Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[MaryAnnDVC]

Ugly tattoo....

It IS ugly. I've studied calligraphy, and that is some ugly writing, along with the surrounding frufru. Yuck. I like the idea of a "Bella Vita" tattoo, just not like that, and not after one murders their child.

Vent. I can't stand Ann Curry on The Today Show. I swear, she doesn't actually listen to what she's saying. She stumbles over what she says constantly. Today she said something about "Casey Anthony's face superimposed over Caylee's face and the skull and all." Not a BIG deal, but I've noticed over the years that she stumbles a lot, and it irks me. Just does.

 

[schumigirl]

I have been following this trial since the begining too, and thank you to the OP who provided all the links in the first post. They have been invaluable.

Can I just ask a couple of questions just so I`m clear on a couple of things.

She got the tattoo Bella Vita during the time Cayley was missing??

And the diary entry when she wrote about making the right decision, that was dated June 21st....that was her 08 diary??

I follow the wftv coverage every day and join in on the blog too. It is such a heartbreaking case but I find myself not wanting to miss a minute, which sadly I haven`t according to my family.

They are getting used to an early dinner when court breaks for lunch due to time difference!! But we don`t have anything like this in the UK as trials are never televised.

I truly believe she is guilty and at times struggle to understand how she can live with herself knowing what she did to beautiful little Caylee. Watching her cry when jury are in, and then watch the skull reconstruction video before the jury were in and could watch no problem was infuriating to watch.

I also despise Baez with such a passion!!!

I love Bill Sheaffer and Kathi Bellich`s contributions too.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I have been following this trial since the begining too, and thank you to the OP who provided all the links in the first post. They have been invaluable.

Can I just ask a couple of questions just so I`m clear on a couple of things.

She got the tattoo Bella Vita during the time Cayley was missing?? Yes she did. She evidently also had another appointment to get another tattoo. But I don't know what that tattoo was supposed to be.

And the diary entry when she wrote about making the right decision, that was dated June 21st....that was her 08 diary??It had an earlier year on the date (2003), but the diary was not sold until 2004. Plus pages are missing. I have a strong inkling that while she was so extraordinarily busy while she was bonded out.

I follow the wftv coverage every day and join in on the blog too. It is such a heartbreaking case but I find myself not wanting to miss a minute, which sadly I haven`t according to my family.

They are getting used to an early dinner when court breaks for lunch due to time difference!! But we don`t have anything like this in the UK as trials are never televised.

I truly believe she is guilty and at times struggle to understand how she can live with herself knowing what she did to beautiful little Caylee. Watching her cry when jury are in, and then watch the skull reconstruction video before the jury were in and could watch no problem was infuriating to watch.

I also despise Baez with such a passion!!!

I love Bill Sheaffer and Kathi Bellich`s contributions too.

Welcome!

 

[schumigirl]

Thank you so much

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I would be the farm that admitting she did something won't happen. And it is in her interest to have a mistrial. Why would she admit to something when a mistrial guarantees she won't be found guilty right now. She got all this attention (except when focus was on Caylee) and a mistrial means she gets to do it all over again.

She has zero incentive to plea.

I'm not saying the defense will take a plea, but if they did, I'd be fine with it. I don't think Casey will come out and admit she did anything wrong, but by accepting a plea, the end result would be the same, as far as I'm concerned. It certainly would be in her best interest to have a mistrial VS a conviction and sentenced to death, but we don't know what the outcome will be. I'm not saying that giving her an option of a mistrial or a plea (because that's NOT an option, obviously) means she'd take a plea...of course not. But from both sides, they may reach the point where a plea would be preferable than following through with the rest of the trial. I do think Baez and Casey are both cocky enough to think they've got it made...that they've injected enough reasonable doubt, and that if she is convicted, they'll win an appeal.

 

[joviroxx]

Those pics are heartwrenching. I think, however, the one that got me the most was the pic of her whole skeleton laid out for the autopsy. I saw that one and let out a gasp. Broke my heart.

I am having a difficult time establishing WHY she would be ANGRY at all at any time when seeing the photos.

Because she doesn't like seeing them. If she doesn't like it, she gets mad. Her brow furrows, she gives quick glances to her attorneys and the drama ensues.

