Casey Anthony NOT GUILTY & Sentencing Thread 6

[JaneBanks]

There was conflicting testimony on this, so depending on who you believe, they didn't take Casey's car, they took Tony's.

No. That's not evidence. That's an unanswered question. Many posters here seem to know everything and have all the answers that the stupid, Florida jury were just too ignorant to figure out. I was just hoping you would share your wisdom with me, since I still have many questions!

Another friend testified that it was a different date than Maria said it was and they did not drive in Casey's car.

 

[sbtrfly74]

I agree totally. What I find amusing is the sore loser syndrome that has developed. Had the jury found her guilty, they would have been considered saints. Because people don't like their decision, they are now incompetent and uneducated. Amazing!

No Im not calling them incompetent or uneducated based on the verdict, I only called them stupid, incompetent and uneducated after Juror #3 released her statement.

Terry morgan:
You think this might have been an accident that she might have drowned in a pool? You believe the defense on that?

Juror #3
I’m not saying that, im saying it’s a lot easier to get to that conclusion, i can walk from here to there and make it happen but with the chloroform Im all over the place, I have no idea im at, im in a maze, I don’t know where im at. I don’t know where the end is. Im not even quite sure where I began with the chloraform so I cant get from beginning to end, a to b, to see what even happened. I cant make it work.


T.M-If it was an acc. In the pool , how did the child end up in a swamp months later?

J#3-You deny it, you get rid of it. You don’t look at it, don’t think of it, it doesn’t exist, its gone

T.M-Your covering up for murder, that’s what the prosecution said

J#3-Your covering up something, its not proven it’s a murder, either an accident nobody knows what it is

T.M-Im gonna press you on this

J#3-Go for it

T.M-Duct tape on a baby, in a bag, rotting in the woods, most ppl put 2 and 2 together and say that’s a murder

J#3-In our country unfortunately we have to prove it, u cant just be it looks bad, it smells bad it , I get that, but its someone elses life, and if Im wrong and I kill someone elses, I cant live with that.

 

[Kurby]

if the dp was such a huge issue for them to get over even though they didn't have to get over it because they didn't have to convict her AND give her dp they could have given her life.

so based on that - shouldn't sentencing be completely separate? meaning don't say what you're seeking. do the trial based on guilty or not on all counts THEN when found guilty for murder 1 and they go to sentencing that's when and only then does it come in that they are asking for the dp.

dp
life
# of years.


that way how long someone gets NEVER plays into the verdict

 

[mickeyboat]

Nope, they saw it was the Casey Anthony trial and after that, they could only see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, would you give up 6 weeks of your life to sit through a trial with graphic and upsetting evidence, boring but sometimes confusing testimony, with the possible consequence of the defendant's death; then render a verdit that is wildly unpopular which was sure to be met with the public's ire (and Nancy Grace's, too) just for the money?

Would 12 people who took an oath to do a certain duty really do that?

 

[Kurby]

Remember earlier today ppl were asking who was the guy with the "Marry me KC" sign....Well here ya go!

now how could she say no to him

 

[usnuzuloose]

I hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, would you give up 6 weeks of your life to sit through a trial with graphic and upsetting evidence, boring but sometimes confusing testimony, with the possible consequence of the defendant's death; then render a verdit that is wildly unpopular which was sure to be met with the public's ire (and Nancy Grace's, too) just for the money?

Would 12 people who took an oath to do a certain duty really do that?

Is that why one juror is holding out for 5 figure for his story?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

And here's another thing..

Remember jury voir dire? The Death Penalty qualification stage? Every one of these jurors was explained how it works and were asked if they could render a verdict without considering the penalty (even though they completely overlooked lesser charges). Each one said they could and would. Well, seems like that wasn't very true, was it?

Exactly.

I agree totally. What I find amusing is the sore loser syndrome that has developed. Had the jury found her guilty, they would have been considered saints. Because people don't like their decision, they are now incompetent and uneducated. Amazing!

Oh please. Don't you have a defense party to attend? Again...DO NOT tell me what I would have thought of the jury if they had come back with a guilty verdict. I absolutely feel Casey is guilty, 100%, and of course I wanted to see her convicted. I would NOT have thought of them as "saints". With the amount of time they deliberated, I questioned BEFORE THE VERDICT WAS ANNOUNCED how they could have reached it in that amount of time, especially knowing that they hadn't asked a single question or asked to have anything played back to them. THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO THAT...we all know that. But THAT is what I felt. NOT what you have thrown out there. So please Feral, speak for yourself. I was concerned when they came back so soon that if it WAS guilty that with the amount of time they spent on the deliberations, or lack thereof, there was probably some cause for mistrial/appeal/overturn. No "sainthood" bestowed.

