Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[TLSnell1981]

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Son of Sam doesn't apply because she was found not guilty.

She was convicted on four felony counts of lying to LE. Can she write a book, and discuss the lies? Or, is she prevented from doing so?

 

[TLHB70]

I have followed the trial but have not posted here so far. After seeing the verdict, though, I had to come post. I am shocked and sick over it! Unbelieveable! I just honestly cannot believe the verdict!

 

[dandave]

I'm disgusted by Casey Anthony. In my gut, I think she was guilty. Her behavior disgusts me. But...I don't know if I could have voted "guilty."
I've been aware of this case from the get-go, three years ago. I did watch the entire trial. I watched the after-trial discussions of all the daily events.

I do not know how Caylee died, however. If I don't know how Caylee died, then I don't know if she was murdered. If I don't know that she was murdered, then I can't possibly know who killed her. If I don't know who killed her, then I certainly can't say it was Caycee. It goes against what I want to believe, as a mother, but I can't believe it without reasonable doubt.

 

[mrsksomeday]

I spend too much time on Facebook - I was looking for the like button for this!

We really do need a "like" button. I would have used it a lot on these threads.

 

[tazdev3225]

I'm a long time lurker on this subject but have to say I felt sick when I watched the verdicts being announced. Part of me was not surprised. I have sat on juries and taken Criminal Justice classes and my DH is a Deputy Sheriff who has sat in a more trials than he would like to remember. My DH said that he has never had a jury not look at the physical evidence or ask a single question before delivering a verdict.

I absolutely believe she is guilty. I think the problem was that the jury wanted the case wrapped up in a neat little package as it is on TV. The prosecution couldn't give an exact cause of death so the jury believed the smokescreen thrown in front of them. Common sense begs an answer to why she lied to the police if she did nothing wrong. Some day some way she will be held accountable. For now I will give my DGD who is the same age as Caylee was when she disappeared and my DGS who is the same age she would be an extra hug for the hugs Caylee has missed out on.

 

[horseshowmom]

Wow - I guess I better go and change my major!!

The problem was not the case the state presented. This was a bad jury that was looking for beyond ANY doubt and threw reason out the door. I blame this on the tv crime shows that always seem to have some unrefutable piece of forensics that comes in and saves the day.

Please review past convictions for murder - high profile or not. Many have been convicted with far less physical evidence than this case. If what the alternate juror says is true - that they believe that George was involved then this jury based their decision on a theory that had ZERO corroborating evidence - physical or circumstantial.

Absolutely...

Making an accident look like a murderdoesn't help? Just the FACT that it wasn't called in ,if it was an accident, and the body was thrown in a swamp isn't enough? Why spend 31 days hiding an accident? Not enough to show it was homicide? What other proof do people need?

Its that little pesky common sense coming through again...

Yes...

Basically, they are saying that since they can't determine exactly how Caylee died, they just won't charge her mother with anything. Yes, she's dead, but that's not really a factor apparently.

Who knows? Maybe she panicked. Maybe she was concerned with saving her own butt. Maybe the hypothetical accident was all her fault, maybe an overdose of medication so she could go out partying. Point being - the prosecution did not fill in those gaps. They gave their best guess. Like I said before, I think she's responsible for her daughter's death - but in what legal capacity? Her callousness in the days and weeks afterwards are appalling, but that doesn't prove she is a murderer.

I have quite a bit of common sense myself ...

She is obviously responsible for her daughter's death. She's the one who hid it, lied about it, and partied in spite of it. If they don't want to believe she's a murderer, surely they should have convicted her on one of the lesser charges. I will never get it...

Not at all. I can't imagine how physically and emotionally draining that job must be. Many prosecutors go into private practice at some point in their career. Financially, it is usually a very good move. Next time you see Jeff Ashton, he'll probably be a defense attorney.

I'll bet it will never be for an Anthony...

