Casey Anthony TRIAL Thread #4

[jeanadave]

Oh, if only we'd had just a little wider view from the camera. That seems to indicate she's angry at JB and directing CM to do something about it. Maybe it's JB she wants to get rid of and wants CM to help??

I think the view where Casey is entering the courtroom (after the very angry face) and won't look at JB is quite telling also. Notice the look on JB's face as she is sitting down.

 

[T*Bird]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

Wow! I'd hate to see that face in a dark alley!

 

[hellokitty86]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

WOW!!

 

[mrsksomeday]

Last post from Kurby was a little over 12 hours ago... wonder if Nicole is on the way or has arrived?

 

[T*Bird]

I've been watching Geraldo's Fox show, and he and his guests were discussing (once again ) the lack of a real motive. They were saying it didn't make sense that she would kill her child just so she could party. That made me think about those texts between Casey and not Tony. (can't remember the guy's name, but I had thought it was Tony when I read them). I think if the jury could have seen those, it would have made her motive so much clearer. It wasn't just that she wanted to "party", but more that she wanted to be free to do whatever she pleased.

 

[diznygirl]

A lot of good thinking going on here. I think you guys are lose to the truth - it has to do with the defense team, and CM is pissed.

Am I remembering what I read correctly, that this could possibly go to the jury next Saturday, July 2? I'll be in MN for my sister's wedding! I have no smart phone, I am going to go crazy all afternoon wondering what's going on! As we speak, DH is out looking into mobile wifi so the two days we are driving out there I can stay connected to the happenings of the trial! I know I can listen on XM to HLN's coverage, but not sure I want my kids hearing it, not to mention DH could probably stand it for about 10 minutes and that's it!

I think everyone who is going to be out of the loop should PM Mare their phone number, and she will personally call each and every one of you with the verdict.

She's THAT dedicated! ]





Perhaps Kurby will do us the favor of giving birth so we don't have to update the Nicole Birth Pool list.

 

[LisaR]

I hadn't read this article on Baez before. I knew some of the details like his foreclosed house, ex-wife, and his bikini business but I didn't know that he had a teenaged daughter. That poor girl. I hope she has taken on her mother's maiden name.

I also didn't know this:

He defended a man accused of killing a well known boxer's granddaughter. That man, Nilton Diaz, was convicted of manslaughter. Diaz filed a motion for a new trial claiming Baez was a defective attorney. His motion was denied.

Defective?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-defense-attorney-jose-baez/story?id=13784113

 

[T*Bird]

Last post from Kurby was a little over 12 hours ago... wonder if Nicole is on the way or has arrived?

Has to be! I guess we'll find that out tomorrow, too!

 

[wdwmom0f3]

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

Something made her mad! Why did it make me happy to see her so mad? My guess is that she is like that a lot when she doesn't get her way. Poor baby. (not!)

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Has to be! I guess we'll find that out tomorrow, too!

I was thinking the same thing. I hope everything is going well for them.

 

[mrsksomeday]

I've been watching Geraldo's Fox show, and he and his guests were discussing (once again ) the lack of a real motive. They were saying it didn't make sense that she would kill her child just so she could party.

Bolding by me... Geraldo thought that was a "lack of real motive". He needs to look at the Diane Downs and Susan Smith cases. Both wanted to be free from the children in their lives. They both thought the guys they were with would love them if the kids were gone . Casey wanted a guy to rescue her from her life of no money, no future, and having to live with her parents.

Geraldo makes me sick, he is not a journalist, he is a tabloid tv idiot.

 

[LisaR]

In the case I mentioned above, Baez defended a guy named Nilton Diaz who happened to sell Disney Timeshares (not important but fitting for The Dis).

This man did take the stand which gives me hope that Baez will convince Casey to take the stand as well.

It looks like Baez tried to pin the death of the little girl on the mother who he portrayed as:

a bad mother who was cold and emotionless in the face of the child's tragedy.

And now he is defending Casey. Talk about a cold and emotionless mother! I wonder how he would compare Casey to this other mother?

