Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[Dr.Girlfriend]

There was no blood evidence anywhere on him/near him/etc. No blood at all. The only DNA type evidence that they had was one lone hair from his wife's head in a pair of pliers in his boat.

In fact, prosecution speculated that he strangled his wife and then weighted her down around the neck, hands and ankles, then dumped her in the bay...which was how they explained why so many body parts were missing. They could never say what the cause of death truly was due to about 4 months in the bay.

 

[Aisling]

4) Remains were found with more than 1 piece of duct tape on the face. No child living or dead should have duct tape over their face.

I read an article by a psychologist who said Casey may have put the duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to prevent bugs from going in her mouth and nose. Not necessarily because Casey loved caylee, but because she may have been skeeved by the thought in general.

In remote areas of India, it's common practice for mothers to kill their newborn baby girls because they want boys. They choke the baby and then wrap the head with cloth to keep the bugs out.

 

[JaneBanks]

I read an article by a psychologist who said Casey may have put the duct tape over Caylee's mouth and nose to prevent bugs from going in her mouth and nose. Not necessarily because Casey loved caylee, but because she may have been skeeved by the thought in general.

If you believe the State's expert witness, the tape had to be put on before decomposition started.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

My point is that it's ok to kill the kid at 6 months in the womb, but everyone has this outrage now?

Irrelevant to the topic at hand.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I am not telling anyone how to feel anything.

I am stating that I am upset reading what others want to do this person who was found Not Guilty and its quite sad.



After 6 months of not finding this little girl, did the police honestly think she would still be alive?

This is also my main point in regards to the Jurors.......The police could NOT determine the cause of death. So how can you convict someone AND give her the death penalty when you can't even prove in a court of law?

Just because you think she was a bad mother, most people that took the stand did not say that. Because she was 22 years old and went out and partied. That means she wants to kill her daughter? That is not enough evidence. That is what I am saying here.

It's funny because someone on another thread was talking about those boys on the Duke Lacrosse Team... EVERYONE thought they raped that girl, they were all guilty and whoops.....nope they weren't. I know that was a different case but everyone again before the trail even came to pass said they were all guilty and their lives were over.

You have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. I think there were many questions that were not answered by either the defense or prosecution and that was why they came to that verdict in that way.

They could have gone with a lesser charge, LWOP, Casey was not working her mom and dad were providing everything for Caylee. Cassey pretended to be working and wasnt led police on a wild goose chase. She stole her friends checkbook and went on a shopping spree and claimed she was out looking for her daughter, your daughter is at nightclubs? Tartget? So if your child drowns you put duct tape over her face? What for? And bodily just does not come out your mouth and nose. Everything she was wrapped up in came from the home. So please tell me who else had acess to her when everyone else was at work?

 

[LisaR]

Oh, good lord. Give me a break, Juror #2. There was far less evidence in the Scott Peterson case and they managed a conviction on circumstantial evidence.

This convinces me more and more that they wanted photos/video/DNA evidence, a complete smoking gun, to convict her in any way/shape/form and did not understand JBP's instructions.

I'm thinking they sat in their rooms every night and watched episodes of CSI to pass the time away. That is when they decided they wanted more evidence.

 

[Aisling]

In fact, prosecution speculated that he strangled his wife and then weighted her down around the neck, hands and ankles, then dumped her in the bay...which was how they explained why so many body parts were missing. They could never say what the cause of death truly was due to about 4 months in the bay.

Oops, my mistake. Sorry. Wrong case.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Now my mother's threat , " I brought you into this world and I can take you out" , is no longer idle.

Ughhhh

I can not even think of KC going free in a matter of hours!

My mother also use to say, "I made you, I can make another just like you." I hope KC doesn't follow that one.

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

I am not telling anyone how to feel anything.

I am stating that I am upset reading what others want to do this person who was found Not Guilty and its quite sad.



After 6 months of not finding this little girl, did the police honestly think she would still be alive?

This is also my main point in regards to the Jurors.......The police could NOT determine the cause of death. So how can you convict someone AND give her the death penalty when you can't even prove in a court of law?

Just because you think she was a bad mother, most people that took the stand did not say that. Because she was 22 years old and went out and partied. That means she wants to kill her daughter? That is not enough evidence. That is what I am saying here.

It's funny because someone on another thread was talking about those boys on the Duke Lacrosse Team... EVERYONE thought they raped that girl, they were all guilty and whoops.....nope they weren't. I know that was a different case but everyone again before the trail even came to pass said they were all guilty and their lives were over.

