CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[huskies90]

Sorry if my response was harsh. I said what I did because I felt the comments were unsolicited. I never said we were nervous about traveling without being fully vaccinated. But I can understand how what I said might have come across that way.

Keep in mind that when you say "I would do" or "you should do" you are giving your opinion which is totally fine but realize that you are also doing some level of social media/public shaming. That has been a problem with our entire Covid situation and while I am sure people think it is harmless, it is doing more damage than you may think. If you have teenagers or 20 something kids, you might be more aware of how much weight the written word on social media holds. I am an old man so it doesn't bother me. But by now, we at the point that people are going to do what they feel comfortable with. I would rather see people just wish people well rather than trying to tell them what they should do or think.

Again, we are rule followers. Whether it is masks, social distancing or vaccines. But what we feel comfortable doing might not be the same as others. And we have our reasons for feeling the way we do which I won't go into. Some things we do may seem more risky to others and things we see others do sometimes seem risky to us. My guess is there are things you all do that others might not agree with. Follow the rules, get vaccinated, stay safe and live your life within the guidelines the best you can. Life is short.

 

[huskies90]

The band Guster is on CNBC right now talking about concerts and festivals in the post Covid world. Very interesting stuff as we see what the world might look like soon.

One of my favorite bands. Love Guster!!!

 

[Jonfw2]

Sorry if my response was harsh. I said what I did because if felt the comments were unsolicited. I never said we were nervous about traveling without being fully vaccinated. But I can understand how what I said might have come across that way.

Keep in mind that when you say "I would do" or "you should do" you are giving your opinion which is totally fine but realize that you are also doing some level of social media/public shaming. That has been a problem with our entire Covid situation and while I am sure people think it is harmless, it is doing more damage than you may think. If you have teenagers or 20 something kids, you might be more aware of how much weight the written word on social media holds. I am an old man so it doesn't bother me. But by now, we at the point that people are going to do what they feel comfortable with. I would rather see people just wish people well rather than trying to tell them what they should do or think.

Again, we are rule followers. Whether it is masks, social distancing or vaccines. But what we feel comfortable doing might not be the same as others. And we have our reasons for feeling the way we do which I won't go into. Some things we do may seem more risky to others and things we see others do sometimes seem risky to us. My guess is there are things you all do that others might not agree with. Follow the rules, get vaccinated, stay safe and live your life within the guidelines the best you can. Life is short.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I would rather see people just wish people well rather than trying to tell them what they should do or think.

I really don't mean this at all in some bad way but you really can't dictate how people respond to you. I don't believe for one second any of us three were trying to shame you or pass judgement on you but that doesn't mean we had to just say what you wanted us to say because you didn't like what we said. That's not fair. You say it doesn't bother you but it seems like it did.

Maybe the opinions and how a certain area did something will help someone else, we've had people on this thread feel hesitant about getting the vaccine when they were eligible because they felt someone else may need it more, we've had people struggle very much to get appointments, we've had people share information so much about the process in their areas and what the did for the appointments and a lot more. Maybe it could help another poster out and that's worth discussing to me

Let's move on

 

[Heigh-Ho]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/29/cdc...a-covid-vaccines-was-80percent-effective.html
CDC study shows single dose was 80% effective in real world. Pretty powerful stuff.

Excellent news but I think it's more important to stress this "However, he said he worries that people will now think one dose of the vaccines is “good enough” and won’t return for a second shot. He said studies have shown immunity appears to be actually more “durable” after the second dose, meaning protection may last longer. The reason that they are two dose vaccines is that the second doses give you a titer of neutralizing antibodies, virus-specific neutralizing antibodies that is almost 10 growth fold greater than after the first dose,” he told CNBC. Neutralizing antibodies play an important role in defending cells against the virus. Secondly, and more importantly, scientists also detect so-called T cells, another important part of the immune response that usually provides longer-lasting immunity, he said."

The very last thing we need is people deciding upon themselves to just drop and not get the second dose. If the U.S. wants to just drop the second dose and that is given the all clear by the health officials in charge that is different than someone seeing "80% meh no need to get the second shot now I'm in the clear".

Also extremely and very very very important: "The majority of the participants were female, white and had no chronic medical conditions, according to the CDC." Women on average tend to have better immune systems, they didn't have underlying medical conditions which many Americans do, and with all this talk of minorities it cannot be stressed enough that in the medical community they are still underrepresented.

