Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Samba]

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

This is a good look at the problem of sequestration and the effect it has on the jury process.

 

[Mosoh]

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

Interesting.

I do wonder why this "group think" was sympathetic the victim

Jury selection was excellent on the part of the defense

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Eyes for Lies also has a good article about the jury - http://blog.eyesforlies.com/

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

I can't listen to that mp3 file here at work, its blocked. Can someone give me the rundown of it?

 

[Samba]

This jury gives credence to the idea of changing the jury system! I am not criticizing the individuals involved in particular. But, the group is representative of some issues!

Loved the second cousin call. Just takes a family pjone call and the "truth" spills out. Evidently, KC went crazy and GA is a villian. just wait for the fortune making book by the family hired writer and all will be revealed!

Evidently KC will never be the same. If only it were so!!

 

[joviroxx]

Interesting.

I do wonder why this "group think" was sympathetic the victim

Jury selection was excellent on the part of the defense

Great article.

Whether they want to admit it or not, this jury voted with a lot emotion. I personally think they took a liking to Baez and saw him as an underdog. George rubbed them the wrong way. Casey, sitting in front of them, in a lower chair, making her look small and frail, well, she doesn't LOOK like a killer. All these emotional aspects affected them.

For pretty much the entire 3 years murder nagged at me and I felt she killed Caylee by accident. Not a drowning, but she did something that accidently killed her. It wasn't until the opening statements that I realized, no, she killed her on purpose and I continue to believe that. Its difficult , especially as a parent, to believe a mother could do this to her own child.

Yep, they used emotion. They really didn't evaluate the facts. It didn't FEEL right to them so they stopped there. It is what it is....

If I ever serve on a jury, Im wearing high heels. High enough that I can sink them in and no one will pull them out!!

 

[LisaR]

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

Really enjoyed that article. Thanks for sharing. I don't think there was a single word I disagreed with. The end of the title sums it up perfectly: collective idiocy.

I am also partial to this paragraph:

Moreover, it is most certainly the jury's duty to "connect the dots." The jury is required to consider all of the evidence and to draw the reasonable inferences that evidence suggests. Note I said reasonable - that doesn't mean concocting scenarios out of thin air based on nothing but a lawyer's opening statement.

 

[ajksmom]

Does anyone know anything about this Dr. Baden or this procedure? Besides of course that he is the DH of an ex-defense team member.

Seems to me that the results of this would have helped the case.

Full video/transcripts-
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/transcript/casey-anthony-case-csi-look-forensic-evidence

Part of their discussion-
VAN SUSTEREN: In a perfect world with a fully professional autopsy, if you found those remains of that child six months after she died, and if it sat out in the open sun and maybe in swampy waters, is there some diagnostic test or autopsy means by which you can determine whether she died from drowning or suffocation?

BADEN: Yes, the diatoms. If she drowned, then the diatoms in the bone marrow which they examined. But they examined it for toxicology not these one-sell plans, can tell which body of water, pool, lake, and a bathtub that she may have drowned in, if she had drowned.

VAN SUSTEREN: You say diatoms. What is that, number one? And number two, you say it can tell. Are you saying it would tell with certainty?

BADEN: If it is positive, it is with certainty. Diatoms are like plankton, one-cell plants ubiquitous around the world. There are a few thousand different species. Normally, one can take water from whatever body of water and find four, five different species in the water that's like a fingerprint of the water.

If that's inhaled into the lungs, into the body, that goes by the bloodstream into the bone marrow so that after death if the bone marrow is examined and has the same five species as in the water, that indicates that child had inhaled that water and is evidence of drowning.

VAN SUSTEREN: One thing the viewers should know, and this is probably the dirty secret about trying cases, the gamesmanship between defense and prosecution. Sometimes both sides don't want a principle analyzed because they are afraid of what the result will be. In this instance this diatoms is that something every medical examiner knows about that should have been done here?

BADEN: I think all medical examiners know about it. I think it should have been done. As you indicated, maybe the prosecutor didn't want to do it. Maybe the defense didn't want to do it because they didn't want the results. But it could have been done, it should have been done and it want done.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-th...case-csi-look-forensic-evidence#ixzz1RWVLVmf2

 

[Kurby]

Actually I have heard of those diatom rings before. Not much though and I'm not sure if it was on csi ncis house or the likes of or in the news so I'm unsure about them ya I have heard of them

 

[Samba]

JAs incredulity evident in his interview on HLN. I second the sentiment. I am still struggling myself.

 

[sss4911]

Actually I have heard of those diatom rings before. Not much though and I'm not sure if it was on csi ncis house or the likes of or in the news so I'm unsure about them ya I have heard of them

Baden also said later the only way to tell was they would have to have taken water from the pool to test as well.

 

[ajksmom]

You know that the duct tape was stuck in Caylee's hair and that's how it stayed on through and after decomp, right? And you're aware that the body went through a tropical storm and was laying in water, yes? It's apparent that any DNA was washed off of the tape. I am pretty sure that either Dr. G. or that one young woman who dealt with DNA testing said that the tape, once the body was recovered, wasn't sticky except for where hair had clung to it.

There were three pieces of tape. If I remember correctly, they overlapped. I do NOT know if they peeled the pieces apart to look for DNA?

Yes it was stuck to sections of hair on either side of her head. That could have been accomplished before or after decomposition.

And without stickiness, that tape could have been in different positions, not just over her mouth and nose. It may have come from the bag itself. And that is reasonable for the jury to have considered due to evidence.

