Cast Members Rally

[sam_gordon]

I don't understand all the animosity towards the employees.

I don't think there has been any. Unless saying "if you don't like your working conditions, find another job" equates to animosity. Personally, I have no problems with them negotiating for whatever they want. But that doesn't mean I think they should automatically get whatever they want simply because Disney is a "big business".

I don't think anyone has even said they have to accept whatever Disney throws at them (which some have implied).

 

[eliza61]

Don't change the topic/statement

You stated change never occurred because someone left and I gave you an example of when it did.

can't change the statement mid debate just because someone gave an example you didn't like or it proved you wrong.

I'm not changing any thing. I'm replying to your premise on what changed the nursing career. Women fight for it
And I know for a fact the nurses in nyc raised holy Greek to get better working conditions especially on the 80s

 

[Wall-E1]

Actually change has occurred because people left or didn't go into it. And no 1 person leaving a big place like Disney won't hurt them but if mass amounts left cause other places were paying more and they couldn't hir enough to run the business it would change and they would have to pay more.

On area that change happened was nursing. It used to be one of the few careers open to women and paid very poorly. As more careers opened to women there was a nursing shortage, hospitals had to pay more and as the wages got better more people went into nursing. Did 1 person quit change it ? no but lots of people quitting did.

Supply and demand it works.

It was much more than "lots of people quitting". They formed and joined unions and used the power of the unions to negotiate higher wages/better working conditions.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/490769_4

In the post World War II years, however, poor working conditions, inadequate pay, and an increased demand for nurses resulted in an acute national shortage of nurses.

A resolution was adopted at the 1946 ANA Convention to establish an economic and general welfare program. The program provided guidelines and assistance to State Nurses Associations (SNAs), now called Constituent Nurses Associations (CNAs), for promoting the economic security of nurses and engaging in CB. Subsequent certification of ANA as a labor organization in 1949 paved the way for SNAs to represent registered nurses as their bargaining agents.

In other words, nurses joined the American Nurses Association and State Nurses Association and used their union numbers to enact change.

And again in the 1960's…

By the mid-1960s a critical shortage of nurses attributed to economic exploitations was occurring once again, which prompted the ANA in 1966 to adopt the Resolution on National Salary Goal. This resolution established the salary goal of not less than $6,500 for entry-level registered nurses, and called upon SNAs to use negotiation through CB to implement the goal. The establishment of a salary goal provided the impetus for many SNAs to secure higher entry-level salaries for nurses through CB.

In 1965, Patton used mass resignation as a method to change employment conditions following thwarted CB efforts. As a staff nurse in an Ohio hospital, she was part of a nursing staff that faced 'staffing and scheduling problems, no input in decisions affecting nursing, physicians controlling promotions, a low starting wage, few benefits, and no pension'. She recounted, 'the final insult was management's offer of a 10-cent-per-hour raise for full-time nurses, with only five cents per hour for part-time nurses, which were most of us. This was later called the most expensive nickel in hospital history because it galvanized us to...organize [through the Ohio Nurses Association (ONA)] for [CB]'. Unwillingness of an obdurate management to negotiate with ONA resulted in a mass resignation of 85% of the nursing staff. Assistance of a federal mediator was obtained, and thirteen days later, the nurses returned to work with 'a contract in hand'.

Nurses organized through a union, and utilizing the power of that union forced the hospital into giving them a new and fair contract.

The protection of labor law empowers organized nurses through CB to compel management to follow established contracts and change practices such as mandatory overtime and maintaining high patient-to-nurse ratios that are resulting in an unsafe patient care environment. The ANA and its constituent states have used traditional CB, particularly during nursing shortages, for the past 60 years to improve the economic and general welfare of nurses.

Quitting was not the winning strategy for nurses, as you suggest. It was forming and joining unions that led to higher wages/better working conditions.

 

[Hannathy]

I responded to a general topic, didn't know we had to spend all afternoon researching our responses for the Dis board.

In general if a field doesn't pay enough people won't go into it (like nursing) and a shortage will occur, when they companies no longer have enough people to work for a wage they will increase the wage.

I was going to say that a large percentage of nurses do not belong to a union but I don't have time to research it as others do but I will say I have never belonged to a union and I have been a nurse for 25 yrs and have worked in 3 states and large and small hospitals. None of the hospitals in the area I am in now are unionized so while it helped it wasn't the only reason wages went up it was in my belief and experience, mostly the shortage of nurses when women realized there were other jobs open to them.

