Casey Anthony TRIAL Thread #4

[CurlyGirl]

I thought I heard them say that court was not going to be in session on Monday, that it was some kind of court holiday. Is this true? I don't think I can wait another day!

ON Saturday, Judge said court would resume at 8:30 on Monday. I'm sure 8:30 is the jury and lawyer arrival time and then full proceedings start at 9 am.

 

[klj27]

I thought I heard them say that court was not going to be in session on Monday, that it was some kind of court holiday. Is this true? I don't think I can wait another day!

I think they were talking about Monday the 4th of July.

 

[Linda32118]

First, this is my first post. Been following a thread on Facebook and the people there just got too vicious for me and really did not care about the facts.

I re-watched the video of Saturday and have my theory. First, I do not believe it is Baez accusing Ashton or Linda of anything or vice versa. First because it was started by Mason and second those type of things they argue in front of the cameras. They have no problem accusing each other of anything. Also, Casey was not happy about whatever happened.

Now based on the fact that Mason asked to speak to the Judge and the first 12 minutes of the meeting were w/o the Prosecutors - I feel it is a problem within the defense team.

If Mason was complaining or accusing the prosecutors of something the judge would have had them in the meeting. After the initial meeting which Casey attended - they come out and speak with Ashton and Linda and Jeff seems to say something to the effect of "no way are we doing this off the record". At that point, Linda and Jeff go into the meeting. At some point it is reported that Mason can be heard yelling in that meeting.

When they exit Jeff Ashton is mildly irritated by not angry and waving his arms, etc. as we have seen him when he has been accused of anything.

So I think there is a problem within the Casey defense, perhaps one of the following:

1. Is it possible that they want to change lead counsel from Baez to Mason and put Baez on the back burner so that they can escape the opening statement?
2. They are changing their defense strategy - remember the conversation last week where the Judge asked them what it was? They may have wished to give the Judge a heads up that they are changing their approach away from the stupid opening statement. Perhaps George is going to back the molestation charge or take the 5th when asked.
3. Casey wants one of the lawyers off the team or one of the lawyers wants to quit.
4. Mason who by all accounts of the local media is very well respected and ethical has found out something unethical and is doing his duty and bringing the matter to the Judge's attention. There is no doubt that the testimony of Cindy and Lee was very carefully worded to avoid contradicting their depositions and to avoid a possible perjury charge and was carefully rehearsed. Channel 6-Orlando Tony Pipitone has reported that on the days Cindy said she called George about the pool ladder that their phone records show no calls between them. If there was perjury it could easily take a day for them to come up with how to handle it.

I do not think it is a plea deal just can't see Casey taking one. She would have to stand up in court and admit that she did it and tell them exactly how it happened and they must be able to believe it.

Anyone know if it was proper for Lee to overhear what his parents said and then call Mr. Baez?

 

[jpaxton1118]

I think they were talking about Monday the 4th of July.

Ok good. I don't know what I am going to do when this trial ends. I feel like I need my fix and I hate that because this is such a sad sad trial.

 

[T*Bird]

Legally she wasn't a suspect and there is no evidence to support otherwise.

And at that point, what would she have been a suspect of? They were told that Caylee had been kidnapped. Maybe they didn't believe that, but that didn't necessarily mean Caylee was dead. So while I'm sure they were suspiciousof Casey, they really didn't know what they were dealing with in the beginning.

 

[LisaR]

Legally she wasn't a suspect and there is no evidence to support otherwise.

I know she wasn't legally a suspect but that wasn't the question Baez asked him. He asked Yuri if he had some doubts in his mind about Casey's story and if he thought she might be involved in some way. His answer to that question was NO. He was asked similar questions, admitted he knew she was lying but insists he didn't have any reason to think she might be involved. Really?? Come on. Did anyone on this thread hear that a toddler was missing for 31 days before the mom reported her and that mom went on to take the police all the way to her pretend job at Universal and the apartment where her pretend nanny lived and not think she wasn't somehow involved? The only person that didn't think Casey was involved at that point was Cindy. I don't believe Yuri for a minute and, after his testimony, not a single correspondent I listened to believed him either.

