Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I think you are making a lot of assumptions about what I understand about the duties of a jury.

In any event, here are the jury instructions provided in this case which pertain to reasonable doubt and weighing the evidence.

Reposting it a million times won't change the opinions of those who have a different interpretation on what the rules and the law say.

We've all reviewed the instructions--including the portion that states to NOT CONSIDER THE PENALTY in weighing their decision.

We just don't read them the same way as you do.

 

[ajksmom]

Baden also said later the only way to tell was they would have to have taken water from the pool to test as well.

And when, by June 18th Cindy noticed ladder up and gate open, and told LE of this even before the cadaver dogs were sent to the home didn't anyone think to take a sample of the water if a forensic test could've proved something?

It is an assumption on my part but even into August when LE are throwing it out to Cindy as a theory that Casey had covered up a drowning wasn't it tested then?

Coulda woulda shoulda - the answer would've helped alot.

 

[mickeyboat]

Mickeyboat, I know we aren't ever going to agree

We won't agree--and that is fine...

I'm ok with not agreeing. It makes the world go 'round.

On the other hand, it seems to me that the mere fact that we don't agree lends a lot of credence to my argument that two people looking at the same information could find reasonable doubt.

And believe me, I am not stupid, lazy, in a hurry or in it for the money.

 

[wvjules]

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Excellent points. Connect the dots. It wasn't a drowning, that did NOT make sense. If the child did in fact drowned why wasn't she in her bathing suit? Why was duct tape put over her mouth and nose? If she's dead you would not need duct tape. Another thing why would Casey be partying up a storm the weeks after the baby was missing?? I'll tell you why because she did not care about the baby, hense the tatoo "Bella Vita". Heck did anyone even listen to Tony Lazzaro's testimony (Casey's boyfriend) from May 2008 - July 2008? His testimony was very powerful. He kept saying that Casey told him the baby was with the Nanny, and the baby was Nanny at Cocoa Beach, and other theme parks. There was no nanny. That nanny did not exist. She knew right there that the baby was dead. You have to goggle Tony Lazarro's testimony and listen, it's very powerful.

Further, the jury did not connect the dots nor did they examine any further evidence, nor did they take notes. What's wrong with that picture? Would you as a juror want to take notes?

Another thing did anyone read her diary dated June 21st?

I have no regrets, just a bit
worried. I just want for every-
thing to work out okay. I
completely trust my own
judgement. I know that I made
the right decision. I just hope
that the end justifies the means.
I just want to know what the
future will hold for me. I guess
I will soon see.
This is the happiest that I
have been in a very long time.
I hope that my happiness will
continue to grow.
I've made new friends that I
really like. I've surrounded
myself with good people.
I am finally happy, let's just
hope that it doesn't
change."​

1.) If she did die accidentally then not having on a bathing suit makes more sense than having one on.

2.) The journal entry can't be proven that it was from 2008.

 

[joviroxx]

Reposting it a million times won't change the opinions of those who have a different interpretation on what the rules and the law say.

We've all reviewed the instructions--including the portion that states to NOT CONSIDER THE PENALTY in weighing their decision.

We just don't read them the same way as you do.

In a nutshell!

 

[No.17CherryTreeLane]

I hope this hasn't already been posted...

Rascal Flatts just released a song written in honor of Caylee Anthony. It's called "She's Going Places". It's wonderful....have tissues ready, lol.

Just scroll down and you'll find it.

http://play987.radio.com/2011/07/08/moving-tribute-to-caylee-anthony/

 

[snapppyd]

All jail visits are video taped...

and in reading the article on www.clickorlando.com; I took it to mean it was same old same old-did not want to be recorded for whatever reason.

I didn't take it that a camera crew was joining along.

My mistake.

 

[joviroxx]

I'm ok with not agreeing. It makes the world go 'round.

On the other hand, it seems to me that the mere fact that we don't agree lends a lot of credence to my argument that two people looking at the same information could find reasonable doubt.

And believe me, I am not stupid, lazy, in a hurry or in it for the money.

Yah, you are... I know your kind.... !! (I kid, I kid)

Sarcastic humor doesn't translate sometimes LOL

 

[brunette8706]

1.) If she did die accidentally then not having on a bathing suit makes more sense than having one on.

2.) The journal entry can't be proven that it was from 2008.

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No it can't but she dated it June 21st! Then she wrote on the opposite page on the left '03. That '03 entree is another lie because that particular diary wasn't manufactured until 2004.

The bathing suit issue is my opinion. But there is so many other pieces of STRONG evidence that it does indeed point to Casey Anthony. The very least is not reporting her child missing for 31 days.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

And when, by June 18th Cindy noticed ladder up and gate open, and told LE of this even before the cadaver dogs were sent to the home didn't anyone think to take a sample of the water if a forensic test could've proved something?

It is an assumption on my part but even into August when LE are throwing it out to Cindy as a theory that Casey had covered up a drowning wasn't it tested then?

Coulda woulda shoulda - the answer would've helped alot.

I think they did that to find out if she did drown. Say it was an accident, we let you go, kind of thing.

But after a month or two--the pool wouldn't have revealed anything. There was no body in it.

Plus--they were looking for a LIVE child. Can't test the water without a warrant and if they did it would have been inadmissable and the family and Casey denied the accident.

Weren't we discussing that Casey had rights? Illegal search and seizure--no evidence of a drowning...no reason the courts would have permitted testing of the water, perhaps?

 

[CurlyGirl]

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If the child did in fact drown why wasn't she in her bathing suit? QUOTE]

I think Casey killed Caylee and I don't think it was an accident ... drowning or otherwise. I want to make that clear before I poke a big hole in your statement.