I also noticed that she had her head down the entire time that the prosecution was speaking and then when her attorney took over she held her head up and even laughed a little at the trash/garbage questioning. I could just smack her!

Drama queen at work!

I would take a mistrial over a plea.

I don't think she should get off based on an accident that she is lying about.

State can do it again and they can crop her out and voila--

Anger, to me, is just the wrong emotion and her courtroom conduct is just going to tick off the state who knows they have the right person. JMHO. YMMV.

I think Id prefer a plea. I don't think the state is willing to give anything but death so I don't see a plea possible. I still think that Casey really believes she will get off, she is THAT egocentric.

I remember during a pre-trial hearing Jeff Ashton was presenting the duct tape evidence and she whispered to Baez "make him stop". Baez just looked at her and said, "I can't". And then she pouted. Its just all about Casey.

 

[joviroxx]

I found this interesting. Its about the Chlorophyll searches:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/09/caylee-anthony-case-84-times/

 

[LisaR]

I saw a male tattoo artist interviewed a while back...not sure if he owns the place or if he actually did the tattoo...but all I really heard him say was what a great mom Casey seemed to be. I do wonder what Casey actually said about the tattoo itself when she had it done.

This is the problem I have with most of the state's witnesses that aren't medical experts. All of Casey's friends and acquaintances have testified that she seemed to be a wonderful, fantastic mom that loved her daughter dearly. I know they are trying to bolster their case by telling us Casey was partying and having fun while her daughter was dead but it doesn't help when everyone testifies that she was a great mother. I hope the state ties in a legitimate reason that Casey would go from "great mother" to murderer.

 

[joviroxx]

I'm not saying the defense will take a plea, but if they did, I'd be fine with it. I don't think Casey will come out and admit she did anything wrong, but by accepting a plea, the end result would be the same, as far as I'm concerned. It certainly would be in her best interest to have a mistrial VS a conviction and sentenced to death, but we don't know what the outcome will be. I'm not saying that giving her an option of a mistrial or a plea (because that's NOT an option, obviously) means she'd take a plea...of course not. But from both sides, they may reach the point where a plea would be preferable than following through with the rest of the trial. I do think Baez and Casey are both cocky enough to think they've got it made...that they've injected enough reasonable doubt, and that if she is convicted, they'll win an appeal.

I agree with you there!

 

[Kurby]

she would be appealing for years to come.

she would take full and total advantage of every single process to keep her face in the media so that she could get out of her cell and be seen.

until she dies she will never go away. though other trials will come up and take over "HER" spotlight but she'll do her best to make sure someone pays attention to her.

i smell a lawsuit in a few years - i'll guess it will have something to do about how mistreated she is and how the county owes her for her trouble.

 

[joviroxx]

This is the problem I have with most of the state's witnesses that aren't medical experts. All of Casey's friends and adequateness have testified that she seemed to be a wonderful, fantastic mom that loved her daughter dearly. I know they are trying to bolster their case by telling us Casey was partying and having fun while her daughter was dead but it doesn't help when everyone testifies that she was a great mother. I hope the state ties in a legitimate reason that Casey would go from "great mother" to murderer.

Im really interested to hear the state's closing argument. I find LDB and Ashton to be really good and Im looking forward to see how they present everything to the jury. I want to hear how they connect everything and give them a clear picture and viewpoint. I also have a feeling they are holding on to some witnesses for their rebuttal and if I remember correctly, there were psychiatrist that the defense had used that are no longer on their witness list but they are now on the state's list. I just don't know if they are intended for this guilt phase or they are for the penalty stage.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Im really interested to hear the state's closing argument. I find LDB and Ashton to be really good and Im looking forward to see how they present everything to the jury. I want to hear how they connect everything and give them a clear picture and viewpoint. I also have a feeling they are holding on to some witnesses for their rebuttal and if I remember correctly, there were psychiatrist that the defense had used that are no longer on their witness list but they are now on the state's list. I just don't know if they are intended for this guilt phase or they are for the penalty stage.

