CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[tink2424]

New York area sports teams have already started using one, via a mobile app called Excelsior.

Just the clarify I believe that app allows EITHER a vaccine OR a negative COVID test which is the way we should be going. Not forcing vaccinations.

 

[DLgal]

I have run clinical trials for a living for the past 18 years and this is a bit crazy. I'm very surprised with the amount of money people are claiming they are getting for participation in these trials. This seems very excessive as the norm is about $25 per visit. You can get more if there is more involved in the visit or the time of the visit is extremely long but I can't see how this got by the ethics committee. Seems like it is coercive.

They pay $225/in person visit with a 10 visit commitment. If you opt to do a Zoom appointment instead, it is $50 per visit. There are a mandated 6 in person visits (screening, shot #1, shot #2, sample collections 1, 2 and 3). The rest of the in person visits are interview style. If you get sick with Covid symptoms during the study, they lay an additional $225 for up to 3 sample collection "visits." They send a courier to pick up self collected samples and bring them back to the lab.

The price is meant to reimburse for time and travel. The first visit alone is 4 hours long.

At this point, whatever gets them the number of participants needed is what they will do. This is also in the Los Angeles area. Reimbursement may be location dependent.

I get lots of ads for clinical trials in my area. Most pay in excess of $1000.

 

[tink2424]

They pay $225/in person visit with a 10 visit commitment. If you opt to do a Zoom appointment instead, it is $50 per visit. There are a mandated 6 in person visits (screening, shot #1, shot #2, sample collections 1, 2 and 3). The rest of the in person visits are interview style. If you get sick with Covid symptoms during the study, they lay an additional $225 for up to 3 sample collection "visits." They send a courier to pick up self collected samples and bring them back to the lab.

The price is meant to reimburse for time and travel. The first visit alone is 4 hours long.

At this point, whatever gets them the number of participants needed is what they will do. This is also in the Los Angeles area. Reimbursement may be location dependent.

I get lots of ads for clinical trials in my area. Most pay in excess of $1000.

I understand but this has not been my experience for any study that I have ever run. I'm currently doing a trial in children that we do lumbar punctures every 2 weeks with an infusion and we don't pay anywhere close to that for their time/travel. Still seems coercive. There are many trials that take a few hours per visit and they don't pay that much per visit. Something doesn't seem right.

I will get off this topic now since I don't want to derail the thread but this is very concerning.

 

[DLgal]

I understand but this has not been my experience for any study that I have ever run. I'm currently doing a trial in children that we do lumbar punctures every 2 weeks with an infusion and we don't pay anywhere close to that for their time/travel. Still seems coercive. There are many trials that take a few hours per visit and they don't pay that much per visit. Something doesn't seem right.

I will get off this topic now since I don't want to derail the thread but this is very concerning.

But that sounds like a clinical trial as treatment protocol. I would imagine there would be different rules for that type of thing.

I see nothing concerning about the pay for this trial. It requires a 2 year commitment and several weekly logs in addition to the in person visits. You get paid after each visit and can walk away from the study anytime, so I imagine many won't actually make it all the way to the end and collect the full amount.

The study is the J&J Ensemble2 study. The protocol including pay was approved by the IRB and ethics committee. I have the paperwork.

 

[Mango7100]

I have run clinical trials for a living for the past 18 years and this is a bit crazy. I'm very surprised with the amount of money people are claiming they are getting for participation in these trials. This seems very excessive as the norm is about $25 per visit. You can get more if there is more involved in the visit or the time of the visit is extremely long but I can't see how this got by the ethics committee. Seems like it is coercive.

I was in the Novavax vaccine trial and was paid $150 per visit.

 

[Colleen27]

Encouraging if it holds true, but sure makes sense!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.y...rica-could-avoid-a-fourth-wave-100020317.html

I think they may be ignoring the indoor/outdoor factor, as so many predictions and analyses have for the last year. Several states in the northern part of the country are posting concerning trends despite being less open than Florida, but we're opening at a time of year when all dining is indoor dining, all gatherings are indoor gatherings, etc. while Florida is doing so at a time when their weather is most conducive to being outdoors. FL's cases per 100K and positivity rate are still higher than ours, but the numbers are going down there and up here so I expect that will reverse in the next week or two... and it might point to a potential for the southern states that saw summer surges and later winter peaks to avoid a fourth wave, simply because of the growing number of vaccinated people, but that lesson doesn't necessarily apply to the country as a whole.