 

[Linda32118]

I think that Yuri Melich acted correctly and did not violate Casey's rights.

First at that time, the police did not know whether they were dealing with Casey hiding the child or whether the child was dead. If you listen the police throw out every possibility to her to see if she will tell them what happened. I really feel they were more interested in finding Caylee at that point rather than nailing Casey for anything.

That was less than 15 hours since the police were called to the Anthony home and they were still trying to sort out the facts. The police were called late in the evening - they spent the night trying to track down Zanny and deal with what I am sure with a confusing situation with Cindy yelling arrest her for stealing the car and then later yelling arrest her for credit card fraud.

Once they determined at the end of the interview that Casey was lying - they showed her some photos of various Zanny's in the State of Florida and then returned her to her home. They then went to the prosecutor and got a warrant for arrest for lying to them - not for anything to do with Caylee.

Melich returned her from the tour of Orlando at a little after 6:00 a.m. and at 6:48 a.m. she was in her room texting Tony complaining that she had not had a shower yet. She went willingly to Universal (after texting Tony of course). She was free to come and go at any time, was not in custody and from what I heard on the tape seemed to actually enjoy sparring with the detectives.

 

[izzy]

Some quotes from the trial:

Baez to Witness:"So you found, products that could be found in meat, and products that could be found in marijuana? ....Couldn't someone have had the munchies?"

Baez to Dr. Vass (expert witness): Do you know if people use paper towels to clean up raw meat?
Dr. Vass: How can I possibly testify to that?

Baez: "...so the decomposition could be from, say, a half eaten hamburger left in the trunk?"
Dr. Vass: "A person would have to eat 10 pounds of hamburger, it would have to be raw, and they would have to have eaten it while wearing a bag over their head."

Jose Baez to expert witness: “Sir, you’re not a piece of duct tape are you? So you can’t say your brand is my brand can you, sir.”

Baez to Detective Yuri Melich: “Did you ask her [Casey Anthony] if she ever committed suicide?”
Melich: "No. If she had ever committed suicide, she wouldn’t be able to answer my questions."
Baez, during opening statement for defense: "I would like to question the dog, but I can't. A dog should not be testifying in a trial."

Baez to Dr. Vaas:"You also have attempted to put electronic leashes on flies, have you not sir?"
Baez: "if it pleases the court..."
Judge Perry: "It does NOT"

Baez to Vass: "do you know what divining rods are?"
Judge: "approach the bench!"

Judge Perry: I am not stopping. anymore. to. get. you. a. file.

Judge Perry, after being told by the defense to instruct the jury that they (the defense) were under no obligation to present a case:"I will take it that I cannot trust one thing that your side says anymore.

Baez to Haskell (expert witness):"How much have you been paid so far (referring to his expert witness fees)?
Haskell: "$22000 to $23000, though I still haven't been paid from the deposition by you..."

Baez: "no more questions".

O.M.G I can't believe the two I have bolded. Did he really say that? What a buffoon.

I wish someone would compile a list of Judge Perry-isms. I heard him make some comment to Baez on Friday (I think it was Baez) about closing arguments and telling him that he could have half a day or until the jurors fell asleep - or something to that effect!

I can't wait to find out what happened. Hopefully something will be obvious tomorrow morning.

Kurby, where are you? Has Nicole finally decided to put in her appearance? I'd like to make a second guess for June 28th at 8:05 a.m. And I would prefer to have a date with Jeff Ashton.

 

[wdwmom0f3]

I was a good mom today and spent the day with the kids in the pool so what did I miss?

Kurby!! How are you? I have not seen any recent posts by you, does this mean she is on her way?

I am sitting on pins and needles for the trial to start tomorrow. I think I'll get up early and make a big yummy breakfast to get the day started off right. I just hope that we find out what all of this was about. My guess now is that it has something to do with CM, or something with the defense team. I'm hoping so anyway.

 

[LisaR]

I think that Yuri Melich acted correctly and did not violate Casey's rights.