 

[walden]

I'm not trying to be offensive, but...

anyone who expected otherwise or is "shocked" by the verdict, really must not have a "legal" mind.

the state failed to even really propose a case and in all other regards, failed completely. IMHO the tax payers of FL should do anything legally possible to remove all those in the DA's office that worked on this case from their positions.

Well, you may not mean to be offensive, but but the last sentence is quite an insult to law enforcement,to the DA's Office of Orange County, and to the wonderful and dedicated prosecutors involved. All of whom have a great deal of legal experience and verified legal minds. Perhaps you should look up Judge Belvin Perry's and Jeff Ashton's outstanding resumes and records.

But I'll forgive you for being unintentionally offensive because you apparently do not have a "legal" mind either.

The vast majority of murder cases depend on circumstantial evidence. (See Scott Peterson). Not many murderers are considerate enough to kill people in full view of an audience, and are actually apprehended by law enforcement with the murder weapon in hand.

The State in this case had a very strong circumstantial case. Perhaps some people were not paying attention.

This jury obviously gave this defendant the benefit of every unreasonable doubt and sent common sense flying out the window.

Let me leave you with this thought: Who was the parent and "caregiver" of little Caylee?

Answer -- Casey Anthony. Where was she when little Caylee died (of any cause). Where was she when little Caylee was wrapped in trash bags and dumped in a swamp? Why did she lie to her parents and law enforcement until so much evidence was destroyed. Child Neglect falls under the Child Abuse Statute. Where was Casey Anthony when her child died? Why was she not protecting her?

Casey Anthony should have been convicted of Aggravated Child Abuse at a minimum. Her child died in her care and she is responsible. End of story.

 

[MyManGoofy!]

She was convicted on four felony counts of lying to LE. Can she write a book, and discuss the lies? Or, is she prevented from doing so?

I have been thinking about that myself. I am not sure what the case law is (if any) but as soon as I know I will report back.

 

[brunette8706]

Too bad Casey didn't decide to go and party in Aruba after Caylee died.....I think her and Joran Van der Sloot would have made a great hook up.....taken a nice long walk on the beach and justice would have been served.

***

LMBO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[joviroxx]

Well, you may not mean to be offensive, but but the last sentence is quite an insult to law enforcement,to the DA's Office of Orange County, and to the wonderful and dedicated prosecutors involved. All of whom have a great deal of legal experience and verified legal minds. Perhaps you should look up Judge Belvin Perry's and Jeff Ashton's outstanding resumes and records.

But I'll forgive you for being unintentionally offensive because you apparently do not have a "legal" mind either.

The vast majority of murder cases depend on circumstantial evidence. (See Scott Peterson). Not many murderers are considerate enough to kill people in full view of an audience, and are actually apprehended by law enforcement with the murder weapon in hand.

The State in this case had a very strong circumstantial case. Perhaps some people were not paying attention.

This jury obviously gave this defendant the benefit of every unreasonable doubt and sent common sense flying out the window.

Let me leave you with this thought: Who was the parent and "caregiver" of little Caylee?

Answer -- Casey Anthony. Where was she when little Caylee died (of any cause). Where was she when little Caylee was wrapped in trash bags and dumped in a swamp? Why did she lie to her parents and law enforcement until so much evidence was destroyed. Child Neglect falls under the Child Abuse Statute. Where was Casey Anthony when her child died? Why was she not protecting her?

Casey Anthony should have been convicted of Aggravated Child Abuse at a minimum. Her child died in her care and she is responsible. End of story.

Can I be your friend?

 

[chris1gill]

He looked so sad and sick when the verdict was read. It is too bad this is the trial he is going out on. Make no mistake - he was brilliant and Caylee could not have asked for a better advocate - but he will probably always wonder what he could have done differently.

I hope that's not the case. He was brilliant on working the case he had, both he and LDB. Not every case has a smoking gun however. I hope he doesn't have regrets about his work on the case, the outcome of course, but not on the work he has done.

If Oprah was still around, that would be her first stop. I bet anything Casey and Jose will be on Geraldo soon.