You have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. I think there were many questions that were not answered by either the defense or prosecution and that was why they came to that verdict in that way.

Scott Peterson was cheating on his wife and told his new girlfriend his wife passed away and he was spending his first Christmas alone, when at the time he told the girlfriend this his wife was still very much alive.

He changed his appearance (dyed his hair and goatee a completely different color, then lied and said it got bleached from a dip in the pool and hot tub at a friend's house...friend said he hadn't had Scott at his house in over a year), was found sitting in a car with a gun, a map to his girlfriend's work, rope, shovel, something like $100,000 in cash and different fake ID's. Claimed he was going golfing with his dad and brother.

He sold his wife's car less than a month after her disappearance.

He was at a candlelight vigil for his wife, called girlfriend on the phone and said he was in Paris for a NYE celebration.

He turned his unborn child's room into a storage room a month after his wife's disappearance.

He kept trying to sell their house.

And lots more.

Casey Anthony lied for over a year about a fake nanny. Claimed whenever she was going to work or out partying with friends, Caylee was with made up nanny. Proven nanny never existed, even though Casey swore up and down she was real and sent law enforcement on wild goose chases.

She said in a taped jail house call with a family member she felt like her daughter was close to home. Her body was found 15 houses away in the woods.

She told friends her daughter was a little snot who wouldn't sleep, and had issues getting her to sleep.

There was human decomp. odor in her car. That she abandoned outside of an Amscot because she claimed she ran out of gas - though car had over half a tank.

She partied, got a new tattoo, and on the day her daughter "first" went missing, she spent the entire day in bed with her boyfriend.

She didn't call the police - her mother did after 31 days.

She made up an elaborate lie about a job at Universal Studios and even went as far as taking the police there to try and prove she worked there.

There was so much more evidence in Casey's trial pointing to the fact that she either killed her daughter, or had something to do with her death and cover up. When her daughter's remains were found, she saw a newsreport and went hysterical. At the time, NO ONE named the remains as Caylee's, it was just announced that the remains were found near Casey's home. Remains were found in Orlando a few months earlier, police speculated it was Caylee's body at the time, and Casey just smirked/laughed and went back to her cell.

Tell me...how was Scott Peterson convicted with "no smoking gun" and Casey Anthony was not?

 

[Mickeyistheman]

1) Fact - child was last seen in the care of her mother. Mother never reported missing or injured for 31 days. In fact, created elaborate stories to cover the child's absence. There was no one else that could have had the child in the time frame from when she was last seen to the time that Casey appears on the Blockbuster video without her.

2) Fact - evidence of decomposing body in trunk of car that was in Casey's possession only during the time in question.

3) Body found dumped in woods near home in bag that can be traced to Anthony home wearing a shirt that was not familiar to the Cindy Anthony - the person that took care of the laundry and made the majority of clothing purchases for Caylee. Shirt CAN be seen worn by Caylee in a photo taken of her at the former boyfriends house.

4) Remains were found with more than 1 piece of duct tape on the face. No child living or dead should have duct tape over their face.

5) Fact - Since July 15th, 2008 defendant Casey Anthony NEVER mentioned accident scenario until month preceding trial. 3 years in jail without saying a word.

That is just some of the evidence that was presented that one could REASONABLY infer that the child was murdered by the last person whose care she was under - her mother - Casey Anthony.

Thank you, this is what I was asking for....


Now, if I was on the Jury and given this informaiton, I would not be able 100% to say that A she was murdered and B that is was done by Casey. There is not enough evidence it is mainly circumstance.

#1 - Do you we know for a fact 100% that Casey was the last person to see her alive?

The whole duct tape thing has me with alot of questions as well, maybe they taped up the bag and since there was a hurricane or something that people were saying the tape moved, I mean wasn't and this is so sad her body eaten by animals as well. It just makes me upset thinking about this, but the tape could have moved and again no finger prints on anything.

For me I would have alot of questions. I also have questions about Casey's parents. You love your grand daughter, but when Casey says you can't see her or she is away and YOU KNOW SHE LIES, I mean I know my grandparents would have searched for me then. I think something is not right there, there is something we are missing. Which again reasonble doubt.

It's all a very sad state of affairs this beautiful little girl is dead and we will never ever know what really happened.

But I have cousins who are too young and have kids and are with abusive boyfriends and party and drink and don't treat their children the best, but that doesn't mean they would kill their children.

I know people will dislike what I will say but I think Casey really didn't do it. I think it was an accident and someone helped her cover it up.

 

[Aisling]

If you believe the State's expert witness, the tape had to be put on before decomposition started.

