Cast Members Rally

[sam_gordon]

Absolutely agree on that. That's why rallying and picketing have to be use knowledgably (sp) and without the vitrol that gets thrown around in public demonstration.

Totally on your side with that.

What disney and other company's need to look at is the bottom line problem and the fundemental coporate pay structure.

If we have 4000 employees rallying, could there be a basic inequity in our practices. Are we compensating them comparably and if we say we want the most talented best employees, are we reflecting that?

some times a rally is simply the opening salvo to say "hey let's take care of this problem before it becomes out of control"

Agree with everything you say!

 

[dakcp2001]

Good for them! Those wage caps are pretty tragic. 13 bucks capped ? Ugh. Awful to after 20 years you get nothing more. Doesn't give anyone much incentive to stick around.

If you don't like rallies, don't have one. Bu you don't get to choose for others. It is so easy to say if you don't like it leave, but change can happen and has happened. It's worth a shot. I don't get all the animosity. If you don't like it don't do it. You don't get to speak for me, or for them. Rallies have accomplished a lot if you have ever taken a history course. People can change things, if enough stick together.

To me, the "if you don't like it go someplace else" goes right along with the mentality of " you should be thankful you have a job" And just take whatever crap they shovel at you. It's crap. If something is unfair, some of us are willing to speak up for ourselves. If you are not, that's fine or you. But you don't speak for me.

 

[skylizard]

Good for them! Those wage caps are pretty tragic. 13 bucks capped ? Ugh. Awful to after 20 years you get nothing more. Doesn't give anyone much incentive to stick around.

If you don't like rallies, don't have one. Bu you don't get to choose for others. It is so easy to say if you don't like it leave, but change can happen and has happened. It's worth a shot. I don't get all the animosity. If you don't like it don't do it. You don't get to speak for me, or for them. Rallies have accomplished a lot if you have ever taken a history course. People can change things, if enough stick together.

To me, the "if you don't like it go someplace else" goes right along with the mentality of " you should be thankful you have a job" And just take whatever crap they shovel at you. It's crap. If something is unfair, some of us are willing to speak up for ourselves. If you are not, that's fine or you. But you don't speak for me.

 

[skatalite]

Good for them! Those wage caps are pretty tragic. 13 bucks capped ? Ugh. Awful to after 20 years you get nothing more. Doesn't give anyone much incentive to stick around.

If you don't like rallies, don't have one. Bu you don't get to choose for others. It is so easy to say if you don't like it leave, but change can happen and has happened. It's worth a shot. I don't get all the animosity. If you don't like it don't do it. You don't get to speak for me, or for them. Rallies have accomplished a lot if you have ever taken a history course. People can change things, if enough stick together.

To me, the "if you don't like it go someplace else" goes right along with the mentality of " you should be thankful you have a job" And just take whatever crap they shovel at you. It's crap. If something is unfair, some of us are willing to speak up for ourselves. If you are not, that's fine or you. But you don't speak for me.

I, overall, agree with your tone and what you're saying. But people are responsible for themselves. If they don't get what they feel they deserve from this rally/demonstration, then they have every right and opportunity to leave for something different and/or better.

It's easier said than done, I understand that, but people shouldn't expect their employers to foot the bill just because they (the employee) can't/won't find something better. As much as I wish everyone had the best medical care in the world, and as much as I wish everyone could afford to pay their rent and mortgages, it's just simply not reality. It never has been and never will be.

 

[sam_gordon]

I, overall, agree with your tone and what you're saying. But people are responsible for themselves. If they don't get what they feel they deserve from this rally/demonstration, then they have every right and opportunity to leave for something different and/or better.

It's easier said than done, I understand that, but people shouldn't expect their employers to foot the bill just because they (the employee) can't/won't find something better. As much as I wish everyone had the best medical care in the world, and as much as I wish everyone could afford to pay their rent and mortgages, it's just simply not reality. It never has been and never will be.

@dakcp2001: what is "unfair" about what the employees are given?

 

[sam_gordon]

Good for them! Those wage caps are pretty tragic. 13 bucks capped ? Ugh. Awful to after 20 years you get nothing more. Doesn't give anyone much incentive to stick around.

So I just did some math. If you start a job making $7/hour and get 3% raises every year, in the 20th year you would be making $12.64/hour.

So a 3% raise every year isn't good enough? Assuming someone does the same job (no promotion), how big should raises be?

ETA: If you start @ $7.25/hour (current minimum wage) and get a 3% raise every year, in the 20th year you're making $13.09/hour.

 

[Hannathy]

I only wish my DH got a 3% raise every year! do you know how many years there were no raises for anyone?

 

[dakcp2001]

@dakcp2001: what is "unfair" about what the employees are given?

I'd have to ask them. Typically the media presents a biased source if information and you don't always get the whole picture. I could guess but I'd just be speculating.