Florida needs to open up eligibility to more groups. Just randomly checking local pharmacies and I could schedule appointments next week at multiple CVS and Walgreens. It’s rather frustrating.

Not sure if they're doing it down there, but some of the pharmacy chains here are still limiting their appointments to certain groups even though the state has opened it up to more. Rite Aid is only scheduling appointments for teachers, first responders and those over 65, even though the state is now vaccinating 50+, factory workers, and a number of other sub-groups. It is frustrating to see on the vaccine finder sites because almost every Rite Aid in the area has available appointments... but I cannot get an appointment for my husband or son, both of whom qualify based on their professions under state guidelines. Right now, the only places that have actually opened up appointments to the newly-added groups are the government-run sites, which are the hardest to get appointments for and the least flexible in terms of trying to get an appointment that doesn't require a day off of work.

 

[Jonfw2]

Just got my second dose. Waiting to be released into the wild. Not sure what I’ll do with my powers first...

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

While I'm not really wanting to go into the whole "supply is increase" spiel I was just reading a story about my state. They don't anticipate having enough vaccines coming from the Federal government to meet the demand of the residents (aged 16+) until June.

They have the vaccinations sites that can handle 10X the amount of vaccine presently being sent their way and as a whole the state can handle 5X the capacity of vaccines they are getting from the Federal government.

Meanwhile my husband was talking with a vendor in Abilene, TX where they opened it up to anyone 16+ because they do not have enough interest in getting the vaccine so they have too much of it.

______________________
Wonder if we should in a month or so re-evaluate things and maybe have states that have excess supply of vaccine give it to states that still need it? It really doesn't matter in the topic being discussed how much the U.S. gets because that isn't going to mean so and so in X state in Y county in Z city is able to get it. But if some states have had enough time to ensure all parts of their state are covered in interest level and still have excess vaccine might be something to send the vaccine on its way to places that aren't getting enough.

 

[DLgal]

Soooo...I'm out of the clinical trial. I called before my appointment to get some clarification on the protocol since what I was told didn't match the consent form. I didn't want to drive all that way in the rain for nothing.

Basically I was originally told it was a 1 dose vs 2 dose trial, but the paperwork said it was 2 real doses or 2 placebos. They indicated they are trying to get permission to alter the protocol and drop the placebo, BUT it is pending review and it will be several weeks until they get an answer, although they expect to get approval for the change. The study doctor said if I enroll, there is a 50/50 chance I will end up with placebos, and if they alter the protocol, they will call placebo recipients back for the real shot and randomly assign them to either the 1 or 2 shot protocol. And then the clock starts over.

I had already decided not to sign up for a placebo controlled trial at this point in time, while we already have 3 approved vaccines on the market. And since there is no timeline of when they might make this change, I bowed out.

PLUS, I found out that I qualify to get the vaccine as a "healthcare worker" due to being the primary caregiver of children with developmental and intellectual disabilities. The state Department of Developmental Services put out a letter clarifying that eligibility. I found an appointment at CVS this Friday for the first Pfizer shot. I also already scheduled the second for April 10.

 

[Jonfw2]

Soooo...I'm out of the clinical trial. I called before my appointment to get some clarification on the protocol since what I was told didn't match the consent form. I didn't want to drive all that way in the rain for nothing.

Basically I was originally told it was a 1 dose vs 2 dose trial, but the paperwork said it was 2 real doses or 2 placebos. They indicated they are trying to get permission to alter the protocol and drop the placebo, BUT it is pending review and it will be several weeks until they get an answer, although they expect to get approval for the change. The study doctor said if I enroll, there is a 50/50 chance I will end up with placebos, and if they alter the protocol, they will call placebo recipients back for the real shot and randomly assign them to either the 1 or 2 shot protocol. And then the clock starts over.

I had already decided not to sign up for a placebo controlled trial at this point in time, while we already have 3 approved vaccines on the market. And since there is no timeline of when they might make this change, I bowed out.

