CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[anniemae]

If it was left out too long, wouldn’t that just make it useless and not harmful?

It would be useless therefore very harmful. You would get the vaccine thinking you had protection from a deadly virus. At least that is why people have said that I have spoken to about the Pfizer vaccine.

 

[gwynne]

The 7 day average for the past week is 2,657. The data is jumbled from the holidays. Give it a few weeks to stabilize.

If it was a testing or # of positives issue I could see some areas of the country being way behind and their info jumbled.
But this is dead bodies per day. And deaths are a lagging indicator...so these numbers will be up for awhile.

 

[Pyotr]

If it was a testing or # of positives issue I could see some areas of the country being way behind and their info jumbled.
But this is dead bodies per day. And deaths are a lagging indicator...so these numbers will be up for awhile.

Deaths are reported weeks to months after the person died. For example, yesterday Florida reported 164 Covid deaths yesterday. These happened in August (+3), September (+1), October (+2-1), November (+3), December (+108), and January (+48).

Hopefully the vaccine will be available to all soon and we wont have to discuss deaths for much longer.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

My husband just sent me this:

https://www.cnet.com/news/pfizer-va...M9ePTbxQy9zWLA6C4CDgIWMJg-B-TgWEHxj0ocviSKmo0
"It's preliminary, but it definitely suggests that the vaccine will also work against these variants"

*Not peer reviewed yet

 

[aggiedog]

It would be useless therefore very harmful. You would get the vaccine thinking you had protection from a deadly virus. At least that is why people have said that I have spoken to about the Pfizer vaccine.

Well, obviously. But it's not directly harmful, as in simply getting the expired vaccination will make you ill or immediately worse off. Some folks are worried the vaccines themselves are harmful, regardless of their efficacy to prevent disease. This patient's worry was in a different vein.

 

[LuvOrlando]

Can't get these vaccines out fast enough

My SIL's MIL died today after being infected along with 98 other people at a nursing home, or at least this is what the family understands to be true... I can't find it in the news. She was diagnosed 12/21 and this stemmed from a worker getting sick over Thanksgiving can't understand why it's not widely known because 98 is a very high number.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Can't get these vaccines out fast enough

My SIL's MIL died today after being infected along with 98 other people at a nursing home, or at least this is what the family understands to be true... I can't find it in the news. She was diagnosed 12/21 and this stemmed from a worker getting sick over Thanksgiving can't understand why it's not widely known because 98 is a very high number.

sorry to hear about her mother-in-law.

As far as hearing about it in large part earlier on I would hear about long-term care facility issues through the news but then my county and then my state added that information to their COVID dashboards. My county was the first one to add it and has more precise information than my state does. Like if I go right now there are 39 facilities within the county with outbreaks (which is why a vaccine administered to them is so important) and an outbreak is defined over if after 28 days no new cases have been tied to a given place. Several facilities have unfortunately been added more than once (removed then readded).

Maybe your area (or the are they are in) has something similar?

 

[LuvOrlando]

sorry to hear about her mother-in-law.

As far as hearing about it in large part earlier on I would hear about long-term care facility issues through the news but then my county and then my state added that information to their COVID dashboards. My county was the first one to add it and has more precise information than my state does. Like if I go right now there are 39 facilities within the county with outbreaks (which is why a vaccine administered to them is so important) and an outbreak is defined over if after 28 days no new cases have been tied to a given place. Several facilities have unfortunately been added more than once (removed then readded).

Maybe your area (or the are they are in) has something similar?

I'm trying to find info but it's not really anything useful and nothing is pointing to this outbreak which is worrying. In fact, they said she died just after midnight but only notified the family around 2pm, said there were procedures of some kind but obviously no-one asked much with the crying and all.

Our county was one of the first hit and then had a big outbreak early on and has had a fairly steady stream this whole time. Things were iffy at first because the state was reporting cases in the counties where people were listed as having a residence not in the counties of the nursing homes but I'm not sure if this is still happening. 98 is a lot of elderly people in one building and we do not have gigantic hospital systems, they are big but not big enough to absorb this if it's happening in others.