I swear I'm getting anxiety attacks about the outcome with the approach of the end of this trial.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

This is the problem I have with most of the state's witnesses that aren't medical experts. All of Casey's friends and adequateness have testified that she seemed to be a wonderful, fantastic mom that loved her daughter dearly. I know they are trying to bolster their case by telling us Casey was partying and having fun while her daughter was dead but it doesn't help when everyone testifies that she was a great mother. I hope the state ties in a legitimate reason that Casey would go from "great mother" to murderer.

People change--or people are very good at making things seem okay.

Remember the husband's that kill their wives? To the outside world--they seemed a loving couple....he was a great guy...they never fought...

Then you find out that looks can be deceiving and they were lying about something somewhere along the line. Things came to a head and they got rid of their problem.

Caylee was certainly crimping Casey's style. Just because she WAS a good mother, she clearly did not STAY a good mother. The appearance at least is what enabled her to hide so well for that month. Noone suspected anything until her car was found, her parents discovered she was lying about her whereabouts and the good mother could no longer hide.

I don't think their testimony provides the reasonable doubt necessary as she has too much that went wrong to show that at some point, she went to the dark side. Good mothers don't leave their babies with their sexual abuser and then lie about their baby when something horrible has happened.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I swear I'm getting anxiety attacks about the outcome with the approach of the end of this trial.

Reminds me of OJ.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I found this interesting. Its about the Chlorophyll searches:

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2011/06/09/caylee-anthony-case-84-times/

Is that English? Any level of techie stuff makes me .

 

[crz4mm2]

I swear I'm getting anxiety attacks about the outcome with the approach of the end of this trial.

Me too..
I invested soooo much time and energy into the OJ trial I think I was depressed after the verdict. Wow. I do hope and pray this one does not go the same way!

 

[Disney1fan2002]

Me too..
I invested soooo much time and energy into the OJ trial I think I was depressed after the verdict. Wow. I do hope and pray this one does not go the same way!

I had the same thing happen to me during the Nanny trial here in MA all those years ago.

This may be a debate, but I truly felt that the defense proved that anyone could have shaken that baby at anytime for him to suffer the injuries he had. I think the defense proved that the mom was overwhelmed with the children when the Nanny would go out, and she was frustrated by it. I felt by the end of the trial, there was just a good a chance that the mom shook the baby. When the verdict came back guilty, I was in SHOCK! I did not feel the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she did it.

My reaction to the outcome of that trial was incredible. I was surely expecting a definite outcome of not guilty. I hope it is not the same this time around. Although, I know much more than the jury knows, from following the case all these years, I hope they pay attention to everything the State is telling them.

 

[PUZZLDY5]

Just logged on to a side bar. Who is the guy on the stand?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I just don't think Casey WAS a "good mother" in the true sense of the word. I think she wasn't connected to Caylee (or anyone else, really); that Caylee was a toy. It was George and Cindy doing most of the child raising. I bet on a certain level, Casey had star status amongst her friends as the mom of the cute little girl. Caylee was like the mascot, and Casey was the keeper of the mascot.

I don't think the disconnect to Casey suddenly started the day Caylee died. I think it was there all along, and it was an "easy" thing to get rid of her because of that. Until then, it worked fine for her, having this child that she had FUN with, and did what she had to do to take care of her (which probably wasn't much) but as Caylee got older, and could talk more (about where they were), and Casey was going out more, and Cindy and George wanted Casey to be more of a mother, Caylee got to be a "problem".

Reminds me of when my MIL told me that her twin sister's DH was "getting to be such a problem" because he was dying of cancer and wanted her with him 24/7. (He had been sick from diagnosis until death, 3 months.) And then thankfully he died, because you know, he was a problem. I've always said my MIL and her twin were selfish and self-centered, but they are super upbeat, friendly and ditzy, and LOVE to have their picture taken as such. Now, do I think either one would KILL anyone? No. But, I do think they don't connect to people like regular people.

 

[joviroxx]

I swear I'm getting anxiety attacks about the outcome with the approach of the end of this trial.

Reminds me of OJ.

Oh I remember all of us in the office, standing around one of those little tiny portable hand held tv's watching the verdict being announced! This is going to be the same, isn't it? UGH!



Does anyone else see it odd that this evidence was allowed in? It's kind of speculative, isn't it? You know Im completely certain that a lot of this evidence would have been excluded with a more experienced competent attorney.