I am completely baffled. How do they think she is not guilty of anything?? Not guilty of manslaughter, not guilty of child abuse, not guilty of anything except having imaginary friends??

The man we visit on death row was convicted in Pinellas County, on much less than this. Without being too specific, he was convicted almost soley on the word a person who was given a deal. To this day a body has not been found, yet there he sits on death row, and Casey will be partying by this weekend. I'm not saying at all that he does not belong in jail, or even that the does not belong on death row (he himself is pro death penalty, which is not a popular view to have on death row). I'm saying this makes absolutely no sense. I never wished the death penalty upon her, but I certainly wished for her to pay. And now she has gotten away with murder.

Somehow I think they will be on Geraldo Thursday night or Friday... it will be her first step towards paying for her housing...

This case had a lot of evidence, if people choose not to accept it or hear it or listen to it, or use some common sense, there's nothing any of us can do about it.

BTW, very telling to me that she was hugging and crying and celebrating with her lawyers, not her parents.

Her parents were the first to walk out the door, the mother was smiling though. Glad she apparently got what she wanted.

I'll tell you what other type of behavior is inexcusable too (oh, and there IS evidence of this): Partying, tattooing and basically just having a good ole time while your daughter is __________ (kidnapped, dead from an accident that you don't report, dead by your own hand - you fill in the blank), and then lying to people who are trying to find your daughter. THAT'S inexcusable to me. Unfortunately, the jury must not have thought so.

Definitely inexcusable in my book....

Sorry if this was mentioned before, but I just heard that Jeff Ashton is quitting after 20 years of being a prosecutor.

30 years, I wonder if this had been discussed for some time but wasn't made public until after the conclusion of the trial.

I'm not trying to be offensive, but...

anyone who expected otherwise or is "shocked" by the verdict, really must not have a "legal" mind.

the state failed to even really propose a case and in all other regards, failed completely. IMHO the tax payers of FL should do anything legally possible to remove all those in the DA's office that worked on this case from their positions.

I guess I have a common sense mind, she's guilty as sin, however for the last 3 weeks I've told my family she was going to walk. In today's day and age people want that smoking gun, that CSI moment, they want it clear as the clearest day. They aren't able to actually think through the details. This is clearly a jury that couldn't think through the details, they knew last night what the verdict was going to be. The State proved a case, was it without ANY doubt? No, any reasonable doubt? yes. However those two things can get easily mixed up, there is a difference, thus I saw this coming. I had hope I was wrong. But not in this I want it now society I guess.

Do you think retirement makes him look like a sore loser or a weak person who has thrown in the towel?

I agree with the person who said "tired", I think he is tired.

I would think, the Son of Sam law will keep Casey from profiting from this case. She was convicted on other charges.

Casey is not normal, and yes, her behavior was/is bizarre. This case was overcharged, thus ..the acquittal on the three most serious charges. IMO

About the only thing they didn't charge her with was child neglect, but apparently from what the alternate said, doesn't sound like that would have flown either. Would the good people of Florida have been happy if she were never charged with anything? You work the case you have, not the one you wish you had.

I don't know about that. The commentator and lawyers on tv are starting to change their tune. Now they're beginning to say, "well, come to think of it, the prosecution overcharged, didn't have evidence, yada yada".

Like I said, about the only thing they didn't charge her with was neglect and what would be the point in that? Time Served....

Translated: Hey you stupid idiots that don't know as much as I do.........no offense, of course.

Can people really type that with a straight face?

Well that is true isn't it... Because they knew for certainty all along.

So we let guilty people go? Its not about concrete smoking guns. Its about the preponderance of the evidence, circumstantial and otherwise. Its about looking at everything, using common sense and evaluating.

If we always needed a piece of concrete evidence, most of our criminals would be free. Reasonable doubt is not Possible doubt. This is not a CSI tv vshow

Apparently from now on most of our criminals will be on the street unless they were caught with the gun or on videotape.... We'll save a lot of money by not trying the other cases I suppose (yes, I am bitter about today's verdict even though it wasn't unexpected, I'm sorry...)

