recently. Only incident I saw was a CM going nuts over a toddler eating crackers sitting in a stroller while it was moving. Otherwise...nothing unusual by today's standards.

 

[Joe in VA]

Insane that Virginia is still 65+ for vax except health conditions/certain jobs. Has to be the only state in top 20 population to have such a high age cutoff.

 

[KingAugie]

We're going away over Easter break and I'm watching for appointments near the house we're renting for DH. He's holding out on the J&J shot, which is mostly going to pharmacies in my state and seems to be mostly going to rural areas. Up there, there are literally hundreds of appointments available - almost every 5 minutes from 8 am to 7 pm, Wed. through Sat. of this week. Hopefully it will be the same next week, because around me, it is still hard to get any appointment and impossible to be choosy about which vaccine you get or when you get it.

Good luck, I hope you're able to find one.

Insane that Virginia is still 65+ for vax except health conditions/certain jobs. Has to be the only state in top 20 population to have such a high age cutoff.

That is insane, I can't believe it hasn't opened up beyond that by now.

 

[KrazeeK120]

Insane that Virginia is still 65+ for vax except health conditions/certain jobs. Has to be the only state in top 20 population to have such a high age cutoff.

I’m in Illinois, which I believe is in the top 5 in population. It’s the same here (65+/certain jobs/underlying health conditions). Vaccinations aren’t available to the general public until April 12.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Welcome back. Glad you had a great trip. I've been listening to a oouple of Disney podcasts (to live vicariously through others), and they have been reporting that crowds are increasing and that the parks feel busy again. They say some of that is because the "people eater" attractions like Indiana Jones, Lion King...etc, aren't operating, but also that parks are reaching capacity on some days. And over the holiday break that some passes to even enter the parks are all gone.

I re-joined these forums in early 2020 because I was looking past the South Africa trip that we didn't take....to possibly fall of 2021 for a WDW trip. We haven't been in a long time and thought it would be fun. Now, even though we'll be vaxxed, I won't return until Disney is back to normal with longer hours, fast passes....etc.

Hours were great. Parks were roughly open for twelve hours day. Wasn't as stressful as last fall. Many shops, some quick dining (mainly the ice cream shop on Main Street) and other attractions are still closed. Now add...no FP ability, abbreviated menus and/or nada monorail service to EPCOT. Just a few on my list that I hope changes soon. Although park reservations and no FP is likely here for a while. They have added a bit of music and more character siting. Overall enjoyed the trip. I ready to go back already

 

[dclpluto]

I’m in Illinois, which I believe is in the top 5 in population. It’s the same here (65+/certain jobs/underlying health conditions). Vaccinations aren’t available to the general public until April 12.

you are now 6. Pa is now five as Illinois is losing population and pa is growing

 

[RamblingMad]

Looks like this is the first school to require a vaccine to attend.

https://www.rutgers.edu/news/rutgers-require-covid-19-vaccine-students