 

[3happydancers]

Good for them! Those wage caps are pretty tragic. 13 bucks capped ? Ugh. Awful to after 20 years you get nothing more. Doesn't give anyone much incentive to stick around.

If you don't like rallies, don't have one. Bu you don't get to choose for others. It is so easy to say if you don't like it leave, but change can happen and has happened. It's worth a shot. I don't get all the animosity. If you don't like it don't do it. You don't get to speak for me, or for them. Rallies have accomplished a lot if you have ever taken a history course. People can change things, if enough stick together.

To me, the "if you don't like it go someplace else" goes right along with the mentality of " you should be thankful you have a job" And just take whatever crap they shovel at you. It's crap. If something is unfair, some of us are willing to speak up for ourselves. If you are not, that's fine or you. But you don't speak for me.

Agree with everything you say!

 

[Wall-E1]

I don't think anyone has even said they have to accept whatever Disney throws at them (which some have implied).

Maybe not directly, but several on this thread have insinuated that employees should "accept whatever Disney throws at them."(IMO)

Presumably they agreed to their pay when they took the job, and they're free to take their skills elsewhere if they think they can make more money.

No one is forcing them to work for Disney.

If someone doesn't want to work for the pay/benefits Disney is offering then don't work there.

As long as Disney is paying the federally mandated minimum wage, they are doing nothing wrong.

Nobody is forcing anyone to work at Disneyland.

 

[dakcp2001]

I responded to a general topic, didn't know we had to spend all afternoon researching our responses for the Dis board.

In general if a field doesn't pay enough people won't go into it (like nursing) and a shortage will occur, when they companies no longer have enough people to work for a wage they will increase the wage.

I was going to say that a large percentage of nurses do not belong to a union but I don't have time to research it as others do but I will say I have never belonged to a union and I have been a nurse for 25 yrs and have worked in 3 states and large and small hospitals. None of the hospitals in the area I am in now are unionized so while it helped it wasn't the only reason wages went up it was in my belief and experience, mostly the shortage of nurses when women realized there were other jobs open to them.

You can't speak for an entire profession based on one persons experience.

 

[sam_gordon]

Maybe not directly, but several on this thread have insinuated that employees should "accept whatever Disney throws at them."(IMO)

And everyone of those shows we (since I'm one of the ones you quoted) feel the employees agreed (presumably of their own free will) to the benefits package. Not one says they had to (or even should) accept what Disney offered. They had the option of declining the offer or making a counter offer.

 

[ICF]

Maybe not directly, but several on this thread have insinuated that employees should "accept whatever Disney throws at them."(IMO)

How did you take my comment of --

Nobody is forcing anyone to work at Disneyland.

As saying that they need to "accept whatever Disney throws at them"??

They don't need to accept anything....they are fully within their right to leave Disney and go work someplace else. I fully support that if anyone thinks they are being mistreated at their place of employment, that they look for something else.

 

[dakcp2001]

I don't think there has been any. Unless saying "if you don't like your working conditions, find another job" equates to animosity. Personally, I have no problems with them negotiating for whatever they want. But that doesn't mean I think they should automatically get whatever they want simply because Disney is a "big business".

I don't think anyone has even said they have to accept whatever Disney throws at them (which some have implied).

I just reread the thread. There are definitely some posters that expressed a clear disdain for the Disney employees and their rally. It is their right to have animosity, I don't agree that it's justified.

People can rally if they want their reasons are their own. I'm curious about their contract , when I worked or the mouse I was an intern. All of my earnings went back to Disney for housing. I know the CPs are compensated much better now. I wasn't there for the money or to support a family. Disney has a very large workforce and they utilize a lot of interns. The laws are not the same for interns.

And for the record, a 3% raise, when you are at the bottom of the barrel for hourly pay, is still not much. And how much of their increases were due to an increase in the minimum wage? How much do managers make at Disney, is it equally as dismal? When I saw how much Disney pays for an RN, I laughed. They also had some extreme requests for experience. Why do they do it? Because someone is willing to take it. But at some point, they may be forced to pay more, because people will no longer accept such a pitiful low wage.That is how things change.

 

[dakcp2001]

How did you take my comment of --



As saying that they need to "accept whatever Disney throws at them"??

They don't need to accept anything....they are fully within their right to leave Disney and go work someplace else. I fully support that if anyone thinks they are being mistreated at their place of employment, that they look for something else.

Being mistreated is not the same as not liking your pay.

 

[sam_gordon]

I just reread the thread. There are definitely some posters that expressed a clear disdain for the Disney employees and their rally. It is their right to have animosity, I don't agree that it's justified.