 

[alliesmommy]

The whole case is just heartbreaking. As a mom, I can't wrap my brain around it. Why on Earth would a mother act the way that Casey did KNOWING that her child was dead and rotting away in some swamp? I understand grief can make a person act in strange ways, sure. But go out, get drunk, get laid, get tatted up, strange? I'm not so sure I buy it.

I do, however, appreciate what the jury had to face. It's not their job to come up with convincing evidence. The burden of proof is on the prosecution. In the end, I think that the evidence just wasn't enough to prove foul play.

I do feel that the turning point was the mom's testimony. She purgered herself at some point. Whether it was that she lied to the investigators that she wasn't home searching the internet on chloroform or when she was on the stand and said that she did. I think it was just enough to cast doubt in the jury's mind.

Maybe one day we'll know what truly happened. RIP little Caylee.

 

[Nancy]

What really makes me mad is that the jury didn't ask for ONE piece of evidence to look at.

How in the hell can you declare someone either guilty or not guilty without going over the evidence?

I have no idea..I think they went into that jury room and did nothing. I can't believe that 12 people would decide this without asking questions or asking to see something. How many times have we here on this thread gone back and looked up something that was said to compare as to whether or not testimony had changed?

Glad to see that we have another thread here to vent. Can anyone imagine Casey getting a job in Orlando after all this? She doesn't even have a high school diploma.

Who in their right mind would hire her.

Local news announced that he will retire at the end of the week. If anyone is interested, he will be on The View tomorrow.

Cindy and George have gone into hiding. They have received numerous death threats.

That is sad that he is retiring. And also sad to think that people are threatening the Anthonys.

I don't, I think she will be just fine with the money rolling in. That is, unless she does something else, like OJ, and end up in jail again.

I can see he ending up their again....maybe some of the people she stole from that haven't reported it can now go to the police.

I will be on the Big Brother thread too, I need some senseless silly stuff in my life after this .

RIP Caylee , there are people that care.

There are. I had a little cry today that justice was not served for this poor baby.

There has already been a fight outside the restaurant where the defense team is having dinner. A man got into an fight with a security person preventing people from entering the restaurant.

While I realize that people are upset, I cannot condone the behavior I now see by some people today in Orlando. If you don't like the way our justice system works, work to have it changed.

I am saddened to hear that people are threatening the Anthonys. I have no doubt that Casey's life will be in danger when she is released. There is no excuse for this type of behavior.

I said that too...and someone at work said "only the Lord can render final judgement"..well yeah, that is true..but whackjobs don't listen to the Lord.

I would like to k ow how this brings closure for them, she threw everyone under the bus, got mad when her dad did not comply with it. Casey is the only one who knows what she did to Caylee. How is that closure?

There is no closure...their granddaughter is still dead, they still don't know exactly what happened even though they have to know that their daughter killed her and threw her away like trash...but how is it closure? Cause they don't have to go to court everyday?

I would love to have her interview with me

Yeah

"why do you want to come work for us?"

"so in a few months I can lie about working here to everyone and it will sound so good since this is such a good company to work for"

Did you get a chance to follow the case every single day? I watched all of it, did not miss one day and felt there was plenty of evidence that she murdered her child. I think that is why so many of us, including the news people are stunned because we thought there was plenty of evidence.

what she said

I think they were tired of being sequestered and thought they could make more money off of not guilty. They dressed up today, so it's obvious they knew last night they were going to come to a verdict today.

I have been hesitant to say it..but I think the jury decided to let her go so they could all get on with their lives....yep, I am just that cynical about people to believe it. Happy cruising to one of the jurors.

I think it makes him look tired of the crap.

yes, you put your heart and soul into trying to get justice for a murdered baby and it has to take something out of you.

