Casey Anthony Trial Thread #3

[dnoyes]

ok seriously - who in that family spits tobacco??

this is the first i've heard of it being in the garbage/trash bag and now he's saying there were "cans" of it??

that's just disgusting

The trash was from her boyfriends apartment.

 

[crz4mm2]

LOL. Bug guy looks very afraid.

 

[Kurby]

ashton does need to calm down a little - he's coming across as being pissy

 

[Mosoh]

Cheney laughing....odd

 

[Kurby]

The trash was from her boyfriends apartment.

oh ok - i missed that in the beginning.


bug guy looks shocked that the cans are empty LOL -

 

[mellvswdw1]

I think bug boy looks like he is going to throwup.

 

[ilovepete]

MaryAnnDVC - she gave like a shock look. Almost like nobody had brought that up yet, it might not be on people's minds. Maybe she was "found out".

 

[joviroxx]

My BIL does that snuff stuff, it doesn't sit and rot! IT stinks, but like snuff, not like its rotting.

 

[Kurby]

how many times has bug guy been in court? not knocking his youth but he looks like he's questioning himself and his experience - he's looking more like a newby

 

[usnuzuloose]

This is terrible, for the defense. if I wowed Baez I would be slumping in my chair.

 

[Mosoh]

This is terrible, for the defense. if I wowed Baez I would be slumping in my chair.

I'd be peeing my pants

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I can take great joy in it because "experts" like this will help convict Casey. Without Ashton's harsh cross-examination, the jury may have walked away thinking this guy disputed everything the state has been saying.

Bug guy has a wedding ring on.....

How many legs does she have?

ashton does need to calm down a little - he's coming across as being pissy

I think he's doing great!

JA on the attack!!

Gets Witness says that body moved during the early stages of decay

How many days does it take to go thru early stages of decay==Witness basically says no clue

Avg temp minus Minimum base temp--determines what accumulated degree
temperature is

2 days at 90 degrees AT--would be 180 degrees ADT

Witness says how long before body moved to Suburban was within 2 or 3 days of death based on current temperature of 95 degrees

And that body consistent with having been at site since that time

Body was moved late in feeding stage of maggots-early maggots had left the body already or maggots were removed from the body then body transported or body placed into bags then moved

JA asks if he's forgetting 4th reason and that if body may have been inaccessible--Witness says it had to have been accessible at some time

JA holds up pig picture and asked how long the bugs took to appear--Witness says they don't appear all at once

Witness asked to read from Haskells report about early bug colonizers---reduced # of colonizers was in an area where colonizers would be excluded-- JA asks Do you take issue with what Haskell says?

Witness says Depends on environmental conditions--JA is anything different about environmental conditions--Witness ..no

JA Would place body held smell...it would stink---Witness yes
JA you wouldn't be able to get the stink out---Yes
JA you can't clean it out you can't get it out--Yes
JA smell of decomp is recognizable--Yes

When you examined Sunfire-- did you examine it in July 2010 more than 2 years after--the liner had been removed--garbage had been removed

SIDEBAR called by JB


Back from Sidebar

JA when you examined the trunk it smelled right--yes could've been garbage
JA when would you think garbage would still smell 2 years later--dont leave garbage in trunk


When were you hired--Dec 2009
JA when did you do this experiment--Sep 2010
JA did you do this experiment for the defense--No
JA discuss with defense you were going to do this experiment--yes
Witness says he did this for himself not specifically modeled on this case
JA how many cases have you worked on case with a body in the trunk--None
JA so all this experimenting has no bearing
JA how many cases involve children--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets stuffed in garbage bags--None
how many cases involve children wrapped in blankets stuffed in garbage bags
stuffed in a laundry bag--None

JA why didn't you wrap your pigs in a blanket--LOL

JA you only included 1 barrier--Witness says even if he did that flies would still have penetrated trunk
JA did any of the studies you looked at have bodies wrapped up--Witness yes1 case it involved a homicide(Snicker..lol)

JA you just told the jury based on that 1 study that bugs couldn't get to the body--Witness sorry not my intent to do that