I really really hope this vaccine is being distributed to these employees now.

 

[snappy]

I'm trying to find info but it's not really anything useful and nothing is pointing to this outbreak which is worrying. In fact, they said she died just after midnight but only notified the family around 2pm, said there were procedures of some kind but obviously no-one asked much with the crying and all.

Our county was one of the first hit and then had a big outbreak early on and has had a fairly steady stream this whole time. Things were iffy at first because the state was reporting cases in the counties where people were listed as having a residence not in the counties of the nursing homes but I'm not sure if this is still happening. 98 is a lot of elderly people in one building and we do not have gigantic hospital systems, they are big but not big enough to absorb this if it's happening in others.

I really really hope this vaccine is being distributed to these employees now.

Agree. I also hope the staff is opting in for the vaccine.

 

[Colleen27]

Deaths are reported weeks to months after the person died. For example, yesterday Florida reported 164 Covid deaths yesterday. These happened in August (+3), September (+1), October (+2-1), November (+3), December (+108), and January (+48).

Yep. The publication I follow for Michigan data lists deaths two ways, and they illustrate strikingly different trends.

First, deaths by date reported; these are the numbers that make headlines, and they've been strikingly high on at least some dates for almost two months.



But when the deaths are sorted by date of death, rather than the date they were added to the state tally, the recent trend is much less alarming. Predictably, deaths peaked about two weeks after our peak in cases and has been declining (as have case counts) since then. It is also interesting to note how much better treatment has apparently gotten. Our fall peak involved 4-5x as many daily cases as our early peak in April and yielded a similar number of hospitalizations state-wide, but had a markedly lower fatality rate. There's a certain optimism in that, in my opinion, that goes beyond just the hope of the eventual effects of vaccination.



The rest of the data seems pretty muddy right now because of the holiday effect. We saw a several percentage point dip in positivity rates before the holidays (people getting tested before getting together?) and a dip in both cases and number of tests accompanied by a jump in positivity rates on the holidays themselves (because who would get tested on Christmas or New Years if they weren't symptomatic?), and now the positivity rate looks like it is going down again (real this time, or just people testing to be on the safe side after holiday gatherings/travel?). Our current restrictions on indoor dining and recreation are supposed to expire at the end of next week but I'm not sure that's going to be far enough from the holidays to see real trends in the data, so I fully expect a wait-and-see extension of at least another week.

 

[lifesavacation]

True, just useless. I assumed that was her concern, getting a vaccination that might not work.

I can’t imagine putting it off for this reason. A person could get an antibody test in a few weeks if they were truly worried about it.

 

[dvcgirl67]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/biden-vaccine-strategy/index.html

 

[Heigh-Ho]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/politics/biden-vaccine-strategy/index.html

At least they say "Biden team may hold back a small amount of doses in case of unforeseen circumstances. The Trump administration also does this -- in addition to holding back the second doses -- in the event of incidents such as shipment errors or vaccine spoilage."

Their confidence level does seem high that additional dosages will be delivered on time but at least the article also mentions "Releasing nearly all vaccine doses on hand could quickly ratchet up the availability of coronavirus vaccines by allowing more people access to a first dose. It could also be a risky strategy as both Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna's vaccines require two doses, administered at specific intervals, and vaccine manufacturing has not ramped up as rapidly as many experts had hoped."

I believe that was a main concern from what I remember about people concerned with just going with everyone get it then worry about it later. I feel much better about this decision, assuming it ends up happening, because it seems like they've taken the time to consider consequences. All this talk before was with no clear discussion about consequences just that hoping the second shipment is there. Looks like "Biden's team plans to use the Defense Production Act to produce vaccine materials and other supplies in order to ensure there's enough vaccine for both doses." That's good news and gives confidence in the second dosage being there.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Well they've been able to input more data into the system which has completely altered the vaccine outlook of our state. We had been told of incomplete data and now the most recent is saying "a lack of training in computer systems, not inefficiency." News stories circulated that we were the last of the last in vaccine distribution but we weren't really just the data hadn't been input.