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Cindy could be in real trouble. Do you think that the prosecution will call her on this?

oops wrong link, try this one: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Should be the link to the video "Tony Pipitone dissects Cindys testimony" (picture of Cindy & Caylee getting into pool)

It's still going to the wrong link, but you can click on the video below the one it goes to.

 

[T*Bird]

Bolding by me... Geraldo thought that was a "lack of real motive". He needs to look at the Diane Downs and Susan Smith cases. Both wanted to be free from the children in their lives. They both thought the guys they were with would love them if the kids were gone . Casey wanted a guy to rescue her from her life of no money, no future, and having to live with her parents.

Geraldo makes me sick, he is not a journalist, he is a tabloid tv idiot.

That's it exactly! They focused only on the word "party", but that is far too simplified. It went way beyond that.

 

[hambirg]

First, this is my first post. Been following a thread on Facebook and the people there just got too vicious for me and really did not care about the facts.

I re-watched the video of Saturday and have my theory. First, I do not believe it is Baez accusing Ashton or Linda of anything or vice versa. First because it was started by Mason and second those type of things they argue in front of the cameras. They have no problem accusing each other of anything. Also, Casey was not happy about whatever happened.

Now based on the fact that Mason asked to speak to the Judge and the first 12 minutes of the meeting were w/o the Prosecutors - I feel it is a problem within the defense team.

If Mason was complaining or accusing the prosecutors of something the judge would have had them in the meeting. After the initial meeting which Casey attended - they come out and speak with Ashton and Linda and Jeff seems to say something to the effect of "no way are we doing this off the record". At that point, Linda and Jeff go into the meeting. At some point it is reported that Mason can be heard yelling in that meeting.

When they exit Jeff Ashton is mildly irritated by not angry and waving his arms, etc. as we have seen him when he has been accused of anything.

So I think there is a problem within the Casey defense, perhaps one of the following:

1. Is it possible that they want to change lead counsel from Baez to Mason and put Baez on the back burner so that they can escape the opening statement? That does now take any legal procedure. The DT simply just switches up.

2. They are changing their defense strategy - remember the conversation last week where the Judge asked them what it was? They may have wished to give the Judge a heads up that they are changing their approach away from the stupid opening statement. Perhaps George is going to back the molestation charge or take the 5th when asked. Again, that does not take any procedure. They just simply switch up their strategy. Take for example a rape case. . .the DNA evidence comes back that the defendant is excluded. The DT simply follows procedure to gets the new evidence admitted, and then calls for a dismissal.
3. Casey wants one of the lawyers off the team or one of the lawyers wants to quit. Bingo I think!
4. Mason who by all accounts of the local media is very well respected and ethical has found out something unethical and is doing his duty and bringing the matter to the Judge's attention. There is no doubt that the testimony of Cindy and Lee was very carefully worded to avoid contradicting their depositions and to avoid a possible perjury charge and was carefully rehearsed. Channel 6-Orlando Tony Pipitone has reported that on the days Cindy said she called George about the pool ladder that their phone records show no calls between them. If there was perjury it could easily take a day for them to come up with how to handle it. But the State would be included in any of that.

I do not think it is a plea deal just can't see Casey taking one. She would have to stand up in court and admit that she did it and tell them exactly how it happened and they must be able to believe it. I don't think so either. There is no reason the State would accept a plea at this point. It's not like she can offer to turn States witness against other people.

Anyone know if it was proper for Lee to overhear what his parents said and then call Mr. Baez?

Probably not, as it would be heresy.

 

[T*Bird]

Cindy could be in real trouble. Do you think that the prosecution will call her on this?
oops wrong link, try this one: http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Should be the link to the video "Tony Pipitone dissects Cindys testimony" (picture of Cindy & Caylee getting into pool)

It's still going to the wrong link, but you can click on the video below the one it goes to.

Is the Pope Catholic? .....or.......Is Casey Anthony a liar?

