CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[DisneyJamieCA]

Yes, and every virologist does not agree on these things. Neither do all doctor's agree. Science isn't nearly as black & white as everyone wants to make it out to be. The media just inflames everyone with doom & gloom to get higher ratings as well as to keep people controlled.

The fact is that the vaccines target multiple locations on the virus and as such are likely to have an issue with the variants. Again if the spike protein mutates so far away from what it is now then it isn't the same virus anymore and that isn't how mutations usually work.

Also, the rest of the world is not vaccinating in nearly the same time frame as we are. Should we shut down even when are cases are super low just because we could get another variant from another country? It's absurd. We will have to live with COVID forever now and we should take precautions but not change our lives. But it is hard to tell people who are very afraid to think logically instead of emotionally..

Being dismissive like this doesn't help your case. There hasn't been any recent discussion to show that people are "very afraid". Those of us who have expressed concern are thinking logically. Nobody here thinks Covid is going away - but a vaccine is a precaution we have available to us. And nobody said anything about shutting down.

If you want to have a real conversations, I'm all for it. But as was pointed out earlier, those are impossible to have when words are taken to the extreme and completely out of context.

 

[godisney14]

Again if the spike protein mutates so far away from what it is now then it isn't the same virus anymore and that isn't how mutations usually work.

So, you’re doubling down on that idea. You’re going to have to explain further. That made zero sense.

 

[Mango7100]

Yes, and every virologist does not agree on these things. Neither do all doctor's agree. Science isn't nearly as black & white as everyone wants to make it out to be. The media just inflames everyone with doom & gloom to get higher ratings as well as to keep people controlled.

The fact is that the vaccines target multiple locations on the virus and as such are likely to have an issue with the variants. Again if the spike protein mutates so far away from what it is now then it isn't the same virus anymore and that isn't how mutations usually work.

Also, the rest of the world is not vaccinating in nearly the same time frame as we are. Should we shut down even when are cases are super low just because we could get another variant from another country? It's absurd. We will have to live with COVID forever now and we should take precautions but not change our lives. But it is hard to tell people who are very afraid to think logically instead of emotionally..

As someone with a doctorate degree in a medical field, I understand that science isn’t black and white. There are various theories in many aspects of science—some eventually are proven and some aren’t. Medicine is somewhat of an art form itself. I also have enough self awareness to realize I’m not an expert on COViD...

I am so tired of anyone who raises a concern about how we are moving forward being labeled as “fearful” or being seen as some idiot who falls for the media’s mass manipulation. There is a difference between total fear and having a healthy respect for a relatively new contagion that we only have 16 months of understanding on.

No one on here is saying everyone should hide in their houses and never interact with any one again. I’m certainly not—I’m going on vacation once adults in my family are vaccinated. But I don’t think it is prudent to have large indoor events or have giant gatherings with no mitigation efforts. More and more states are dropping all mitigation guidelines—while some restrictions should be eased, I don’t think it is wise to drop everything. Does that make me so afraid that I can’t think logically? There are many medical experts who are saying the same thing...let’s not take our eye off the ball. Of course there’s disagreement between professionals. People tend to discount any medical professional who doesn’t agree with their viewpoint as “wrong”. Well, I would guess to say most of those “wrong” experts (like Fauci as many on here have pointed out) still know a heck of a lot more than anyone on here who does their own “internet research”...

Hopefully vaccination efforts continue to clip along, and we continue to improve in various metrics. Hopefully herd immunity is achieved soon. But nobody knows how it will play out. No one wants to go backward. Everyone wants this to be controlled as much as possible. To not even consider that our gains could start to slip away is myopic. When you publish a peer reviewed paper, you have to address the limitations of your study. Your peers pick it apart to find any flaws. It is part of the scientific process to consider all possibilities.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

So in some good news, CA is at our lowest positivity rate at 1.8% and only 1,260 new cases over the last day statewide. Eight weeks ago, we were at 53,000 new cases a day.