PLUS, I found out that I qualify to get the vaccine as a "healthcare worker" due to being the primary caregiver of children with developmental and intellectual disabilities. The state Department of Developmental Services put out a letter clarifying that eligibility. I found an appointment at CVS this Friday for the first Pfizer shot. I also already scheduled the second for April 10.

So...June then?

 

[DLgal]

So...June then?

Well, thankfully not, although I am kind of exploiting a loop hole. I felt really crappy registering as a healthcare worker.

Although, our county decided to include GIRL SCOUT TROOP LEADERS as "child care workers" last week, making them eligible. I mean, what the heck is that about?

I felt less badly about it after my friend pointed that out.

I'm still gonna pay attention to how long it takes a non priority group 40 something healthy individual to be eligible to get vaccinated in my county. I'm still betting on June for that. Our county moved away from their July 4 goal and now says "summer 2021" for general population availability.

 

[Southernmiss]

Vaccines are now open to all adults over 18 in Mississippi! My 20-something year old son and his wife have appointments tomorrow for their first vaccine. Hoping our 2 other unvaccinated children will be able get theirs soon.

Update: the other 2 college kids have 1st appointments for this week!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

PLUS, I found out that I qualify to get the vaccine as a "healthcare worker" due to being the primary caregiver of children with developmental and intellectual disabilities. The state Department of Developmental Services put out a letter clarifying that eligibility. I found an appointment at CVS this Friday for the first Pfizer shot. I also already scheduled the second for April 10.

I'm excited for you getting that appointment! Must be such a relief

 

[DLgal]

I'm excited for you getting that appointment! Must be such a relief

It is! It is also a HUGE relief to my husband, who is already fully vaccinated. He has been so anxious that I was going to get sick with Covid and be hospitalized or die and then he would be left alone with the kids. It has been a huge fear of his. Having special needs kids can be so scary when you have to think about one or both parents no longer being in the picture.

 

[Colleen27]

While I'm not really wanting to go into the whole "supply is increase" spiel I was just reading a story about my state. They don't anticipate having enough vaccines coming from the Federal government to meet the demand of the residents (aged 16+) until June.

They have the vaccinations sites that can handle 10X the amount of vaccine presently being sent their way and as a whole the state can handle 5X the capacity of vaccines they are getting from the Federal government.

Meanwhile my husband was talking with a vendor in Abilene, TX where they opened it up to anyone 16+ because they do not have enough interest in getting the vaccine so they have too much of it.

______________________
Wonder if we should in a month or so re-evaluate things and maybe have states that have excess supply of vaccine give it to states that still need it? It really doesn't matter in the topic being discussed how much the U.S. gets because that isn't going to mean so and so in X state in Y county in Z city is able to get it. But if some states have had enough time to ensure all parts of their state are covered in interest level and still have excess vaccine might be something to send the vaccine on its way to places that aren't getting enough.

Yeah, we're seeing that same issue within our state. In a reaction piece about the governor's announcement that everyone will be eligible as of April 5, health authorities in counties around the Detroit area were sort of stunned and a touch horrified because they're still not getting enough supply for the groups already eligible, while some health authorities from northern counties were very excited and said they cannot get enough people to fill their current availability under the existing rules. It seems like it would make more sense to balance those supplies rather than have some counties vaccinating healthy high schoolers while others are still struggling to get seniors and essential workers covered, particularly since the vaccine refusal rates vary quite a bit between rural and urban residents so even opening it up to everyone isn't likely to create a flood of demand in some of the more skeptical places.

And the same would probably apply from state to state, considering how closely attitudes about the vaccine track political views. But I don't think we'll start to see conversations about redirecting supply until a month or so into the "everyone is eligible" effort because it has too much potential to become a political hot-button. In my state, attempts to improve vaccination efforts in underserved communities are already causing controversy, and redirecting unused supplies from rural communities where the politics of grievance rule the day to urban areas where people actually want to be vaccinated is sure to stir up a hornet's nest.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

Well, thankfully not, although I am kind of exploiting a loop hole. I felt really crappy registering as a healthcare worker.

Although, our county decided to include GIRL SCOUT TROOP LEADERS as "child care workers" last week, making them eligible. I mean, what the heck is that about?

I felt less badly about it after my friend pointed that out.