Yes. The baby's dead body was in the trunk and when the trunk stank, meaning there was still flesh and little decomposition, she decided to dump her in the woods. Thats when she put the duct tape on her, to keep the bugs out. And THEN the serious decomposition began.

 

[mrsksomeday]

After 6 months of not finding this little girl, did the police honestly think she would still be alive?

They were going on detailed information from CASEY and also tips stating that there were LIVE Caylee sightings.

This is also my main point in regards to the Jurors.......The police could NOT determine the cause of death. So how can you convict someone AND give her the death penalty when you can't even prove in a court of law?

Just because you think she was a bad mother, most people that took the stand did not say that. Because she was 22 years old and went out and partied. That means she wants to kill her daughter? That is not enough evidence. That is what I am saying here.

I don't "think" she was a bad mother, I KNOW she was a bad mother. No "good mother" hides the fact that her child is missing/dead for 31 days. If it was an accidental drowning a "good mother" would have done CPR, called 911, rode in an ambulance, and begged EMT's to save her baby, not duct tape a mouth, bag her up in a Winnie the Pooh laundry bag, then double bag her in garbage bags so she could toss her in a swampy area where it was a trash dump.

You have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. I think there were many questions that were not answered by either the defense or prosecution and that was why they came to that verdict in that way.

At least 6 people plus 2 cadaver dogs confirmed human decomposition, A DEAD BODY. I am not saying Casey should have got the death penalty. I am saying there were plenty of other charges the jury could have found her guilty of, including aggravated child abuse. She was the last person seen with the child, the child is now dead.

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

Oops, my mistake. Sorry. Wrong case.

You may be thinking of the Lori Hacking case - there was blood evidence found that was cleaned up in her apartment (husband killed her, she was 5 weeks pregnant, threw her into a dumpster, cops later found her body in the dump a few months later).

 

[Brit17]

Casey was the last seen with Caylee.

Casey doesn't report her daughter missing. Grandma does after finding out 31 days.

While Caylee is missing, Casey parties, lies to her parents about where she is (a job she doesn't have) and where Caylee is (with an imaginary Nanny touring Orlando).

The only true thing she told the cops was Caylee's name and birthday. EVERYTHING else is a lie.

The car smells like human decomposition.

They find high amounts of chloroform in the trunk of her car.

They find 84 searches for chloroform on her computer, along with household weapons, how to make chloroform and neck breaking. Both parents are proven to be at work at the time of the searches.

They find a hair (with a deathband) that can only be matched to Casey or Caylee in the trunk of Casey's car. Casey is still alive.

They find the bones of Caylee wrapped in 2 garbage bags (that are connected to the garbage bags in the house) inside of a laundry bag (the twin was found in the house) with duct tape wrapped around her mouth.

For 3 years Casey sticks to the fake Nanny story until opening statements.

I missed A LOT. If you want more, you need to look for yourself.

Also:

The duct tape that was found with Caylees remains was a rare brand of duct tape that was also found in the Anthony's home and on a gas can at the Anthony's home. GA also used a roll of the same brand duct tape to post signs with outside his home.

Insects found in Casey Anthony's car were often associated with decomposition.

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

Thank you, this is what I was asking for....


Now, if I was on the Jury and given this informaiton, I would not be able 100% to say that A she was murdered and B that is was done by Casey. There is not enough evidence it is mainly circumstance.

#1 - Do you we know for a fact 100% that Casey was the last person to see her alive?

The whole duct tape thing has me with alot of questions as well, maybe they taped up the bag and since there was a hurricane or something that people were saying the tape moved, I mean wasn't and this is so sad her body eaten by animals as well. It just makes me upset thinking about this, but the tape could have moved and again no finger prints on anything.

For me I would have alot of questions. I also have questions about Casey's parents. You love your grand daughter, but when Casey says you can't see her or she is away and YOU KNOW SHE LIES, I mean I know my grandparents would have searched for me then. I think something is not right there, there is something we are missing. Which again reasonble doubt.

It's all a very sad state of affairs this beautiful little girl is dead and we will never ever know what really happened.

But I have cousins who are too young and have kids and are with abusive boyfriends and party and drink and don't treat their children the best, but that doesn't mean they would kill their children.

I know people will dislike what I will say but I think Casey really didn't do it. I think it was an accident and someone helped her cover it up.

Yes, she was definitely the last person to see her alive. Everyone in the case has agreed on that, at least. And the fact that she is a major liar.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Okay, I am going to play Devil's Advocate here.... For those that say that the EVIDENCE was there. Tell me what it was then?