I haven't gone back through the thread, but I don't see where anyone should have animosity toward the workers.

People can rally if they want their reasons are their own. I'm curious about their contract , when I worked or the mouse I was an intern. All of my earnings went back to Disney for housing. I know the CPs are compensated much better now. I wasn't there for the money or to support a family. Disney has a very large workforce and they utilize a lot of interns. The laws are not the same for interns.

And for the record, a 3% raise, when you are at the bottom of the barrel for hourly pay, is still not much. And how much of their increases were due to an increase in the minimum wage? How much do managers make at Disney, is it equally as dismal? When I saw how much Disney pays for an RN, I laughed. They also had some extreme requests for experience. Why do they do it? Because someone is willing to take it. But at some point, they may be forced to pay more, because people will no longer accept such a pitiful low wage.That is how things change.

I agree with all of the above. But that still doesn't mean Disney is treating their employees unfairly or somehow "not right".

 

[Wall-E1]

And everyone of those shows we (since I'm one of the ones you quoted) feel the employees agreed (presumably of their own free will) to the benefits package.

In other words, they should "accept whatever Disney throws at them."

 

[sam_gordon]

In other words, they should "accept whatever Disney throws at them."

No, that doesn't mean that.

What you're saying is we think employees shouldn't have any choice in the matter, that they MUST accept whatever offer Disney is giving them.

I and others have said employees DO have options. They can accept the offer, they can decline the offer, they can counter offer. Employees HAVE options, they're not forced to accept anything, nor should they be.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain it any other way.

 

[ICF]

Being mistreated is not the same as not liking your pay.

agreed, but that doesn't mean that the workers dont feel that way.

 

[eliza61]

How did you take my comment of --



As saying that they need to "accept whatever Disney throws at them"??

They don't need to accept anything....they are fully within their right to leave Disney and go work someplace else. I fully support that if anyone thinks they are being mistreated at their place of employment, that they look for something else.

And I totally support anyone who if they are being mistreated (or witnesses mistreatment or unequal policies) to stand up fight and make a change in their workplace. tons of work places and industries have been changed for the better from people simply deciding it was time to do more than run away.

And they are also fully within their rights to picket, rally, initiate change . that's what they are doing?

 

[Wall-E1]

No, that doesn't mean that.

What you're saying is we think employees shouldn't have any choice in the matter, that they MUST accept whatever offer Disney is giving them.

I didn't say that other posters "think employees shouldn't have any choice in the matter", or that other posters felt "that they MUST accept whatever offer Disney is giving them." I simply said that I felt that others on this thread had insinuated that the employees should just accept the current offer that Disney has proposed. That was my opinion based on some of the comments that I had read. It's quite a leap you took there with the above statement.

 

[dakcp2001]

And I totally support anyone who if they are being mistreated (or witnesses mistreatment or unequal policies) to stand up fight and make a change in their workplace. tons of work places and industries have been changed for the better from people simply deciding it was time to do more than run away.

And they are also fully within their rights to picket, rally, initiate change . that's what they are doing?

Me too.

 

[Handbag Lady]

No, that doesn't mean that.

What you're saying is we think employees shouldn't have any choice in the matter, that they MUST accept whatever offer Disney is giving them.

I and others have said employees DO have options. They can accept the offer, they can decline the offer, they can counter offer. Employees HAVE options, they're not forced to accept anything, nor should they be.

I'm sorry, I don't know how to explain it any other way.

Yes, and their fourth option is to picket. There are LOTS of things they can do. And they did.

And it got all of us here talking about it and reading it and discussing it here on this thread.

 

[sam_gordon]

I didn't say that other posters "think employees shouldn't have any choice in the matter", or that other posters felt "that they MUST accept whatever offer Disney is giving them." I simply said that I felt that others on this thread had insinuated that the employees should just accept the current offer that Disney has proposed. That was my opinion based on some of the comments that I had read. It's quite a leap you took there with the above statement.

Well, since you quoted me as one who "insinuated" employees should accept the offer, you may want to control your leaps too.

I've said from the beginning, I'm not against the rallies or the employees. What I'm against is people flat out saying Disney has not been "fair" or is not treating employees "right" because of a bunch of employees held a rally. Both those claims are in this thread, but no one has provided an example of either. Oh wait, one former employee said they didn't get paid for the 20-30 minutes it took to get from their parking lot to the gates.

Does Disney pay enough? I don't know. Are they in line with other employers in comparable fields? If they're not, why do people decide to work for them?