I really appreciate you sharing this information but I think the stress shouldn't be on the headline. It's really hard to convince some people as is to get a vaccine. Let's get a study out there in the real world because contrary to your comment it really isn't. It was just under 4,000 health care workers, majority white healthy women. Not real world at all though I don't want that to come across poorly as I say that.

 

[huskies90]

Let's move on

OK let's get back to the vaccines...Sharing this cute video to get us back on track (warning: you will be humming this tune all day).

 

[RamblingMad]

And now a new headline. CDC warns of impending doom over at Bloomberg. Gotta love the whiplash of headlines today.

 

[dvcgirl67]

More Gottleib: he thinks we will avoid a Fall surge as well, unless a variant is able to pierce the vaccines and previous infection immunity- which he does not see as likely.

I sure hope he’s right about this.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Sorry if my response was harsh. I said what I did because if felt the comments were unsolicited. I never said we were nervous about traveling without being fully vaccinated. But I can understand how what I said might have come across that way.

Keep in mind that when you say "I would do" or "you should do" you are giving your opinion which is totally fine but realize that you are also doing some level of social media/public shaming. That has been a problem with our entire Covid situation and while I am sure people think it is harmless, it is doing more damage than you may think. If you have teenagers or 20 something kids, you might be more aware of how much weight the written word on social media holds. I am an old man so it doesn't bother me. But by now, we at the point that people are going to do what they feel comfortable with. I would rather see people just wish people well rather than trying to tell them what they should do or think.

Again, we are rule followers. Whether it is masks, social distancing or vaccines. But what we feel comfortable doing might not be the same as others. And we have our reasons for feeling the way we do which I won't go into. Some things we do may seem more risky to others and things we see others do sometimes seem risky to us. My guess is there are things you all do that others might not agree with. Follow the rules, get vaccinated, stay safe and live your life within the guidelines the best you can. Life is short.

Fair enough. But might a make a suggestion that if you don’t want feedback on your comments, you either don’t make them or add a note that you’re not looking for feedback, just sharing. Because truthfully what you’re asking is not the nature of a message board.

That said, I don’t think anybody was shaming you. And people in general are better off not commenting/posting if they don’t want opinions because we’re all full of them. And most people aren’t afraid to share them. So in my opinion, it’s up to the poster to decide how much they want to share knowing there will be feedback both directions.

 

[godisney14]

Also extremely and very very very important: "The majority of the participants were female, white and had no chronic medical conditions, according to the CDC." Women on average tend to have better immune systems, they didn't have underlying medical conditions which many Americans do, and with all this talk of minorities it cannot be stressed enough that in the medical community they are still underrepresented.

I really appreciate you sharing this information but I think the stress shouldn't be on the headline. It's really hard to convince some people as is to get a vaccine. Let's get a study out there in the real world because contrary to your comment it really isn't. It was just under 4,000 health care workers, majority white healthy women. Not real world at all though I don't want that to come across poorly as I say that.

Yea, seriously. Cannot stress that enough.

Now people reading that news are going to assume the results from the healthiest population, and least likely to catch it, applies to everyone eligible for the vaccine.

Might as well give the vaccine to kids at a school and conclude that the efficacy is 99.9%.

 

[Colleen27]

Also extremely and very very very important: "The majority of the participants were female, white and had no chronic medical conditions, according to the CDC." Women on average tend to have better immune systems, they didn't have underlying medical conditions which many Americans do, and with all this talk of minorities it cannot be stressed enough that in the medical community they are still underrepresented.

I really appreciate you sharing this information but I think the stress shouldn't be on the headline. It's really hard to convince some people as is to get a vaccine. Let's get a study out there in the real world because contrary to your comment it really isn't. It was just under 4,000 health care workers, majority white healthy women. Not real world at all though I don't want that to come across poorly as I say that.

Yea, seriously. Cannot stress that enough.

Now people reading that news are going to assume the results from the healthiest population, and least likely to catch it, applies to everyone eligible for the vaccine.