Where was the 100% proof A) that it was murder and B) That Casey did it?


Tell me what it was because many people keep saying it was right there, how could they not have convicted here.

Then if everyone else FEELS that she was guilty, what did the Jurors miss.

I am not being funny or sarcastic in any way I am being VERY VERY serious right now.
I would just like an answer.

Look ... you are asking for a smoking gun. While we might not have the 100% smoking gun you're asking for (audio/video/photographic evidence of Casey drowning/drugging/whatever her daughter), we have the evidence that was proffered by the prosecution ... that of a dead child and a mother who did nothing about it for 31 days. WHY? Why wait 31 days to contact authorities? And why lie to them repeatedly once you've contacted them. If it was an accident, why not say "She drowned, I panicked and dumped the body and this is where she is"? Why tell everyone she's missing, why tell people the nanny kidnapped her? Why lead police on a wild goose chase for a non-existent nanny, why let volunteers look for a missing child when you know the child is dead and you know where the body is.

Let's face it ... people lie for a reason and that's to hide something they did that was wrong. What did Casey do that was wrong that she need to lie about? Why not be honest with the police on day 31 if the death was accidental? Why not say "I panicked and messed up"? Why change your story from a nanny kidnapping to an accidental drowning? Why lie and lie and lie?

There are people who have been convicted on all of the circumstantial evidence provided in a trial. People who could take those pieces, put them together and see where guilt lies. Right now, Scott Peterson sits on death row for the murder of his wife and unborn child based on circumstantial evidence. Juries are allowed to convict on circumstantial evidence.

There is a ton of circumstantial evidence and many have been pointed out to you where to find it. Go educate yourself and look at the links that have been provided to you.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

Thank you, this is what I was asking for....


Now, if I was on the Jury and given this informaiton, I would not be able 100% to say that A she was murdered and B that is was done by Casey. There is not enough evidence it is mainly circumstance.

#1 - Do you we know for a fact 100% that Casey was the last person to see her alive?

The whole duct tape thing has me with alot of questions as well, maybe they taped up the bag and since there was a hurricane or something that people were saying the tape moved, I mean wasn't and this is so sad her body eaten by animals as well. It just makes me upset thinking about this, but the tape could have moved and again no finger prints on anything.

For me I would have alot of questions. I also have questions about Casey's parents. You love your grand daughter, but when Casey says you can't see her or she is away and YOU KNOW SHE LIES, I mean I know my grandparents would have searched for me then. I think something is not right there, there is something we are missing. Which again reasonble doubt.

It's all a very sad state of affairs this beautiful little girl is dead and we will never ever know what really happened.

But I have cousins who are too young and have kids and are with abusive boyfriends and party and drink and don't treat their children the best, but that doesn't mean they would kill their children.

I know people will dislike what I will say but I think Casey really didn't do it. I think it was an accident and someone helped her cover it up.

See now what you are doing is called raising speculative doubts. Something Florida jurors are instructed NOT to do.

Question for you regarding the bolded above - why on earth would someone cover up an accident? Seriously - what credible reason would you have to do that? You cannot get into trouble for an accident. And even if you thought you would be in trouble why would you hold on to the cover up even when LE is telling you that accidents happen and no one would blame you.

This is completely illogical and unreasonable and the fact that so many believe this has my brain bleeding.


ETA: The only way a jury would EVER have 100% proof is if they were convened in a courtroom and the crime took place right in front of their faces.

 

[Dr.Girlfriend]

Thank you, this is what I was asking for....


Now, if I was on the Jury and given this informaiton, I would not be able 100% to say that A she was murdered and B that is was done by Casey. There is not enough evidence it is mainly circumstance.

#1 - Do you we know for a fact 100% that Casey was the last person to see her alive?

The whole duct tape thing has me with alot of questions as well, maybe they taped up the bag and since there was a hurricane or something that people were saying the tape moved, I mean wasn't and this is so sad her body eaten by animals as well. It just makes me upset thinking about this, but the tape could have moved and again no finger prints on anything.

For me I would have alot of questions. I also have questions about Casey's parents. You love your grand daughter, but when Casey says you can't see her or she is away and YOU KNOW SHE LIES, I mean I know my grandparents would have searched for me then. I think something is not right there, there is something we are missing. Which again reasonble doubt.

It's all a very sad state of affairs this beautiful little girl is dead and we will never ever know what really happened.

But I have cousins who are too young and have kids and are with abusive boyfriends and party and drink and don't treat their children the best, but that doesn't mean they would kill their children.

I know people will dislike what I will say but I think Casey really didn't do it. I think it was an accident and someone helped her cover it up.