I'm still gonna pay attention to how long it takes a non prioriy group 40 something healthy individual to be eligible to get vaccinated in my county. I'm still betting on June for that. Our county moved away from their July 4 goal and now says "summer 2021" for general population availability.

I feel the same way about exploiting a loophole. I work for a non-profit organization, and one segment of our organization is operating education classes (that were obviously cancelled last year, then went virtual in the fall and spring, but will be going back to in-person for summer camps and classes). Our state opened vaccines to teachers and child care on March 1, and with that tier, our organization qualified as a childcare setting. Our whole staff (which isn’t a ton of people to begin with) was able to sign up if desired through a closed county vaccination site, even if we don’t work in the education area. I felt guilty because I’m in my 30s and healthy, and didn’t expect to have a chance until much later. But as someone else told me, I’m doing my part to slow the spread and they’re urging everyone to get it when they have the opportunity. So I got my first on 3/5 and my second is scheduled for 4/2.

I’ll also be curious to see when other people my age in my state are eligible.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

While I'm not really wanting to go into the whole "supply is increase" spiel I was just reading a story about my state. They don't anticipate having enough vaccines coming from the Federal government to meet the demand of the residents (aged 16+) until June.

They have the vaccinations sites that can handle 10X the amount of vaccine presently being sent their way and as a whole the state can handle 5X the capacity of vaccines they are getting from the Federal government.

Meanwhile my husband was talking with a vendor in Abilene, TX where they opened it up to anyone 16+ because they do not have enough interest in getting the vaccine so they have too much of it.

______________________
Wonder if we should in a month or so re-evaluate things and maybe have states that have excess supply of vaccine give it to states that still need it? It really doesn't matter in the topic being discussed how much the U.S. gets because that isn't going to mean so and so in X state in Y county in Z city is able to get it. But if some states have had enough time to ensure all parts of their state are covered in interest level and still have excess vaccine might be something to send the vaccine on its way to places that aren't getting enough.

This is a very good point and definitely something they should consider.

 

[Colleen27]

I feel the same way about exploiting a loophole. I work for a non-profit organization, and one segment of our organization is operating education classes (that were obviously cancelled last year, then went virtual in the fall and spring, but will be going back to in-person for summer camps and classes). Our state opened vaccines to teachers and child care on March 1, and with that tier, our organization qualified as a childcare setting. Our whole staff (which isn’t a ton of people to begin with) was able to sign up if desired through a closed county vaccination site, even if we don’t work in the education area. I felt guilty because I’m in my 30s and healthy, and didn’t expect to have a chance until much later. But as someone else told me, I’m doing my part to slow the spread and they’re urging everyone to get it when they have the opportunity. So I got my first on 3/5 and my second is scheduled for 4/2.

I’ll also be curious to see when other people my age in my state are eligible.

I'm right there with you. I'm a licensed sub but I haven't marked myself as available for assignments at all this year except at the small private school DD attends (where I have, so far, not been needed... but we had a moment where two teachers were out simultaneously to quarantine and the principal approached me to ask if I'd be willing to be added to their sub list just in case). So for one reason and another I haven't actually subbed anywhere since before Christmas break in 2019, but because I'm still active in the state registration system I could use that to get my vaccine now. And I still might, since they're basically skipping over the in-between steps and throwing the floodgates wide open in 3 weeks, but I haven't so far because I was hearing from full time classroom teachers and other people who are in the thick of it every day that they're having a hard time finding appointments. That bottleneck seems to have eased in the last week or two, at least for people in the earliest rounds of eligibility, but as long as it persisted I didn't feel comfortable getting an appointment for myself.

Now that I know I'd be otherwise eligible in a matter of weeks and that appointments set aside for teachers and the elderly are going unfilled, I feel less bad about it and will probably try to get an appointment this week.

 

[Jonfw2]

Here's the thing: no one is exploiting any loopholes, when you're eligible, get vaccinated ASAP. You're doing yourself a favor, but more importantly, you're doing society a favor.

 

[Katiebird]

Here's the thing: no one is exploiting any loopholes, when you're eligible, get vaccinated ASAP. You're doing yourself a favor, but more importantly, you're doing society a favor.

Agree.

The counties/states also have some idea of how many people are in each group, and are opening groups based on that.