 

[Colleen27]

So in some good news, CA is at our lowest positivity rate at 1.8% and only 1,260 new cases over the last day statewide. Eight weeks ago, we were at 53,000 new cases a day.

Wow, that's impressive!

More troubling numbers here in Michigan - another day of over 2,000 cases and our positivity percentage has gone from 4% last week to 8% now. The three closest public high schools to me have reported outbreaks. Most alarming, though, is a 12% increase in the number of hospitalized patients over the weekend, putting us back over 1000 for the first time in over a month. I'm hoping Jon's right, that this is a "darkest before the dawn" situation and that it doesn't end up being a trigger for a third round of shutdowns and restrictions.

 

[DLgal]

So in some good news, CA is at our lowest positivity rate at 1.8% and only 1,260 new cases over the last day statewide. Eight weeks ago, we were at 53,000 new cases a day.

Caveat time:
The CalREDI database had a massive logging error last Sunday that has affected today's case counts and death counts state wide. Whomp whomp. Our county mentioned that they will be monitoring the situation over the coming days, but expect lower numbers this week."

Our county posted only 23 positive cases today. There is no way that is accurate.

 

[dvcgirl67]

As someone with a doctorate degree in a medical field, I understand that science isn’t black and white. There are various theories in many aspects of science—some eventually are proven and some aren’t. Medicine is somewhat of an art form itself. I also have enough self awareness to realize I’m not an expert on COViD...

I am so tired of anyone who raises a concern about how we are moving forward being labeled as “fearful” or being seen as some idiot who falls for the media’s mass manipulation. There is a difference between total fear and having a healthy respect for a relatively new contagion that we only have 16 months of understanding on.

No one on here is saying everyone should hide in their houses and never interact with any one again. I’m certainly not—I’m going on vacation once adults in my family are vaccinated. But I don’t think it is prudent to have large indoor events or have giant gatherings with no mitigation efforts. More and more states are dropping all mitigation guidelines—while some restrictions should be eased, I don’t think it is wise to drop everything. Does that make me so afraid that I can’t think logically? There are many medical experts who are saying the same thing...let’s not take our eye off the ball. Of course there’s disagreement between professionals. People tend to discount any medical professional who doesn’t agree with their viewpoint as “wrong”. Well, I would guess to say most of those “wrong” experts (like Fauci as many on here have pointed out) still know a heck of a lot more than anyone on here who does their own “internet research”...

Hopefully vaccination efforts continue to clip along, and we continue to improve in various metrics. Hopefully herd immunity is achieved soon. But nobody knows how it will play out. No one wants to go backward. Everyone wants this to be controlled as much as possible. To not even consider that our gains could start to slip away is myopic. When you publish a peer reviewed paper, you have to address the limitations of your study. Your peers pick it apart to find any flaws. It is part of the scientific process to consider all possibilities.

100% agree with you. Just because I feel like a have a healthy dose of respect for this virus, doesn't mean that I'm somehow rooting for this madness to continue. Or that I don't understand that the media writes headlines designed to draw views and clicks.

And I also have enough of an understanding about how a virus works to comprehend that we're still not out of the woods. Yes, so far the vaccines appear to adequately handle the worst of the variants that we are aware of to date. And while we are seeing that cases are *way* down from the peak of January 2021, the levels where we are now are still very high. In my state we definitely plateaued last week, and this week it appears we're ticking up. Our transmission rate is up above 1.0 again...at 1.03. So we've got community transmission. And while I'm super relieved that the vaccines seem to be able to deal with the variants, what is always in the back of my mind is a variant popping up that completely evades the vaccines. Even then, I understand we wouldn't be back at square one. However, from what I've read, the vaccine producers would need 6-8 weeks to come up with a booster, then it needs to be produced in the billions....and get into billions of arms, all over again.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Caveat time:
The CalREDI database had a massive logging error last Sunday that has affected today's case counts and death counts state wide. Whomp whomp. Our county mentioned that they will be monitoring the situation over the coming days, but expect lower numbers this week."