The thing is, if it was an accident of some sort, 911 would have been called. Any normal, loving parent would have done that.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

She made an accident look like murder and then stayed in jail fir nearly three years and didn't say a peep....this, you believe?

Thank you, this is what I was asking for....


Now, if I was on the Jury and given this informaiton, I would not be able 100% to say that A she was murdered and B that is was done by Casey. There is not enough evidence it is mainly circumstance.

#1 - Do you we know for a fact 100% that Casey was the last person to see her alive?

The whole duct tape thing has me with alot of questions as well, maybe they taped up the bag and since there was a hurricane or something that people were saying the tape moved, I mean wasn't and this is so sad her body eaten by animals as well. It just makes me upset thinking about this, but the tape could have moved and again no finger prints on anything.

For me I would have alot of questions. I also have questions about Casey's parents. You love your grand daughter, but when Casey says you can't see her or she is away and YOU KNOW SHE LIES, I mean I know my grandparents would have searched for me then. I think something is not right there, there is something we are missing. Which again reasonble doubt.

It's all a very sad state of affairs this beautiful little girl is dead and we will never ever know what really happened.

But I have cousins who are too young and have kids and are with abusive boyfriends and party and drink and don't treat their children the best, but that doesn't mean they would kill their children.

I know people will dislike what I will say but I think Casey really didn't do it. I think it was an accident and someone helped her cover it up.

 

[chris1gill]

I think this is a reasonable question.

The prosecution didn't convince me with what evidence they had that Casey premeditated killing her child or that she killed her Caylee at all. In my heart I feel she did it, but if I were a juror I can't go by what my heart says.

Aisling, what would your reasoning be when you know someone heard that child in the background at 2:20 in the afternoon when ICA took a phone call, her father was at work at 3, ICA was later on videotape with Tony alone, a cadaver dog hit on the trunk, there was a hair with hair banding in the trunk, the child was ultimately tossed with duct tape from that house over her mouth and nose and then found in a bag found to be missing from that house. Those are the things known, so I'm just looking for a reasonable explanation that would let ICA walk free as a bird of any and all involvement whether it be child assault, murder 3, murder 2 or murder 1. Of none of those choices there isn't one you thought the case proved beyond a reasonable doubt? Not withstanding the lying and partying.

Juror #3 felt that Casey was definitely involved with Casey's death but she didn't know how. She didn't know if Caylee truly drowned accidentally, Casey killed her on purpose, or if George had a hand in it. So she didn't have a clue what happened but was positive George was involved!

If she felt Casey was the least bit involved there were 3 lesser charges, did they look at any of them? From the sounds of it, the answer is no. Why does everyone think this was a murder 1 case or nothing? Nothing in between...

I am not telling anyone how to feel anything.

I am stating that I am upset reading what others want to do this person who was found Not Guilty and its quite sad.

Then I would suggest going to talk to those people

After 6 months of not finding this little girl, did the police honestly think she would still be alive?

Was Elizabeth Smart found alive?


This is also my main point in regards to the Jurors.......The police could NOT determine the cause of death. So how can you convict someone AND give her the death penalty when you can't even prove in a court of law?

The manner of death was homicide, put the pieces together with the duct tape and chloroform


Just because you think she was a bad mother, most people that took the stand did not say that. Because she was 22 years old and went out and partied. That means she wants to kill her daughter? That is not enough evidence. That is what I am saying here.

She was a great mother who couldn't provide even the basic necessities for her child, her parents did that. Where was the child while Casey was out partying and her parents weren't watching her? She wasn't a bad mother until she killed her child, Susan Smith was a great mother til she killed her children because they got in the way of her social life.


It's funny because someone on another thread was talking about those boys on the Duke Lacrosse Team... EVERYONE thought they raped that girl, they were all guilty and whoops.....nope they weren't. I know that was a different case but everyone again before the trail even came to pass said they were all guilty and their lives were over.

If you go back on the Dis from all those years ago you will see quite well that I never once thought the Duke players were guilty, not even for one minute. Funny you should bring that case up.

You have to prove it beyond reasonable doubt. I think there were many questions that were not answered by either the defense or prosecution and that was why they came to that verdict in that way.

I think they took it to mean any doubt whatsoever, anything, anything at all, like George was involved, well, George was at work, how was he involved when the child was heard over the phone at 2:20 in the afternoon? What proof is there that he was involved? If he was involved is it reasonable to expect a former cop to take the actions that were taken? No, that is not reasonable to think a guy who buries his pets wouldn't bury his granddaughter.