 

[Lionqueen2]

Actually I'm basing my thoughts on the words the jurors themselves have been releasing as to their 'thoughts'. It's sounding more and more like they did not understand their job as jurors. They are making themselves look bad. And it's OK to call them on it, b/c maybe something can be changed so this doesn't happen again. Maybe someone without a high school diploma does not have the thinking skills or knowledge to decipher technical evidence or be capable of understanding complex court instructions. If I am ever called for jury duty I will happily serve.

Actually, several people on the jury were trained nurses, one was a school teacher, and at least another person with a masters degree.

Regardless of the decision, I have respect for the jury. These folks gave up at least 6 weeks of their time and had to make a very serious decision. Whether or not I like their decision does not affect how I feel about the jury. They involved themselves in the legal process and did what they felt they had to do. Also, unlike the rest of us who were bombarded by continuous news and opinions, they were held away from all of this and only heard and saw what was legally allowable in court.

 

[Kurby]

I hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, would you give up 6 weeks of your life to sit through a trial with graphic and upsetting evidence, boring but sometimes confusing testimony, with the possible consequence of the defendant's death; then render a verdict that is wildly unpopular which was sure to be met with the public's ire (and Nancy Grace's, too) just for the money?

Would 12 people who took an oath to do a certain duty really do that?

you're kidding right???? did you not see how many people gave up jobs, vacation time, family (for those out of town and there were many) etc to wait in line for hours and hours every night to get a "ticket" to the "hottest show in town"

these people didn't have to render a verdict no but it's just proof that people will do just about anything for even 5 minutes in the light.

how else do you explain why they didn't just leave and go back to their life. how long did it take before the first person (#6 wasn't it) contacted a pr firm and sent out a letter to the media asking that all requests go through them.

so ya - i totally believe it.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I agree totally. Had the jury found her guilty, they would have been considered saints. Because people don't like their decision, they are now incompetent and uneducated. Amazing!

I don't like their verdict and once the individual jurors explained why they could not convict, I was able to formulate an opinion using their very words that they did NOT follow law in some aspects of their decision making process.


What is amazing is the folks who put them on a pedestal. I don't get that at all. Being a juror does not render one omnipotent. I would not have called them Saints either if they rendered a different verdict.

But those who enjoy painting with broad brushes to not even question a hasty decision made out of fear of ONE sentence and statements made in an opening statement that were never proven in court.

I appreciate that you have done time on a jury. It does not make any other people's opinion any less valid.

This isn't sore loser syndrome. It is but another aspect of our democratic society where people have voices and if it leads to a more improved process of obtaining FAiR trials with just verdicts based on fact instead of fantasy for ALL parties. Junk science for the state, junk accusations for the defense.

A trial where one's constitutional rights were protected at the violation of another...

 

[JaneBanks]

I hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, would you give up 6 weeks of your life to sit through a trial with graphic and upsetting evidence, boring but sometimes confusing testimony, with the possible consequence of the defendant's death; then render a verdit that is wildly unpopular which was sure to be met with the public's ire (and Nancy Grace's, too) just for the money?

Would 12 people who took an oath to do a certain duty really do that?

Nope

Other people have answered for me.

Also, juror number 3 told the judge during the selection process that she "wanted to be on the jury".

 

[dandave]

Another friend testified that it was a different date than Maria said it was and they did not drive in Casey's car.

Which friend? Again, I didn't hear that.

 

[mickeyboat]

I will ask you this if you were on the other side of the fence, and you knew the defendent killed the person for sure and was guilty, and knew no one else was involved with the crime, would you be saying the same thing if they came back with a not guilty verdict? Before you answer this please give yourself some time to think about it.

I actually do believe Casey killed her daughter. I was really hoping that the jury would come back with a guilty verdict.

But I still will not sit here and insult and second guess the jury. They made a really tough decision, which was a much different decision than whether or not they think she did it. They had to decide whether or not the state proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. And apparently there was some clear reasonable doubt to them since the jury came back unanimous after such a short period of time.