First at that time, the police did not know whether they were dealing with Casey hiding the child or whether the child was dead. If you listen the police throw out every possibility to her to see if she will tell them what happened. I really feel they were more interested in finding Caylee at that point rather than nailing Casey for anything.

That was less than 15 hours since the police were called to the Anthony home and they were still trying to sort out the facts. The police were called late in the evening - they spent the night trying to track down Zanny and deal with what I am sure with a confusing situation with Cindy yelling arrest her for stealing the car and then later yelling arrest her for credit card fraud.

Once they determined at the end of the interview that Casey was lying - they showed her some photos of various Zanny's in the State of Florida and then returned her to her home. They then went to the prosecutor and got a warrant for arrest for lying to them - not for anything to do with Caylee.

Melich returned her from the tour of Orlando at a little after 6:00 a.m. and at 6:48 a.m. she was in her room texting Tony complaining that she had not had a shower yet. She went willingly to Universal (after texting Tony of course). She was free to come and go at any time, was not in custody and from what I heard on the tape seemed to actually enjoy sparring with the detectives.

I do not think YM violated Casey's rights either. She was clearly not under arrest and she says more than once that she is there of her own free will. I was commenting about someone saying that the defense sticks together and I feel the state also sticks together. Not just in this case but all cases.

The time frame that was being referenced in court was AFTER the detectives knew the following information:

They had a toddler that had been missing for 31 days

The mother never reported her missing

The grandmother reported her missing and reported that her daughter's car smelled like something died in it

The mother gave them false information about a nanny that didn't seem to exist (no apartment, no info in the data base)

The mother took them all the way to Universal to show them where she fake worked.

The mother admitted once they got to Universal that she has been lying but never gave them anymore information to go on. As a matter of fact, she continued to make up more information about the fake nanny.

Casey was NOT under arrest at that point. She went with the detectives willingly and both state this a few times in the recordings. The detectives didn't do anything wrong.

When YM took the stand and was questioned about this time frame, he insisted he didn't feel Casey was involved. I say, aside from Cindy, he was the only other person on the planet to not suspect Casey at that point. Did he know exactly how involved she was at that point? No. But as a seasoned detective, did he think she had something to do with this? According to him, no. I don't believe him and I think he answered that way because he tends to side with the state whenever possible. It happens on both sides.

 

[Samba]

I was just reading up on JB again. He is hot indeed.. If you like hot checks, hot footing it out of child support, hot bkinis, etc.

 

[usnuzuloose]

First off I am trying to understand why CM asked that officer about Casey being handcuffed. I thought maybe he was going after miranda rights issue. But that was not the case. Well then the day prior I remember Perry telling the DT needs to be careful about cracking doors so a mac truck wont come through. Well Linda sure pushed that door open the rest of the way.

I am wondering if CM had enough of Baez and thought this may be a way out of this situation. Because right after wards it seemed to me ( I could be wrong ) and some one can point it out if I am wrong. But it might have been a relief to get out of it. He did not seem upset, in fact I thought he was smiling a few minutes later.

I feel that if Lee could not go through with the statement it may help him to realize that everyone is trying to manipulate him. He is better off with out the family in life so that maybe he can heal from all this. It is sad to be all alone but makes life alot easier than being told what to do especially if all it will do is hurt everyone involved. I believe Cindy is the manipulator and has gotten her way in the marriage with out George every having any input what so ever.

In the begining the police did the right thing as they had no reason to arresst her. Besides you dont want to arresst until your sure, or other wise you may have to let them go and then no chance to do it again if real evidence comes out. The police have nothing to gain, they would of had no idea this would be a case that would be high profile.

I dont know if the rest of the DT knows what Baez is upto or not. I would love to know what they are thinking. I mean they are all working pro bono. If CM knew that Baez was not turning things to the state properly it is his responsibility to say something. I think CM has had enough. Baez has caused so many problems, and not conducted himself the way he should. I mean all attorneys from both sides to things that may be off but not to the point where they know you are violating a court order.