Some might aruge that a conviction in a case with zero direct evidence would not conform to common sense

no offense of course but some would argue that there was enough circumstantial evidence to convict her of the lesser charges...not murder 1, but at least one of the lesser charges..and not just the lies.

You'll be in good company apparently...a certain Mr. Mason, Mr. Biaz.....

I certainly hope you are not saying they are good company? Baez is a joke..he got lucky with this case because he bumbled his way through it. Baez was such a no good that he couldn't even get admitted to the bar for years.


And while we are on the subject of JB...when does the judge rule as to contempt charges on him for all the crap he tried to pull?

 

[horseshowmom]

She was convicted on four felony counts of lying to LE. Can she write a book, and discuss the lies? Or, is she prevented from doing so?

My understanding is that she will not be prevented from receiving remuneration because she was not convicted for the crime. She was convicted of telling lies to LE but not for the death of Caylee.


Also, while I know they mean well, I get frustrated hearing people (including my DH ) who keep saying that she will have to live with what she's done. I keep asking whether they saw any of the pictures from the 31 days. She doesn't have any problem with living with it at all.

And regarding where Casey will do, Mason was asked whether she would be going back home, and he got a snide look on his face and said "not likely".

 

[Goofyluver]

She was convicted on four felony counts of lying to LE. Can she write a book, and discuss the lies? Or, is she prevented from doing so?

I have been thinking about that myself. I am not sure what the case law is (if any) but as soon as I know I will report back.

There's been speculation on the news and such. The SC overturned the Son of Sam laws, but Florida does apparently have statutes on the books. However, Casey was only convicted of 4 misdemeanor charges of lying to law enforcement. Since she was not convicted of the murder charge, she would apparently be free to write a book about Caylee's death. Son of Sam laws are there in order to ensure that convicted felons don't profit from their victims, and there is no "victim" in this case.

Ugh. Typing that out.

 

[Brit17]

Apparently, an impartial panel of qualified citizens aka the jury did not

The jury is still out on that in my book ...

Well, you may not mean to be offensive, but but the last sentence is quite an insult to law enforcement,to the DA's Office of Orange County, and to the wonderful and dedicated prosecutors involved. All of whom have a great deal of legal experience and verified legal minds. Perhaps you should look up Judge Belvin Perry's and Jeff Ashton's outstanding resumes and records.

But I'll forgive you for being unintentionally offensive because you apparently do not have a "legal" mind either.

The vast majority of murder cases depend on circumstantial evidence. (See Scott Peterson). Not many murderers are considerate enough to kill people in full view of an audience, and are actually apprehended by law enforcement with the murder weapon in hand.

The State in this case had a very strong circumstantial case. Perhaps some people were not paying attention.

This jury obviously gave this defendant the benefit of every unreasonable doubt and sent common sense flying out the window.

Let me leave you with this thought: Who was the parent and "caregiver" of little Caylee?

Answer -- Casey Anthony. Where was she when little Caylee died (of any cause). Where was she when little Caylee was wrapped in trash bags and dumped in a swamp? Why did she lie to her parents and law enforcement until so much evidence was destroyed. Child Neglect falls under the Child Abuse Statute. Where was Casey Anthony when her child died? Why was she not protecting her?

Casey Anthony should have been convicted of Aggravated Child Abuse at a minimum. Her child died in her care and she is responsible. End of story.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I am struggling with this verdict.

But taking what the alternate juror said, it seems that if a lie is told convincingly enough, it can get acquitted of murder.


Well, I was wrong in what I thought would happen, here is hoping I am wrong about the following guesses of what happens next:

She goes free this week...

She friends up with mommy and daddy again,'Cindy won't want to further alienate her. Casey will "come clean" (aka lie) about the horrific abuse and turn daddy away. She will make money slandering and libeling him.

Geraldo will be the first stop in the interview circuit. This will be her only free/low cost interview.

She sill sue any person who attempts to profit off if the case.

