Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[MaryAnnDVC]

states says the duct tape over the mouth and nose is what killed caylee

why the need for chloriform?

So that Casey didn't have to have a physical battle with her to get the tape on?

 

[Kurby]

can someone tell me again why casey is in jail now?

if she was out on bond what happened that she got sent back in?i don tknow if i read it and forgot or just never found out

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Perry was talking about shifting of the burden of proof:

shifting the burden of proof n. in a lawsuit the plaintiff (the party filing suit) has the burden of proof to produce enough evidence to prove his/her/its basic (prima facie) case. If that burden is met, then the burden of proof shifts to the other party, putting the defendant in the position of having the burden to prove he/she has a defense. There may be shifts of burden of proof on specific factual issues during a trial, which may impact the opposing parties and their need to produce evidence.

So it seems their comes a point where a defense does have to prove something If I am understanding this correctly. (probably why there is such a thing as an alibi...defense just can't say their client didn't do it and call that a defense. They must SHOW it. I guess they aren't.)

 

[irishbosoxfan]

JB you are the lead detective--correct

Jb part of your job was to execute search warrants first in August--Yes

JB did you find any papers dealing with chloroform--No no papers

JB find any containers containing chloroform...rags....products used to make chloroform...receipts for purchase of chloroform....chemistry kits---No

JB second search warrant in December 11...any receipts,containers,rags, chemistry kits--No

JB were you looking for that--Would have to see search warrant

JB gets search warrant

Jb did you look for items--Yes

JB next is December 20 hands him 12/11 sw again YM tells hime where to find 12/20 sw

JB did you look again for chloroform items--No

JB why--we looked for it already on the 11th

JB did you do a thorough job on 12/11--believe so

JB any chloroform ever--No


LDB you got info about chloroform end of August--yes

LDB was defendant home on bail--yes



JB you can get a sw anytime you want--yes if evidence warrants

JB you got computer results --sw got on 12/11

JB so how many months--(I didnt hear his answer)

JB you didnt think evidence was significant enough--not that it wasnt significant--we were looking for a live child

JB when Casey arrested on 7/16...Oct 14 she was arrested again on more serious charges...you never went in to search till 12/11---thats correct





JB calls Dr Marcus Weiss

 

[Samba]

At last, we have a chemist!

...and a Boy Scout!

 

[ilovepete]

can someone tell me again why casey is in jail now?

if she was out on bond what happened that she got sent back in?i don tknow if i read it and forgot or just never found out

Serving time for stealing checks, I think?

 

[mrsksomeday]

JA what youre saying is that the proximity of the tape to rotting flesh has no bearing on the outcome---yes it does

(I know JA made a point with the above but I lost it )

If the tape was on the body and it was decomposing, that would increase the chance that the tape DNA would also be decomposing. If it was away from the body, the chance of degradation would be smaller. However, the environmental conditions would be a factor. It does make a difference if it is in contact with decomposing flesh.

(from websleuths)

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Marcus Wise, Forensic Scientist, on the stand now. Does not belong to any professional organizations, but IS a member of the Boy Scouts of America. This is his first time testifying as an expert.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

can someone tell me again why casey is in jail now?

if she was out on bond what happened that she got sent back in?i don tknow if i read it and forgot or just never found out

Believe she was arrested on the check charges. And while she was in for that, I think they got enough to keep her there for Caylee's death.

But she was rearrested on charges unrelated to Caylee to the sound of a cheering crowd of protesters.

 

[usnuzuloose]

can someone tell me again why casey is in jail now?

if she was out on bond what happened that she got sent back in?i don tknow if i read it and forgot or just never found out

Leonard Padilla bailed her out of jail because he thought she would lead them to Caylee, when she would do nothing to help find her he revolked the bail and she had to return to jail

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Nice Of the state to show that Casey had opportunity to get rid of chloroform evidence.