You could tell LJB must already know her phone records don't show any calls to George. Either that or she is just really locking Cindy into that story before they can verify it. Once again, Cindy goes overboard with the details of how she will call George on his work phone first, blah, blah, blah.

And those work records! It's as plain as day.

I cannot wait for the State's rebuttal!

Thanks for the link!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

You just incriminated yourself.

Next thing you will tell is is that yOur dysfunctional family is the reason you failed to read the first post....how long? 31 days? We are onto you!

I'm so ashamed of myself for not reading The First Post. HOWEVER...I do usually know what's in it!

The things I ponder while in the car with my daughter. She is telling me about her math tutor and when she finishes, I say, "I don't think it had anything to do with Baez talking to Geraldo. If that was the issue, I doubt Cheney Mason would have made a statement. Why make any kind of statement if you were just reprimanded for the same thing?"

DD's response: "How much longer until this trial is over?"

That's hilarious! I've been doing that too. Today I went outside and said to DH "That was a DIFFERENT Tony...some cop or something." And he's "".

Glad you got your iphone...now you have no excuse to not be here tomorrow during your sons appointment.

DS has to help me set it up so I can do that smartphone thingie (First Post) to watch the trial...?? He's out at a grad party. Do you think it would be inappropriate to say to the Dr "Hang on a minute..."? Or ask him to wait until a sidebar if he needs to talk to me?

Some quotes from the trial:

Priceless!

Richard cracks me up, this is from Twitter:

RichardHornsby
#FlashMob Alert! At exactly 9:17 a.m., entire gallery in #CaseyAnthony trial is to break out into rendition of Y "C M A"! Costumes optional.

Love it!

timeline is listed in the first post on page 1...under Interesting/Important Links.

I don't think so. I couldn't sleep last night and was reading a lot on WS. This is kind of what I took from all that. I think Cheney Mason wants out.

First, he made the mistake when he was questioning CA, allowing the State to talk about the check (or CC) fraud. I just don't think his heart is in this. So, I'm sure he took some heat for that.

Second, I learned that if the DT (defense team) doesn't bring up any evidence of the abuse, they can't talk about it in their closing argument. It was a stupid thing for them to come with that wacky opening statement when they didn't have any evidence to back it up. I'm sure CM knew this.

If you look at the video from yesterday. . .CM puts his head down and rubs his face, like he is really frustrated, during JB getting into it with the State and basically calling HHBP biased. I think CM had had enough at that point. He calls the sidebar and says it's not related to the matter at hand. He also calls off the court reporter. . .he does not want whatever he said to be on record. Next the DT meets with ICA. From what I understood from lawyers on WB, he can not take himself off the case now that they are in trial. The only way for him to be dismissed is for ICA to fire him basically. I think that is why people said they heard him shouting during this time. I can believe that he does not want to be tied to JB in any way. . .CM has a good reputation and doesn't want to lose that due to JB and his crappy law practice.

The only reason for HHBP to call the DT into his chambers without the State is something internal withing the DT or some issue directly related to ICA. Any other reason, plea, misconduct, etc, the State would be their too. It would also explain why that meeting was sealed. I imagine that ICA must give a reason to dismiss CM.

One more thing. . .absolutely the DT was expecting Lee to say that his parents suspected that he was Caylee's father. JB asked like 3 times, "Is there anything else you want to tell me?" When LA didn't drop that bombshell and provide the evidence they needed, it really threw a wrench in the defense. Does anyone remember that CA wasn't ready to take the stand because she was in the bathroom? I bet she left at some point during Lee's testimony because she was PO'd!!!! That's why there was not any acknowledgment between them, why he ate alone, etc. He just couldn't admit to something that most likely isn't true.

This is total speculation on my part. . .BUT does anybody think that maybe CA found something at sometime and confronted ICA about it. . .and that's when ICA brought up the alleged abuse? CA seems pretty nosy and ICA was obviously a promiscuous wh*re! So CA find some birth control pills, condoms, maybe a Planned Parenthood pamphlet and ICA lies like she always does to cover her self and says she's a "good girl" and it's because GA and/or LA are messing with her. I think that is totally believable.