We've now data-wise caught up with our neighbor in terms of 1st vaccination per 100K. Now the news story is we're in the top tier for distribution (defined as 2,001+/100K residents). Presently CDC has it (which I do believe is much more accurate than before with our numbers) at 2,020/100K with our neighbor at a hair better with 2,032/100K. And today (ETA: sorry it was the 7th) a news story came out saying they are in prepping stage of escalating the distribution, they are ready just need more supply. The most recent information from the state I have is from 1/7 at 4pm which lists 56,480 doses have been administered; CDC has as of Jan 8th 58,841.

 

[DLgal]

Well they've been able to input more data into the system which has completely altered the vaccine outlook of our state. We had been told of incomplete data and now the most recent is saying "a lack of training in computer systems, not inefficiency." News stories circulated that we were the last of the last in vaccine distribution but we weren't really just the data hadn't been input.

We've now data-wise caught up with our neighbor in terms of 1st vaccination per 100K. Now the news story is we're in the top tier for distribution (defined as 2,001+/100K residents). Presently CDC has it (which I do believe is much more accurate than before with our numbers) at 2,020/100K with our neighbor at a hair better with 2,032/100K. And today (ETA: sorry it was the 7th) a news story came out saying they are in prepping stage of escalating the distribution, they are ready just need more supply. The most recent information from the state I have is from 1/7 at 4pm which lists 56,480 doses have been administered; CDC has as of Jan 8th 58,841.

Where do you find all this information by state?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Where do you find all this information by state?

For CDC: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations

For my state itself I found their information on their newly created vaccine information website, other states probably have something very similar to look up.

 

[wenrob]

https://apple.news/ArT-rKb6vT6-bU7CcPfFeew

 

[tarheelmjfan]

https://apple.news/ArT-rKb6vT6-bU7CcPfFeew

paywall

 

[godisney14]

I can’t imagine putting it off for this reason. A person could get an antibody test in a few weeks if they were truly worried about it.

Unfortunately, not that simple.
There are specific tests being developed and studies conducted to determine an individual’s immune response to a vaccine.
And, the clinical studies used what is called a plaque reduction neutralization test to quantify, specifically, neutralizing levels of vaccine participants. This isn’t your normal antibody test that you can get at the clinic.

Even if it was as simple as just getting an off-the-shelf antibody test, maybe that patient wouldn’t have wanted to pay for the test? (Most insurances are not paying for asymptomatic testing now).

 

[mrs. magoo]

To say that New York State's rollout of vaccinating the 1b(huge group - police, fire, teachers, essential workers and seniors over 75) group yesterday was abysmal would be putting it mildly. I am a teacher who is in person with my autistic kids. I am in person 4 days a week with kids who do not understand social distancing or mask wearing. My 78 year old father also lives with us. I was on the county website at 5:30AM but the only thing available was a New York State registration form that asks for the date of your first dose - Well I have no idea when that will be so I didn't fill that out. Next I went to the vaccine schedule but that says in big red letters for Health Care workers only. I then spent my planning periods and lunch refreshing pages and trying to figure out what to do. My father spent the day calling pharmacies only to be told they had no idea what he was calling about. When I got home from school I logged into facebook and find out that many of my colleagues who are still 100% remote took the appointments that were for the health care workers. One made an appointment for her 16 year old son who works at a grocery store 5 hours a week. My father who finally got through to his doctor was told it is a lottery system and his name was not called that he may have to continue to wait for up to 10 more weeks and they also told him that he would need to find another doctor since his is retiring.

The state should not have put this information out with no plan to vaccinate people. I am so angry with my colleagues who are like It's a dog eat dog world and I just won and you lost. I could have taken one of those spots at 5:30 when you were in your cozy bed but I can read and follow rules. I hate that this system is basically fend for yourself which just pits people against each other. The state should have moved on to Seniors in the community before they started vaccinating other groups. I am now looking at April or May at the earliest before I will be vaccinated. So very disappointed.