JB you are the lead detective--correct

Jb part of your job was to execute search warrants first in August--Yes

JB did you find any papers dealing with chloroform--No no papers

JB find any containers containing chloroform...rags....products used to make chloroform...receipts for purchase of chloroform....chemistry kits---No

JB second search warrant in December 11...any receipts,containers,rags, chemistry kits--No

JB were you looking for that--Would have to see search warrant

JB gets search warrant

Jb did you look for items--Yes

JB next is December 20 hands him 12/11 sw again YM tells hime where to find 12/20 sw

JB did you look again for chloroform items--No

JB why--we looked for it already on the 11th

JB did you do a thorough job on 12/11--believe so

JB any chloroform ever--No


LDB you got info about chloroform end of August--yes

LDB was defendant home on bail--yes



JB you can get a sw anytime you want--yes if evidence warrants

JB you got computer results --sw got on 12/11

JB so how many months--(I didnt hear his answer)

JB you didnt think evidence was significant enough--not that it wasnt significant--we were looking for a live child

JB when Casey arrested on 7/16...Oct 14 she was arrested again on more serious charges...you never went in to search till 12/11---thats correct





JB calls Dr Marcus Weiss

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Serving time for stealing checks, I think?

Would she be out if she wasn't serving time for her other felonies? I would imagine she'd have pretty high, unreachable bail, if any, for this murder charge. Who would trust her not to take off?

There was a case in RI where a guy was found guilty of murder, and NOT HELD...I guess he was supposed to just go back for sentencing. He and his wife disappeared that night or the next day. Their car was found on a bridge. There was speculation that they had staged a suicide and taken off. A long time later (?) one of her leg bones was found. Nothing of him has ever been found. That's one of those mysteries that makes me crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up alive someday. But...why they let him out after a conviction, I don't know. He had nothing to lose by taking off.

 

[Samba]

Gosh darn, HoseA can not even correctly question his own witness!! I may have to pour myself a drink.

BTW, where is Lawyer GaGa?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Would she be out if she wasn't serving time for her other felonies? I would imagine she'd have pretty high, unreachable bail, if any, for this murder charge. Who would trust her not to take off?

There was a case in RI where a guy was found guilty of murder, and NOT HELD...I guess he was supposed to just go back for sentencing. He and his wife disappeared that night or the next day. Their car was found on a bridge. There was speculation that they had staged a suicide and taken off. A long time later (?) one of her leg bones was found. Nothing of him has ever been found. That's one of those mysteries that makes me crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up alive someday. But...why they let him out after a conviction, I don't know. He had nothing to lose by taking off.

She got time served for the check charges and is in the clear on that. Once she was indicted for murder, she was no longer eligible for bail. Judge Alex on the Vinnie show stated that for certain crimes, you don't get out on bail. Attorneys can certainly request a hearing or something, but the judge usually will still deny bail.

At present, she is in jail on a murder indictment.

 

[ilovepete]

I missed it, what item did Dr. Weiss test?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

She got time served for the check charges and is in the clear on that. Once she was indicted for murder, she was no longer eligible for bail. Judge Alex on the Vinnie show stated that for certain crimes, you don't get out on bail. Attorneys can certainly request a hearing or something, but the judge usually will still deny bail.

At present, she is in jail on a murder indictment.

That's what I figured. I'd be surprised if she wasn't in jail.

 

[LisaR]

Hey! I've got a question for you guys. Can you give..........wait........um. Okay, never mind. Let me rephrase that. If I......no, no, if you were to......well, no, that wasn't phrased correctly. Um, never mind, I'll jut ask something else later.

 

[PUZZLDY5]

I have come to the conclusion that it's not the witnesses that make me sleepy, IT"S BEAZ!!!! OMG GET ON WITH IT MAN!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

So it seems their comes a point where a defense does have to prove something If I am understanding this correctly. (probably why there is such a thing as an alibi...defense just can't say their client didn't do it and call that a defense. They must SHOW it. I guess they aren't.)

Actually, I don't understand Burden of Proof. LOL I just know how to cut and paste. It was my understanding that the defense doesn't have to prove anything, or offer a defense or a case. So are you interpreting it to mean that since they made certain statements of proof/evidence (not quite sure how to word that), they need offer proof of it? Or am I way off? Or am I not making sense at all? lol

 

[usnuzuloose]

Hey! I've got a question for you guys. Can you give..........wait........um. Okay, never mind. Let me rephrase that. If I......no, no, if you were to......well, no, that wasn't phrased correctly. Um, never mind, I'll jut ask something else later.

So... um what are you asking? No what are you saying?