My family and I happened to be in WDW during that long, slow moving storm. I would believe after seeing even roadsides inundated with water that an area such as this would have also been flooded. It's too bad that that the police officer who responded to Kronk the first time didn't take the situation more seriously at that point, it was the week before the storm hit -

I hope they peeled the pieces apart to check, seems if hair can allow the stickiness to remain 6 months later, the tape itself could still be sticky where it had contact with the other pieces.

 

[kidshop]

Just thought I'd share:

"Casey Jury Brainwash" - Written by: Marcia Clark

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...red-jury-fell-prey-to-idiotic-groupthink.html

Someone tell me that Jennifer Ford was not the LEADER of the group. Please....

I'm hoping some checks and balances come into being regarding juries. maybe a professional foreman or a mediator; or just someone in the room that assures the rules are followed like reminding them what can and can't be considered when deliberating.

 

[joviroxx]

Yes it was stuck to sections of hair on either side of her head. That could have been accomplished before or after decomposition.

And without stickiness, that tape could have been in different positions, not just over her mouth and nose. It may have come from the bag itself. And that is reasonable for the jury to have considered due to evidence.



I hope they peeled the pieces apart to check, seems if hair can allow the stickiness to remain 6 months later, the tape itself could still be sticky where it had contact with the other pieces.

But:
1) Plenty of expert testimony showing how it was there before decomp
2) The mandible was held together and found together with the tape on it
3) The mandible is NEVER found attached to the skull therefore testimony that the duct tape was there before decomp and was the reason it was held together
4) Defense theory was someone picked up the bones, put it all together and THEN placed the tape on it
5)expert testimony that the condition of the tape shows it had been there much longer than it would have needed to be if the defense theory was true.
6) Defense offered a 2nd theory about using to wrap the body as they Anthony family used to wrap their pets
7) Defense theories contradict each other. Which one is it?

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that people seem to believe that unless the prosecution had a picture of caylee with the tape around her face before she decomposed, its not provable evidence.

 

[kellyg403]

But:
1) Plenty of expert testimony showing how it was there before decomp
2) The mandible was held together and found together with the tape on it
3) The mandible is NEVER found attached to the skull therefore testimony that the duct tape was there before decomp and was the reason it was held together
4) Defense theory was someone picked up the bones, put it all together and THEN placed the tape on it
5)expert testimony that the condition of the tape shows it had been there much longer than it would have needed to be if the defense theory was true.
6) Defense offered a 2nd theory about using to wrap the body as they Anthony family used to wrap their pets
7) Defense theories contradict each other. Which one is it?

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that people seem to believe that unless the prosecution had a picture of caylee with the tape around her face before she decomposed, its not provable evidence.

Exactly. The condition of the tape. Now, was it put on before or after the death? Who knows. But I bet that tape was on that body when she was in the earliest stages of death. Either way, that tape was on there from pretty much the beginning. It was in a detoriated condition, under water etc. And lets face it, if it was an accident, it should not be there. Oh yeah, to cover up the accident and make it look like a murder.

I still can't get passed people thinking that is a possibilty..covering up an accident to make it look like murder.

Kelly

 

[mrsdon]

Breaking news from FOX


CA requsted a video jailhosue interview for 7pm tonight with ICA
ICA declined the request

 

[joviroxx]

Breaking news from FOX


CA requsted a video jailhosue interview for 7pm tonight with ICA
ICA declined the request

Of course! Casey has no use for Cindy anymore..... She has her new friends and her new possibilities for money...

 

[mickeyboat]

Exactly. The condition of the tape. Now, was it put on before or after the death? Who knows. But I bet that tape was on that body when she was in the earliest stages of death. Either way, that tape was on there from pretty much the beginning. It was in a detoriated condition, under water etc. And lets face it, if it was an accident, it should not be there. Oh yeah, to cover up the accident and make it look like a murder.

I still can't get passed people thinking that is a possibilty..covering up an accident to make it look like murder.

Kelly

Pretend the defense didn't say a word. Rely only on what evidence the prosecution presented. Would that alone be able to provide reasonable doubt?

We don't know exactly how she died. The prosecution surmised that it was suffocation from the duct tape, but the coroner was not able to make this finding. We also don't have any forensic evidence of whether the duct tape was placed on her mouth before or after she died. It was there before decomp but was it there before she died? We can assume it was before she died because why would someone put duct tape over the mouth of someone who was already dead?

We don't know where she died. We can assume that it was at the Anthony home because of the presence of the duct tape, the blanket and the sticker - which was all shown to have come from the Anthony home.

We don't know who killed her. We can surmise that it was Casey because she was the last person known to have been with her and because she wanted to be free from the responsibilities of being a mother. We can also assume it was Casey since she didn't report her missing for 31 days and she lied over and over about where she was.

We don't know who put her body in the swamp. We can assume that it was Casey because it was close to the Anthony home and it was where people often buried their dead pets. But there is no forensic evidence tying her to the dump location.

Look at all the "surmises" and "assumes." There are a lot of connections between the circumstantial evidence and a lot of little leaps the jurors would have had to make in order to convict. They were not able to make those leaps beyond a reasonable doubt.

And as a caveat, my position is that she did it. I think I could have probably convicted. But I can see how the jury might have seen things differently.

 

[sbtrfly74]

Jerry Springer has offered $1mil for an interview w/ ICA but CA,GA and LA have to be there as well...

If this is the only offer they get is some crap show then I can live with that.... but still wont watch it.

Would be great if any Credible shows, news programs, etc just go with the overwhelming consensus and boycott giving them the time of day and not care about their ratings.

 

[Samba]

The grand jury indicted her for murder without a body!!! Whatbsort of evidence did this jury need!?? Wowzaaa