She may or may not become the next Erin Brokavich. (one of the interviewees in recent weeks was a woman who murdered her dad after wars of abuse. She did her time and either was now an attorney or going to school for it---she thinks Casey did it, FWIW--so Casey would not be the first nor last person to turn to law as a career choice)

She will only do one authorized movie and would probably want to play herself.

She will have a full and complete makeover before her interview with Geraldo. Jose will have a staffer take her to mall at millenia for a personal shopping spree.

She will never again address anything other than the story she fabricated for her defense.


Those are my predictions. We'll see what sticks.

 

[JaneBanks]

Well, you may not mean to be offensive, but but the last sentence is quite an insult to law enforcement,to the DA's Office of Orange County, and to the wonderful and dedicated prosecutors involved. All of whom have a great deal of legal experience and verified legal minds. Perhaps you should look up Judge Belvin Perry's and Jeff Ashton's outstanding resumes and records.

But I'll forgive you for being unintentionally offensive because you apparently do not have a "legal" mind either.

The vast majority of murder cases depend on circumstantial evidence. (See Scott Peterson). Not many murderers are considerate enough to kill people in full view of an audience, and are actually apprehended by law enforcement with the murder weapon in hand.

The State in this case had a very strong circumstantial case. Perhaps some people were not paying attention.

This jury obviously gave this defendant the benefit of every unreasonable doubt and sent common sense flying out the window.

Let me leave you with this thought: Who was the parent and "caregiver" of little Caylee?

Answer -- Casey Anthony. Where was she when little Caylee died (of any cause). Where was she when little Caylee was wrapped in trash bags and dumped in a swamp? Why did she lie to her parents and law enforcement until so much evidence was destroyed. Child Neglect falls under the Child Abuse Statute. Where was Casey Anthony when her child died? Why was she not protecting her?

Casey Anthony should have been convicted of Aggravated Child Abuse at a minimum. Her child died in her care and she is responsible. End of story.

 

[Mosoh]

So, since she claims this was an accident and she knew this since June 16th and she didn't come forth with this info, you think we, the citizens of Florida can sue her to recover our money for having had to house her in jail for 3 years, pay for her attorneys and other expenses? I mean we could have saved ourselves a lot of money and time if she would have said the truth, her truth, but at least something!

I'm not trying to be offensive, but...

anyone who expected otherwise or is "shocked" by the verdict, really must not have a "legal" mind.

the state failed to even really propose a case and in all other regards, failed completely. IMHO the tax payers of FL should do anything legally possible to remove all those in the DA's office that worked on this case from their positions.

Too late.

Not to be offensive but that's just silly

Well I suppose I don't have a "legal" mind then ... but what I do have, and am proud of having, is common sense ...

Absolutley

even Jane Velez just said "in confusion there is reasonable doubt". A few hours ago she was crying travesty!

There are some TH brave enough to go against PC and admit this was a wrong verdict.

The jury is still out on that in my book ...

 

[kellyg403]

My understanding is that she will not be prevented from receiving remuneration because she was not convicted for the crime. She was convicted of telling lies to LE but not for the death of Caylee.


Also, while I know they mean well, I get frustrated hearing people (including my DH ) who keep saying that she will have to live with what she's done. I keep asking whether they saw any of the pictures from the 31 days. She doesn't have any problem with living with it at all.

And regarding where Casey will do, Mason was asked whether she would be going back home, and he got a snide look on his face and said "not likely".

If Casey's MO proves to be true, she will lie and lie to them and they will write her off too. I just hope her parents don't change their mind and 'forgive' and 'forget'.

Casey has literally no relationship skills. Baez will use her to gain some popularity or noteriety depending on how you want to look at it. But the first time she throws him under the bus, he will be done. His image is number one at this point.

It should be interesting to see what happens to her. I can't imagine she will be able to stay in Florida. I can't imagine extended family in Ohio or SC will have anything to do with her, they tried to convince Cindy from day 1.

Then I remember, she is celebrity. Someone she has befriended as a penpal in jail will probably be her protector.

Kelly