JA have you done any experiments on chloroform with bugs--No
JA chloroform used to kill bugs right--Yes
JA if chloroform in trunk what affect would it have on early colonizers--Don't know but level would have to be high
JA if you change the air you change the attraction for the bugs--Bugs would still be attracted
JA you acknowledge theres no study that youre basing that on--I find it unlikely what youre suggesting
JA what I'm suggesting is that the chemical content was changed and you just dont know what if any affect that would have do you--Flies dont smell odor the same way you and I do..changing the content of the air the chmicals..you would have to replace the volatiles the flys are attracted to to change their attractivness
JA you will acknowledge there is no study on this--yes


JA paper towels...what was on them---I dont know
JA you never read a report?--witness refers to report..fatty acids such as the ones detected indicated adopecere
JA any reason to dispute the findings--No
JA tell the jury what it is--decomposition
JA would flies be attracted--yes
JA but you think the were attracted to tobaco spit-I don't know if spit was a "liitle bit" the presence of flies on paper towels not something youd expect to find if towels had adopocere
JA showing pic of container of spit

Witness says 4 or 5 cans were used as a spitoon
JA asks how you can tell from this photo
Witness says he cant he has a photo of the tops of the cans

Ja says well we have those items here and proceeds to rip open a box with the cans in it!!!

Good summary! Gold star for YOU today!

 

[Kurby]

how is it able to even be a witness when he's just seen photographs and not the actual garbage?

how can you testify about a picture?

 

[crz4mm2]

There is no food in the trash.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

JA opens a bag and hands it to the witness

Witness not one of the cans
JA opens another one-witness says this is one
JA so your talking about the brownish stain
W that wouldve attracted flies
J nothing in the can
W cant tell would need a flashlight or can cut open
J reports say can empty
W would have evaporated
J shows report that says cans empty--no bugs were recovered from cans
W no bugs in can but seen pics of bugs on cans
J what pics
W don't know
J spit doesnt smell like decomp does it
W dont know if i could say ever because its a body fluid
J decompsing saliva smells like a full decomposing body
W i didnt say that I wouldnt say it smells like a full body
J you would say no food in bag
W nothing I would eat in bag
J nothing in here that could be eaten if fresh--there is no food in this bag
W theres a salami container but i dont know whats in it but outside of that i dont see anything i'd eat
J lets pull it out

HHBP calls for recess

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

can we make a judgement call that if cloriform will knock out a person that it would prob kill a bug

and that the scent of it would keep bugs away until it goes away

is that a posibility?

One would think.......

Asheton is fantastic. I so wish the jury was hearing this.

 

[dnoyes]

how many times has bug guy been in court? not knocking his youth but he looks like he's questioning himself and his experience - he's looking more like a newby

Started in 2002. So around 9 years

 

[Kurby]

How many legs does she have? I think he's doing great! Good summary! Gold star for YOU today!

oh i think he's doing a great job too but he's jumping too fast and being told to let the witnes finish or don't show evidence until given permission.

just take a breath over the break and stedy himself

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Does the state of Florida pay for the defense experts?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Asheton is fantastic. I so wish the jury was hearing this.

They did.

JA opens a bag and hands it to the witness

Witness not one of the cans
JA opens another one-witness says this is one
JA so your talking about the brownish stain
W that wouldve attracted flies
J nothing in the can
W cant tell would need a flashlight or can cut open
J reports say can empty
W would have evaporated
J shows report that says cans empty--no bugs were recovered from cans
W no bugs in can but seen pics of bugs on cans
J what pics
W don't know
J spit doesnt smell like decomp does it
W dont know if i could say ever because its a body fluid
J decompsing saliva smells like a full decomposing body
W i didnt say that I wouldnt say it smells like a full body
J you would say no food in bag
W nothing I would eat in bag
J nothing in here that could be eaten if fresh--there is no food in this bag
W theres a salami container but i dont know whats in it but outside of that i dont see anything i'd eat
J lets pull it out

HHBP calls for recess