Our county posted only 23 positive cases today. There is no way that is accurate.

Good to know. I only saw the story on our local news station which quoted Newsom today. So I don't know more than that.

 

[DLgal]

Good to know. I only saw the story on our local news station which quoted Newsom today. So I don't know more than that.

The county just clarified it was a maintenance issue and the server was taken offline for a majority of the day, so most tests that were reported Sunday have not yet shown up in case counts.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

The county just clarified it was a maintenance issue and the server was taken offline for a majority of the day, so most tests that were reported Sunday have not yet shown up in case counts.

and I just went back and reread the article. Hard to tell if it's actually something Newsom said or they just combined stories. Leaning towards the latter.

 

[Joe in VA]

Cases fall from 56,000 last Tuesday to 52,600 today, a modest decrease, but we're still falling. Deaths fall from 1,700 to 1,200, a staggering 29% decrease from last Tuesday. Definitely seeing the impact of the majority of seniors being vaccinated now.

 

[Jonfw2]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-are-ridiculous-get-your-shot-live-your-life/

 

[jlwhitney]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-are-ridiculous-get-your-shot-live-your-life/

Finally some sense, not that the CDC will listen.

 

[charmed59]

The cases in our area has stagnated at the same level we were at in mid December. The good news is the average age of those cases has dropped.

I was hoping due to the large percentage of those over 65 in our county (62%!) we would hit herd immunity soon. Unfortunately only 61% of our seniors have opted to get vaccinated, a much lower number than most the state. Now to get to 75% of our county vaccinated we need pretty much everyone under 65 vaccinated.

 

[Joe in VA]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-are-ridiculous-get-your-shot-live-your-life/

Maybe the best take I've read from a major publication during the entire year of Covid.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Finally some sense, not that the CDC will listen.

Can't see the article because of the paywall but it appears to be an editorial. Not sure anyone is in the business of listening to opinion pieces, thankfully.

 

[jlwhitney]

Can't see the article because of the paywall but it appears to be an editorial. Not sure anyone is in the business of listening to opinion pieces, thankfully.

Basically that CDC/Biden's rules for the vaccinated are ridiculous and yes they are and many also agree and its really going to cause issues getting the younger/healthier to get vaccinated. Too many say why bother if nothing changes.

 

[ShirikiUtundu]

Basically that CDC/Biden's rules for the vaccinated are ridiculous and yes they are and many also agree and its really going to cause issues getting the younger/healthier to get vaccinated. Too many say why bother if nothing changes.

Things have already changed. Once the vaccination availability and strategy becomes more robust, the changes will happen even more quickly. People refusing to get vaccinated are also holding up the process.

 

[jlwhitney]

Things have already changed. Once the vaccination availability and strategy becomes more robust, the changes will happen even more quickly. People refusing to get vaccinated are also holding up the process.

They are only holding up in the states that won't move forward, states that keep opening eligibility are doing better. The hold up will be more noticeable come late april/may.

The general public has no confidence that things will change though.

 

[mom2rtk]

They are only holding up in the states that won't move forward, states that keep opening eligibility are doing better. The hold up will be more noticeable come late april/may.

The general public has no confidence that things will change though.

Why would they have confidence with this kind of stuff going on?

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/11/biden-new-covid-workplace-rules-475473
Adding such requirements from the national government at this point in the game seems onerous. Perhaps if numbers were showing a different story. But I don't get where this is coming from.

I think the public is ready to be vaccinated and move on. Which means they'll likely ignore regulations they think go too far for where we are in this.

There will reach a point soon where everyone who wants a vaccine can have one. At that point they should decide for themselves if they want to be protected.

There's also a very real risk that if people feel life won't change post vaccine, they will simply choose not to be vaccinated. This is a serious risk that must be considered.