 

[dakcp2001]

I only wish my DH got a 3% raise every year! do you know how many years there were no raises for anyone?

Well if he doesn't like it, he has those three choices you spoke of. Isn't that what you said? He could go elsewhere or improve his skills if he doesn't like being in a job with no annual raise. It's that easy, right?

 

[Acklander]

I only wish my DH got a 3% raise every year! do you know how many years there were no raises for anyone?

Same at Disney. (Going without) I know someone who works for Disney, when the economy crashed, it effected everyone who worked there including union negotiations. Now times are better for the company, so they want to negotiate better. I think that's fair. When you have a large company like Disney, you have to negotiate as a group, since the pay scale is set as a group.

 

[sam_gordon]

I'd have to ask them. Typically the media presents a biased source if information and you don't always get the whole picture. I could guess but I'd just be speculating.

That's funny, some on this thread at least implied these employees are being treated unfairly. Yet the article I've read (http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/on-the-town/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/2/24/disney_union_rally.html) has no unfairness claims by workers or the unions. Yes, they want more money (who doesn't), but they're not making the claim they're being treated "unfairly".

 

[dakcp2001]

I only wish my DH got a 3% raise every year! do you know how many years there were no raises for anyone?

That's funny, some on this thread at least implied these employees are being treated unfairly. Yet the article I've read (http://www.mynews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/on-the-town/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2014/2/24/disney_union_rally.html) has no unfairness claims by workers or the unions. Yes, they want more money (who doesn't), but they're not making the claim they're being treated "unfairly".

I guess I'm missing your point here? My point is, it is their prerogative to rally if they see fit. You don't have to agree with their reason whatever it may be.

 

[ICF]

If someone doesn't want to work for the pay/benefits Disney is offering then don't work there.

As long as Disney is paying the federally mandated minimum wage, they are doing nothing wrong.

If Disney can't run their parks with enough workers at that low pay, they will be forced to pay more...until then, what incentive does Disney have?

Nobody is forcing anyone to work at Disneyland.

 

[sam_gordon]

I guess I'm missing your point here? My point is, it is their prerogative to rally if they see fit. You don't have to agree with their reason whatever it may be.

My point is I don't understand the animosity toward Disney. People on this thread have implied the workers are treated unfairly. I've been trying to find out either what's unfair on how they're treated or what would be fair.

I really have no problem with the employees rallying, I hope they come to a satisfactory agreement with Disney.

 

[Albort]

My point is I don't understand the animosity toward Disney. People on this thread have implied the workers are treated unfairly. I've been trying to find out either what's unfair on how they're treated or what would be fair.

I really have no problem with the employees rallying, I hope they come to a satisfactory agreement with Disney.

$10.00 an hour may seem like a pretty good wage but CMs add hours on top getting to and out of work. There are times it takes 20 mins to get to work(from parking car to gate), then walk to location. To help the guest out, sometimes CMs are forced to park 2 miles away and have to wait for a shuttle to get them to work, they have to deal with Disney Traffic. Since Disney doesnt have to hold an image with the cast members like they do with the guest, everything that doesnt have to do with the guest are contracted out, therefore there is no disney standards. I know this comes with the job but yes, i may be getting paid $10 an hour but the amount of off time i spent at disneyland doesnt make the pay worth it sometimes.

Source, i am an ex-Disneyland cast member.

 

[ICF]

$10.00 an hour may seem like a pretty good wage but CMs add hours on top getting to and out of work. There are times it takes 20 mins to get to work(from parking car to gate)

Commute times are part of many people's lives getting to and from work.

 

[Wall-E1]

"We have a long history of working constructively with the unions and we're optimistic we'll be able to reach a reasonable agreement. We look forward to beginning negotiations in March and have a history of providing pay increases to our Cast Members."

— Jacquee Wahler, Walt Disney World Spokesperson

Statement from Disney yesterday.

Looks like belonging to a union and "rallying" can be much more constructive than just accepting what a corporation is offering, or quitting.

 

[Albort]

Commute times are part of many people's lives getting to and from work.

I know this comes with the job but yes, i may be getting paid $10 an hour but the amount of off time i spent at disneyland doesnt make the pay worth it sometimes.

^^

 

[Hannathy]

Well if he doesn't like it, he has those three choices you spoke of. Isn't that what you said? He could go elsewhere or improve his skills if he doesn't like being in a job with no annual raise. It's that easy, right?

You are 100% correct!

I was only commenting on someone complaining about Disney only giving 3% raises and I was saying many companies lately have not been giving raises. It is more to do with the economy than it being Disney.

 

[dakcp2001]

My point is I don't understand the animosity toward Disney. People on this thread have implied the workers are treated unfairly. I've been trying to find out either what's unfair on how they're treated or what would be fair.

I really have no problem with the employees rallying, I hope they come to a satisfactory agreement with Disney.

I don't understand all the animosity towards the employees.