If you look up the study itself, it is not as far from the real world as both of these posts make it out to be. Majority women, yes, but on a 60/40 split so there are still a statistically significant number of men included. The "no underlying conditions" was determined based on self-reporting, but it is well established that people tend not to include conditions for which they are not actively under medical care (like overweight/obese, smoking, etc.) in such questionnaires and rates of sub-clinical "lifestyle" conditions are not lower among medical professionals than in the population as a whole. The black community is underrepresented (as you might expect from the geographic profile of the sample), but the percentage of participants who are Hispanic is representative of the population as a whole (17% in the study, 18% in the population). And because the study group was made up of medical professionals and first responders, the entire group was at higher risk of exposure than the population as a whole.

But again and again, we see this rush to discount any good news at all as being meaningless or hopelessly flawed because some people just don't trust the general public with any good news or reason for hope at all.

 

[disneychick0412]

And now a new headline. CDC warns of impending doom over at Bloomberg. Gotta love the whiplash of headlines today.

I was coming to this thread to see if anyone had mentioned this.
What is the purpose of this?
If the vaccines are helping, why the impending doom? Whiplash for sure!!
I'm so tired of all this.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

If you look up the study itself, it is not as far from the real world as both of these posts make it out to be. Majority women, yes, but on a 60/40 split so there are still a statistically significant number of men included. The "no underlying conditions" was determined based on self-reporting, but it is well established that people tend not to include conditions for which they are not actively under medical care (like overweight/obese, smoking, etc.) in such questionnaires and rates of sub-clinical "lifestyle" conditions are not lower among medical professionals than in the population as a whole. The black community is underrepresented (as you might expect from the geographic profile of the sample), but the percentage of participants who are Hispanic is representative of the population as a whole (17% in the study, 18% in the population). And because the study group was made up of medical professionals and first responders, the entire group was at higher risk of exposure than the population as a whole.

But again and again, we see this rush to discount any good news at all as being meaningless or hopelessly flawed because some people just don't trust the general public with any good news or reason for hope at all.

Thank you for your information. I do want to set a record straight. I am NOT trying to discount any good news. I do believe concentrating on the headline doesn't do the public service. We know far too people will read the article and maybe it's just me but the last thing I want people to do is just get one dose and say forget about the second because they saw that and think they are protected enough. I think we can agree that's a certainty among some people at least. Until it's been given the go ahead to only take one dose we need to get two and that scientific information given about the immune system response, t-cells, and robustness of the immunity is something someone who doesn't want to get the second shot is unlikely to even pay attention to.

I didn't say it was hopelessly flawed or meaningless. I was talking about the real world aspect, even the article mentioned limitations. As far as self-reporting well we can only go off their words and that's what the information is going to be based off of. If people aren't being honest then how could you say the number is accurate? Wouldn't you just be calling into question the findings? I don't think you can have it both ways. Either you take the study for what it was with self-reported answers of health conditions or you question that they were honest and if you question they were honest then you have to question the results found. Maybe that ends up being better for the efficacy, maybe not.

 

[helloconnie]

Yesterday I posted a table with numbers reflecting when we would hit 100% vaccinated based on the current rate of vaccination. I based my numbers on total US population. Below are updated numbers based on over 18 years old since the children's vaccine is not yet available. At a rate of vaccination of roughly 17,425,000 shots per week, the entire US Adult Population would be vaccinated by the end of May. The numbers of those younger than 18 (16-18 years old) getting vaccinated are really low right now. Hopefully, that will pick-up.

Last week was an all time high with 19.3 million shots being administered. There are almost 24 million shots available right now and this week's shipment coming out soon. So the vaccine is out there, its just getting an appointment to get it administered.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several weeks. Polls still show somewhere between 25-30% of adults will not get the vaccine. If that is true, then by the end of April everyone who wants vaccinated should have the shots.

The chart starts with 4/16, since everyone who has one dose should have their second dose by then. Then I applied the weekly vaccination rate as those would get their first dose this week will have their second dose by 4/23, on so on.

Note: J&J promised 20 million doses by the end of March. They have just over 15 million to still be delivered by the end of the week.