We don't know what Caylee was wearing when she died. Her skeletal remains were found with the t-shirt and shorts but we don't know if she was wearing those pre-or post mortem. Not all people who drown are wearing bathing suits when it happens. Nor do they necessarily drown while swimming. Many drown when they fall into a pool and cannot swim.

However ... if you found someone drowned in a pool, isn't the response/reaction to call 911 and/or scream for help as you're (or once you've) pulled the body out? Or is your reaction to say "Oh, she's dead. Let's ditch the body."?

 

[ajksmom]

Yeah - because everyone carries discontinued Henckel duct tape (that hasn't been sold since 2007) in case they find a skull somewhere ... and they just randomly happen to choose to go to George Anthony's garage and slap some on the gas can for kicks and leave it there, right?!

Somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 - 200,000 of those rolls were sold, not that it matters really, because it's reasonable to believe the duct tape came from the Anthony home - whether used as a murder weapon or for
whatever part it played in the disposal of her body.

What's really interesting in regards to the duct tape is the first time the gas can leaves the home with a search warrant it doesn't have tape on it, but the second time it does - yet no Henkel duct tape was found in the Anthony home.

Where was the tape?

 

[richmond282]

Exactly--

It seems they considered items as proof that they were not to consider as evidence at all.

I really think the character assassination of George went beyond the scope of proving reasonable doubt and essentially put George on trial without due process.

The judge even declared that Baez did not prove what he accused George of.

What I don't understand--and perhaps those satisfied with the jurors decision would join in a sidebar discussion on why or why not it is acceptable to make accusations of George as a defense with ZERO evidence to back it up. Was his right to due process violated? Is it okay to make accusations (of any sort) of another citizen an acceptable manner of defense?

I don't think so--my DH disagrees. Even when I tried to paint a picture...of how it would be possible for someone to do the same to him, or me, or you.

I just wonder--when did this become an acceptable defense strategy and is it constitutionally sound?

Thanks for indulging in that sidebar topic.

I had this same "discussion" with my husband. I really don't get how that's not slander. He disagreed with me and said it's fine for defense attorneys to caim whatever they want about anybody they want no matter what.

You're talking about means and opportunity here (I've read my share of whodunnits ). I have asked myself who else had means and opportunity in Caylee's case, and unfortunately Casey is not the only one. Because Caylee was missing for 31 days Casey had to know about her death (or have some other reason for hiding the fact that she was missing), but that does not mean she had anything to do with the actual death (one possibility is that she discovered it and helped hide it for some reason unknown to us). My point is that Casey murdering Caylee is not the only possibility. Whether these other possibilities are reasonable or not is a matter of judgement and assessment of evidence, and I can't say right now whether, if I had been sequestered and had to analyze only what was admitted into evidence, I would have made a different decision. I know I would not have gone for murder (where intent had to be proven), but manslaughter would depend on whether I felt the evidence proved beyond reasonable doubt that Casey was responsible in some way for Caylee's death (rather than just for all the crap that came afterwards).

Casey's own lawyer admitted that Caylee died on June 16th and that Casey was present. Whether it was an accident (as Casey claims) or not, she WAS there and her daughter was NEVER missing per her own lawyer. I certainly think that if Caylee had died at the hands of someone else (i.e. boyfriend, neighbor) Casey would have screamed it from the rooftops.

No one can show me any source or any testimony that goes against that of Maria Kissh. That's fine, though. I really didn't expect it, as I said.

I'm not really sure why i'm responding to this since you clearly won't listen to what anyone else has said, but 1) Amy H. stated that Maria's date was wrong. they were in the car on the 6th BEFORE Caylee disappeared 2) why do you care so much about the smell in the car. No one in court denied that the car STUNK when it was picked up from the tow yard. In fact, defense slipped up and mentioned the decomp odor in the trunk during closing arguments.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I'm ok with not agreeing. It makes the world go 'round.

On the other hand, it seems to me that the mere fact that we don't agree lends a lot of credence to my argument that two people looking at the same information could find reasonable doubt.

And believe me, I am not stupid, lazy, in a hurry or in it for the money.

The fact we are debating it would lead me to believe a hung jury...not me caving to you or you caving to me to end this thing.

But your name is mickeyboat--I do think you are holding out for a Disney cruise.

 

[mickeyboat]

yah, you are... I know your kind.... !! (i kid, i kid)

sarcastic humor doesn't translate sometimes lol

lol!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

1.) If she did die accidentally then not having on a bathing suit makes more sense than having one on.

2.) The journal entry can't be proven that it was from 2008.

Agreed...

though if she got up and wandered out--why wasn't she in her jammies and why was she wearing a shirt that noone had ever seen but Casey?

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

My mistake.

no worries...

I starting checking around other news sites to see if maybe I missed something.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Ok all - I am done posting on this topic. Maybe my legal studies background makes it difficult to see this from a layman's point of view but most of this discussion has become an exercise in futility. Opinions are set now and it doesn't appear that any amount of information is going to change that.

It has been interesting and I hope to see you all on other threads.

Mare - thanks for all your hard work on maintaining these threads. Big congrats on your coming grandbaby!

Kurby - you and little Nicole are in my thoughts. She will be home before you know it!!

 

[Samba]

Caylee's Law should take into account not reporting for psychological reasons. It is a knee jerk reaction to pass such. So says CM.

 

[mickeyboat]

Caylee's Law should take into account not reporting for psychological reasons. It is a knee jerk reaction to pass such. So says CM.

CM I love the way you said that.