Back to CM. I think the DT thinks they have to put ICA on the stand now. . .and being the bozo that JB is he thinks that he has to do that. CM knows that that is baaaaaad news. . .another reason he wants out. I believe that CM is totally anti DP and want ICA to get a fair trial and to not get that. . ..but he knows at this point that the DT is going down. They are actually making the situation worse!

Just my thoughts. What are yours?

I think these are some very good possibilities, in a very confusing case.

I don't know what I am going to do when this trial ends. I feel like I need my fix and I hate that because this is such a sad sad trial.

I know, huh?

I wish someone would compile a list of Judge Perry-isms. I heard him make some comment to Baez on Friday (I think it was Baez) about closing arguments and telling him that he could have half a day or until the jurors fell asleep - or something to that effect.

That was classic! At the risk of sounding like Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz, I'm going to miss Judge Perry most of all.

I was a good mom today and spent the day with the kids in the pool so what did I miss?

Kurby!! How are you? I have not seen any recent posts by you, does this mean she is on her way?

I am sitting on pins and needles for the trial to start tomorrow. I think I'll get up early and make a big yummy breakfast to get the day started off right. I just hope that we find out what all of this was about. My guess now is that it has something to do with CM, or something with the defense team. I'm hoping so anyway.

Hopefully everyone caught up on things on their "day off" today! I do hope we find out tomorrow what happened yesterday. (Was that only YESTERDAY??) Hope it's not one of those things that is just never explained.

Wow, that makes me really sad I wonder if Caylee saw that evil face often, maybe even on the day she died?

Awful thought. We've heard things, and we've come up with theories, but what actually happened, what did Casey do and what did Caylee experience? That video gave us a sneak peak of a behavior we haven't seen much of...not the happy perky Casey in the pictures and described by her friends. Ugh.

Last post from Kurby was a little over 12 hours ago... wonder if Nicole is on the way or has arrived?

I hope all is well!!!

I think everyone who is going to be out of the loop should PM Mare their phone number, and she will personally call each and every one of you with the verdict.

She's THAT dedicated!

I haven't even tried making a phone call with my new phone! Does it do that too?

 

[wdwmom0f3]

Is the Pope Catholic? or Is Casey Anthony a liar?

You could tell LJB must already know her phone records don't show any calls to George. Either that or she is just really locking Cindy into that story before they can verify it. Once again, Cindy goes overboard with the details of how she will call George on his work phone first, blah, blah, blah.

And those work records! It's as plain as day.

I cannot wait for the State's rebuttal!

Thanks for the link!

I can't wait for it either! You know, I really felt bad for Cindy but when she said all of this that day I lost it for her because it was obvious that she was lying. This just proves it.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

In the case I mentioned above, Baez defended a guy named Nilton Diaz who happened to sell Disney Timeshares (not important but fitting for The Dis).

This man did take the stand which gives me hope that Baez will convince Casey to take the stand as well.

It looks like Baez tried to pin the death of the little girl on the mother who he portrayed as:

a bad mother who was cold and emotionless in the face of the child's tragedy.

And now he is defending Casey. Talk about a cold and emotionless mother! I wonder how he would compare Casey to this other mother?

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/28362472/index.html

Don't know if anyone's posted this link or not, but WOW. Casey finally shows some genuine emotion. ANGRY

She looks like she was super PO'd at Baez and expressing it to Cheney Mason, no? Wonder what tomorrow till bring!

 

[Seahunt]

says she's a "good girl" and it's because GA and/or LA are messing with her.

JMO but I can't believe that Cindy would stay with George for one minute if she thought he was messing with Casey. If not as a caring mom, I think the at least the nurse in her would get her child away in a minute.

As for Lee, if Cindy suspected or had proof of that, I think she would keep an eagle eye on him, but I don't know if she would go for help on that, because in one of her depositions she talks about how she probably should have gotten help for Lee and his depression.