 

[Mosoh]

I hope you are being sarcastic.

If not, would you give up 6 weeks of your life to sit through a trial with graphic and upsetting evidence, boring but sometimes confusing testimony, with the possible consequence of the defendant's death; then render a verdit that is wildly unpopular which was sure to be met with the public's ire (and Nancy Grace's, too) just for the money?

Would 12 people who took an oath to do a certain duty really do that?

Again with the public wrath sheesh,...they were sequestered and ignorant of the case prior to being selected.

That is such a bunch of hooey I am surprised so many people use it as proof of anything.

 

[joviroxx]

I agree totally. Had the jury found her guilty, they would have been considered saints. Because people don't like their decision, they are now incompetent and uneducated. Amazing!

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But I still will not sit here and insult and second guess the jury. They made a really tough decision, which was a much different decision than whether or not they think she did it. They had to decide whether or not the state proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. And apparently there was some clear reasonable doubt to them since the jury came back unanimous after such a short period of time.

Actually, several people on the jury were trained nurses, one was a school teacher, and at least another person with a masters degree.

Regardless of the decision, I have respect for the jury. These folks gave up at least 6 weeks of their time and had to make a very serious decision. Whether or not I like their decision does not affect how I feel about the jury. They involved themselves in the legal process and did what they felt they had to do. Also, unlike the rest of us who were bombarded by continuous news and opinions, they were held away from all of this and only heard and saw what was legally allowable in court.

So because of these things, EVERY jury gets it right? Juries are perfect and infallible? Baloney! Its our right and our RESPONSIBILITY to speak up when something doesn't seem right. To just accept it and go on is irresponsible!

Hey its tough to be the President too and people attack him every single day!!

 

[FredinFL]

I absolutely think that some jurors saw dollar signs. I also think their verdict was wrong, but that's the chance you take with this system. I'm just waiting for her to get out and someone to take her out one night. BOOM! ovah. With her partying style, it won't be long. It wouldn't even necessarily be someone who wanted to get her for killing her child. Just a random scum.

 

[Lionqueen2]

I actually do believe Casey killed her daughter. I was really hoping that the jury would come back with a guilty verdict.

But I still will not sit here and insult and second guess the jury. They made a really tough decision, which was a much different decision than whether or not they think she did it. They had to decide whether or not the state proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. And apparently there was some clear reasonable doubt to them since the jury came back unanimous after such a short period of time.

Exactly! Regardless of our feelings, the jury was not supposed to judge on that criteria. Their assignment was to decide if the prosecution proved their case without reasonable doubt.
Throughout the trial I had concerns about the prosecution's case. While most folks felt that the defense didn't do a good job, I felt it was the prosecution that didn't and was concerned about how it would affect the outcome. Even though some of the 'news' programming that tried to sensationalize the case seemed to be cheering the prosecution and stirred up much emotion, I just felt differently about their case.

 

[Mosoh]

Which friend? Again, I didn't hear that.

Exactly the point.

The jury did have all the evidence and made a hasty conclusion based on not following the instructions of the judge.

Also, it was testified to that on the 26th she herself smelled the death in the car and dumped it the next day.

 

[Brit17]

Jane Mitchell is saying KC was a model prisoner - wasn't she in solitaire? did they expect her to fight with herself???? of course she was a MODLE prisoner - she was being protected.

Well, remember, she did have all those imaginary friends that she could have picked a fight with at anytime ... and from what my sources tell me, they could get pretty rowdy sometimes too ...

I agree with Chris Cuomo.... they did not understand their instructions or what those instructions meant.

ITA ... and after actually listening to Juror #3 & to alternate Juror #14, it was pretty much confirmed for me ...

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I actually do believe Casey killed her daughter. I was really hoping that the jury would come back with a guilty verdict.

But I still will not sit here and insult and second guess the jury. They made a really tough decision, which was a much different decision than whether or not they think she did it. They had to decide whether or not the state proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. And apparently there was some clear reasonable doubt to them since the jury came back unanimous after such a short period of time.

Actually, what is apparent from statements some jurors have made is that they clearly didn't understand some of the charges, took opening statements as evidence, and didn't understand the judge's instructions. Possibly, they also discussed the case before deliberations, judging by some of their statements.

If nothing else, maybe this case will be studied as far as jury selection, sequestering, deliberations and instructions, so that changes may be made towards more just verdicts.