	Over 18
Date	Fully Vaccinated	% of Pop	Addtl J&J**
By 4/16	147,216,137​	57.7%​
By 4/23	164,643,137​	64.6%​
By 4/30	182,070,137​	71.4%​
By 4/30*	197,123,837​	77.3%​
By 5/7	214,550,837​	84.1%​	216,550,837​	84.9%​
By 5/14	231,977,837​	91.0%​	235,977,837​	92.5%​
By 5/21	249,404,837​	97.8%​	255,404,837​	100.1%​
By 5/28	266,831,837​	104.6%​	274,831,837​	107.8%​
*Assumes J&J delivers remaining 15,053,700 doses due by 3/2021
**Assumes J&J delivers 2,000,000 doses a week after initial 20M

 

[EACarlson]

My company started vaccinating people at our on site medical clinic last week. They will do another 40 this week after 60 last week. I just got the call and am scheduled for my second shot on Friday, another 4.5 hr drive to get there. I will look at Walgreens on Thursday morning to see if I can find a Moderna shot locally to save myself that drive but to me it's more important to get the second one when I can.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yesterday I posted a table with numbers reflecting when we would hit 100% vaccinated based on the current rate of vaccination. I based my numbers on total US population. Below are updated numbers based on over 18 years old since the children's vaccine is not yet available. At a rate of vaccination of roughly 17,425,000 shots per week, the entire US Adult Population would be vaccinated by the end of May. The numbers of those younger than 18 (16-18 years old) getting vaccinated are really low right now. Hopefully, that will pick-up.

Last week was an all time high with 19.3 million shots being administered. There are almost 24 million shots available right now and this week's shipment coming out soon. So the vaccine is out there, its just getting an appointment to get it administered.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several weeks. Polls still show somewhere between 25-30% of adults will not get the vaccine. If that is true, then by the end of April everyone who wants vaccinated should have the shots.

The chart starts with 4/16, since everyone who has one dose should have their second dose by then. Then I applied the weekly vaccination rate as those would get their first dose this week will have their second dose by 4/23, on so on.

Note: J&J promised 20 million doses by the end of March. They have just over 15 million to still be delivered by the end of the week.

	Over 18
Date	Fully Vaccinated	% of Pop	Addtl J&J**
By 4/16	147,216,137​	57.7%​
By 4/23	164,643,137​	64.6%​
By 4/30	182,070,137​	71.4%​
By 4/30*	197,123,837​	77.3%​
By 5/7	214,550,837​	84.1%​	216,550,837​	84.9%​
By 5/14	231,977,837​	91.0%​	235,977,837​	92.5%​
By 5/21	249,404,837​	97.8%​	255,404,837​	100.1%​
By 5/28	266,831,837​	104.6%​	274,831,837​	107.8%​
*Assumes J&J delivers remaining 15,053,700 doses due by 3/2021
**Assumes J&J delivers 2,000,000 doses a week after initial 20M

I admittedly didn't pay the most attention to your first post but when you said by 4/16 everyone who have gotten their first dose would have gotten their second were you including Moderna with a 28 day time frame? Because if my husband had actually gotten Moderna on his original appointment date of 3/25 (rather than 3/27 with Pfizer) he wouldn't have gotten his second dose by 4/16.

Our in-laws are just now getting their second dose of Moderna 3/31. Our second dose of Pfizer is right on 4/16.

Some places are scheduling later on too than originally prescribed.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My company started vaccinating people at our on site medical clinic last week. They will do another 40 this week after 60 last week. I just got the call and am scheduled for my second shot on Friday, another 4.5 hr drive to get there. I will look at Walgreens on Thursday morning to see if I can find a Moderna shot locally to save myself that drive but to me it's more important to get the second one when I can.

Glad you were able to at least get the 2nd shot known though the drive is a bummer.

 

[tink2424]

Deleted as someone already posted the same thoughts I had...

 

[RamblingMad]

I was coming to this thread to see if anyone had mentioned this.
What is the purpose of this?
If the vaccines are helping, why the impending doom? Whiplash for sure!!
I'm so tired of all this.

Cases are surging in MI. NJ and FL are also seeing an uptick. If you live in those places, be careful. The rest of the country is doing pretty good.

However, one of my friends sent me that headline. They’re changing their behavior because of it, which is unexpected.

 

[godisney14]

Cases are surging in MI. NJ and FL are also seeing an uptick. If you live in those places, be careful. The rest of the country is doing pretty good.

However, one of my friends sent me that headline. They’re changing their behavior because of it, which is unexpected.

Its many more states than just those three seeing a reversal of trendline upward. Some even worse than those states per capita.
NY, IL, PA, OH, NC, IN, MA, VA, CO, MD, IA, WA, WV, RI, MA, NH, AK, HI, ME, VT