And regarding Lee's depression, I don't remember reading if he experienced it for a long time, or if she was talking about after what happened with him and "Tara" (Mark Hawkins ex):

From Lee's myspace blogs 2006 to Tara about his heartbreak:

Sunday, December 10, 2006

F*** You
Current mood: irate
Category: Romance and Relationships

Was I supposed to let it go? I hear a bunch of moans and groans out there amongst the people that care about me. Is he seriously gonna go there...again?!? You know, at this point, I may have a right to. It doesn't even come down to being the bigger person or letting the **** go. It's obvious that your life has been so twisted and torn from the beginning that you've been ed up beyond repair. Imagine it, you sane people in blog land, because this **** is just bouncing right off of her naive sense of self worth, imagine going through life clinging, every second, to anything, and god knows, f***king anything that will eve f**n remotely acknowledge you. Imagine, feeling so worthless and helpless that when someone shows you an ounce of interest, you jump on it because you cannot fathom what true self respect or self worth is. Imagine, having a husband...separating from him...finding a boyfriend that cares for you endlessly...leave the boyfriend to go back to the husband as you come to find out you're carrying the boyfriend's child...lie to the husband that the child is his and proceed to get a divorce and cut all ties...neglect the relationship with the boyfriend because you "didn't know what to say to" him, and further sabotage it because you will only speak to him "now or never." Neglect the relationship to the point of having an abortion without the boyfriend knowing any of this was even going on...then, travel to Michigan to find the next husband to be...because, remember, anyone that will love you, must be worth it. Just throw it all away, for a different situation, not even a better one...unless better means less complex. Hahahaha. Are you serious? The perfect husband and son? The perfect family? Here's some news for you 'princess', the perfect family suggests the sums of all the parts to indeed be perfect as well. And though, I've only seen the pictures you've most whorishly portrayed (yeah, a little over the top on my comments, but f*** you), he could be a great guy after you get past the snaggle tooth and dorky appearance. Here it comes, the big come back, 'Oh, dorky? At least he doesn't love Star Wars.' Well you know what *****? At least I don't live in Michigan, last I checked they were runner up to the best school in the nation...OSU. Again, cheap shot...nothing to do with anything. Here's the point. Ever since I met you all you could do is wonder and talk about what other people thought of you. It was amusing at first, something I remember going through in...oh...well...f***ing high school?!?...yeah...well...as much sense as it makes now...I didn't put two and two together at that juncture...I suppose I was still enjoying the f***ing sessions during Sunday football when my friends were in the living room...or the ******on the couch... Anyways...again off topic? You'll have to excuse me, I'm not as centered or focused as you seem to be these days. I mean, my current situation with work, and my apt, and even past girls (eh hem) are well documented...but seeing as how you can go through a divorce, boyfriend, abortion, and engagement all in the matter of a month and a half and still say everything in the world is fabulous...hey, I suppose deep down I envy you. Hahahahaha, wait, holy ****...that didn't go over well did it? No one believed that one did they? OK, let's try this on for size. Not only do I not envy you, I dispise you. Everything you've said or done over the past few weeks have been nothing short than to lie and manipulate yourself into the life that you've been seeking. A life, apparently showen through your actions, of denial and 'stability' which you would describe as a husband and a place to call home. Hahaha. You're a moron and undeserving of anything righteous or respectable in this world. I hold your memory as bitter as I hold an encounter with a bum on the street. You say you're happy, you say it's the perfect life, the perfect family...well help the rest of the sane world and stay there. My prayer...my prayer was once to realize what was truly taken away from me. Now, it's to never be burdened with any form of compassion for your undeserving soul, ever again.