Perry is certainly caught in a huge mess and I admire how he is dealing with all of it . I know I couldnt do it I would have gone off on Baez. I guess we will all see what happens tomorrow morning. The poor jury, I dont know if Perry has to tell them anything or not. If so I dont know what you could explain to them as he is looking out for their welfare. Last thought I wonder if Baez really believes that Gearaldo is a good friend now or not after getting info and exposing it. I am sure Perry has gotten wind of it and it is another mess he has to deal with.

 

[jeanadave]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

 

[Conservative Hippie]

If Mason is "fired," what happens to the DT? Baez is not death penalty qualified.

 

[Samba]

Maybe Cheney "Matlock" Mason does want out. I myself would have slipped under the table and escaped long ago.

Didn't the Menendez bros have to take the stand to testify to their abuse. Unless GA helps out or the defense takes another track....there may be a trainwreck coming.

 

[mrsksomeday]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

Wow, that makes me really sad I wonder if Caylee saw that evil face often, maybe even on the day she died?

 

[LisaR]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

 

[T*Bird]

First off I am trying to understand why CM asked that officer about Casey being handcuffed. I thought maybe he was going after miranda rights issue. But that was not the case. Well then the day prior I remember Perry telling the DT needs to be careful about cracking doors so a mac truck wont come through. Well Linda sure pushed that door open the rest of the way.

I am wondering if CM had enough of Baez and thought this may be a way out of this situation. Because right after wards it seemed to me ( I could be wrong ) and some one can point it out if I am wrong. But it might have been a relief to get out of it. He did not seem upset, in fact I thought he was smiling a few minutes later.

I feel that if Lee could not go through with the statement it may help him to realize that everyone is trying to manipulate him. He is better off with out the family in life so that maybe he can heal from all this. It is sad to be all alone but makes life alot easier than being told what to do especially if all it will do is hurt everyone involved. I believe Cindy is the manipulator and has gotten her way in the marriage with out George every having any input what so ever.

In the begining the police did the right thing as they had no reason to arresst her. Besides you dont want to arresst until your sure, or other wise you may have to let them go and then no chance to do it again if real evidence comes out. The police have nothing to gain, they would of had no idea this would be a case that would be high profile.

I dont know if the rest of the DT knows what Baez is upto or not. I would love to know what they are thinking. I mean they are all working pro bono. If CM knew that Baez was not turning things to the state properly it is his responsibility to say something. I think CM has had enough. Baez has caused so many problems, and not conducted himself the way he should. I mean all attorneys from both sides to things that may be off but not to the point where they know you are violating a court order.

Perry is certainly caught in a huge mess and I admire how he is dealing with all of it . I know I couldnt do it I would have gone off on Baez. I guess we will all see what happens tomorrow morning. The poor jury, I dont know if Perry has to tell them anything or not. If so I dont know what you could explain to them as he is looking out for their welfare. Last thought I wonder if Baez really believes that Gearaldo is a good friend now or not after getting info and exposing it. I am sure Perry has gotten wind of it and it is another mess he has to deal with.

Great points!

You're so right about Lee. He would be so much better off coming clean about everything he knows and then washing his hands of the whole family (Well, Cindy for sure). He could then live his life in peace and not as a pariah.

I'm glad we have police officers who have gut instincts about people which are usually correct, but who are professional and do a thorough job, not leaving any stone unturned. If they believed every lie they were told, no crimes would ever be solved.

I think you are probably not too far off in your thoughts about CM. Hopefully, we will learn tomorrow!

 

[plutotek]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

Oh, if only we'd had just a little wider view from the camera. That seems to indicate she's angry at JB and directing CM to do something about it. Maybe it's JB she wants to get rid of and wants CM to help?? Maybe the reported yelling by CM was due to arguing w/JB about what a donkey he's been and that ICA wants him off the case??

 

[T*Bird]

If Mason is "fired," what happens to the DT? Baez is not death penalty qualified.

I heard this discussed on Saturday on HLN. Apparently there is a female attorney who was on the DT early on (don't remember her name) and is technically still on the team, but not present in the courtroom. I believe someone said she is supposed to participate in the penalty phase if there is one, and she is death penalty qualified. (and there had better be one!)