You want closure?
How's this for closure.
F*** you Tara.
I hope you freeze to death in michigan.
Too harsh? Yeah, well, ***** deserves it.[/QUOTE]

http://spoiledmom-mommyconfessions.blogspot.com/2008/12/lee-anthonys-blogs-just-when-you.html

There were lots of rumors about Mark H being the father, like this:

outofsiteoutofmind 23 Oct 08 at 20:41 -

Mark H IS the father. I am a mutual friend of his and Casey’s. SHE ADMITTED to me once that the father was a Marine. The reason why she will not admit that Mark is the father is because during the time they had their one night stand, Mark was dating a girl named Tara and was about to get married with her, and Casey was “serious” with Jesse Grund. They both cheated on the person they were with so instead of just telling Mark he was the father, she told Jesse he was instead so that it would not ruin her engagement to him, and so that it would not ruin Mark’s engagement to Tara. He soon there after joined the Marines and has been left in the dark until recently when his name exploded all over the media. He is now in denial because he does not wish to break his mother’s heart, and because he does not wish to ruin his current relationship with his current beauty queen girlfriend, Lauren.
He was recently flown out to FL for this investigation

http://www.dreamindemon.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-8637-p-10.html

I always thought when George said they didn't want to lose another one he was referring to Lee's baby that was aborted. I can imagine this scenario playing out as Lee loving Tara, who was engaged to Mark, Tara who got pregnant with Lee's baby (and aborted it), Mark who got Casey pregnant and shhh no one tell Lee that Mark was the father of Casey's baby it would kill him

Shoot - I can't remember where I was on June 16th of this year!!! Nor can I remember what I wore.

Ah, but can you remember if you searched for chloroform on the computer

I don't know why but I just found out Yuri Melich is a guy.

And oh, what a guy

I am reeling at the idea that Casey told her parents she wasn't pregnant until she was over seven months... and they BELIEVED her.

See what Jesse Grunds father says about Casey looking pg when he met her:

(Richard Grund on Nancy Grace Show 09/22/2008): (RICHARD GRUND, FATHER OF CASEY`S EX-FIANCE): "He [Jesse Grund] met her [Casey Anthony] at Universal Studios, when he was doing loss prevention, and she was actually working at Kodak during that time." - "They met. They dated briefly. She kind of scared him away with the immediate word "Love", I`m in love with you, within two weeks and latched on, and it kind of scared him away and they broke up." - "And Casey actually showed up at our house. First time I met Casey was summer of `05. I want to say June. She helped my younger son get a job at Kodak. I spotted right then and there she was pregnant, but she was telling everybody she had female problems and she wasn`t pregnant." "Well, about a month later, he gets a phone call from her [Casey] and she says, I need to talk to you. But Jesse is in the middle of a seminar for a new job. He says, I can`t talk to you right now, send me a text message. And so while he`s sitting there in the middle of this seminar, he gets a text message says, I`m pregnant and you`re the father. That`s it."

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_ant...meline2005.htm

Baez is kinda hot in a badboy sorta way.

More like a badclown kinda way to me

Not sounding stupid at all. It's completely plausible. Was she in high school when she got pregnant? Or did she drop out? Or am I entirely wrong in thinking that she didn't graduate?

She didn't graduate, and Cindy didn't find out until the absolute last minute, like the day before - had a family party planned and all! In one of the depositions they asked Cindy what she would have done if the counselor wouldn't have told them and she said they would have gone to the graduation! Just like Universal, Casey would have lied all the way up to not going across the stage to get her diploma

First, this is my first post.

Welcome to the Casey Anthony and Kurby-would-you-please-hurry-and-have-baby-Nicole board

Anyone know if it was proper for Lee to overhear what his parents said and then call Mr. Baez?

This is JMO but instead of his parents I wonder if it's something Lee saw someone do or say in the courtroom and then reported it to Baez at the meeting. For the life of me I don't know at that meeting if Lee was warning the Defense that he now knows something and is going to tell it so they know it's coming, or it's something on the Prosecution that the Defense can use.

And if this wasn't posted already, this is a good timeline on what happened Saturday in the courtroom with times and what order it happened in and the reactions of all, plus shows Casey in the holding cell, then Baez and Mason, and watch her arms when she comes out:

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/28355538/detail.html

(takes a minute to load, slow for some reason, at least on my computer)

Be sure to look at around 1:35 Casey is really glaring at Jeff A.