Cancelled Our Cruise -Going To Universal

So when we went to Universal, we chose to stay on property as it was approaching Thanksgiving, and crowd calendars predicted it would be busy. I found an AP rate to stay at Portofino Bay for around $300/night - really pricey but we did have all 5 of us in the room. This was also a club rate so it included breakfast and afternoon snacks and an evening reception - so this significantly saved on food costs because we only ate lunch at the parks. We also brought a lot of the club snacks into the parks for munching on. And of course, the unlimited Express Pass itself was so worth the cost. But, we live on the West Coast in Canada and it's hard to get to Florida, so we won't be able to go often - thus, a splurge.
 
So when we went to Universal, we chose to stay on property as it was approaching Thanksgiving, and crowd calendars predicted it would be busy. I found an AP rate to stay at Portofino Bay for around $300/night - really pricey but we did have all 5 of us in the room. This was also a club rate so it included breakfast and afternoon snacks and an evening reception - so this significantly saved on food costs because we only ate lunch at the parks. We also brought a lot of the club snacks into the parks for munching on. And of course, the unlimited Express Pass itself was so worth the cost. But, we live on the West Coast in Canada and it's hard to get to Florida, so we won't be able to go often - thus, a splurge.

What is also nice about Universal's APs are they are not nearly as expensive as Disney's. We upgraded our two day park to park tickets to seasonal for $10 (later upgraded to the next level for $60 more).
 
OP, now for fun check out rates at the deluxe hotels, since they include unlimited express pass from checkin until the parks close on checkout day. :)


I don't think the pricing is too bad -- it is a deluxe vacation with a nice stateroom compared to other lines, included child care, entertainment, and fine dining 24/7.

Dining isn’t available 24/7 as far as I’ve noticed. And I’ve found no “fine” Dining on dcl, even at Palo. For me, the food on Royal is as good (with more vegetarian options) as on Disney.

I’ve loved the staterooms we’ve had on royal.

The others have childcare and entertainment as well. My son maybe can’t go to some things on Royal, but then I can’t stand the super-cheesy fluff on Disney! :)


So...some might agree with the description and value you’ve given to dcl, but not all. :)
 
Kinda sad - cancelled our 5 night cruise, but was having so much trouble justifying spending nearly $4500 (canadian) for 5 nights -cruise was $3650 cdn for 2 of us. Then Miami hotel - 300 cdn, tips - 155cdn, plus an excursion maybe, plus drinks (not big drinkers but would spend some), plus Palo, plus car rent to drive to Orlando afterwards, etc.... Before I knew it I was burning through about $4500 for FIVE DAYS! Also it will cost me about $250 more to fly into Miami than Orlando.

I love Disney - my heart is with Disney. We have sailed NCL, RCCL, Carnival and Princess and NO - nothing compares to a Disney Cruise, but I just can't justify it when other cruise lines are half or less than half.

We have never been to Universal and I managed to book 5 nights with park to park tix in the new Aventura hotel for $1350! Then we will head over for free dining at WDW for the week after.

I also noticed our sailing (which final payment due next week) is really empty. We have like 3 people in our dismeet group and soooooooo many cabins available. I forsee some GT rates come up. Who knows, if it lowers enough, maybe i will rebook, but for now -Universal is getting my money that week!

Anyone else feeling DCL is getting out of control with pricing?

Although a cruise and a land trip are very different, I think you're going to LOVE Universal.

I'm a hardcore Disney fan but I've always liked the Universal Parks more. The Harry Potter and The Simpsons section are SO immersive. :)

Next year, we are planning to do a Land & Sea (spending a few days in Universal and ending with a short RCCL cruise to visit the refurbished CocoCay island).

I am one of those who kinda branched out of DCL because I feel that other popular cruise lines are "stepping up their games" and are offering an excellent cruising experience for a much more affordable price...

I've always disagreed with people saying DCL is "deluxe" or "luxury". I mean it's clean and the look is classic but other than that... I mean, take a look at real "luxury" cruises and you will notice a difference.

At this point, when I want Disney, I go to Disney and when I want to cruise, I go with another cruise line.

Not excluding trying one of the new DCL ship for a short cruise in the future if they offer something new but if I do I would definitely stick to a short because of the price. I'm not a fan of paying 700$/pp for a 3 nights when I can get a whole week with another cruise line and have just as much fun.
 
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DCL is very expensive, it's true. However, you have to consider they are considered to be the best cruise line on the waters.

Being the best simply isn't cheap, and one would not expect to pay the same for the best as you pay for other places. Would you expect a meal at the nicest restaurant in the city to cost the same as Applebees? Of course not.

Fact is that the ships are largely sailing at capacity and Disney has absolutely no problem filling them. Pricing is all about supply and demand. Don't expect prices to fall until demand drops off and that's not likely to happen anytime soon.
 
DCL is very expensive, it's true. However, you have to consider they are considered to be the best cruise line on the waters.

Being the best simply isn't cheap, and one would not expect to pay the same for the best as you pay for other places. Would you expect a meal at the nicest restaurant in the city to cost the same as Applebees? Of course not.

Fact is that the ships are largely sailing at capacity and Disney has absolutely no problem filling them. Pricing is all about supply and demand. Don't expect prices to fall until demand drops off and that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

I have to disagree with you:

The "best for families" maybe... but in other Categories, they rarely make it to Top 5 (Crystal, Seabourn, Viking & Azamara usually take all the spots).

One of my friends was a TA (he unfortunately passed last year) and he told me that DCL cruises departing from San Juan, Galveston and NYC were not selling out and they were pretty much filling up the ships with TA's (I'm not giving out the price but he had 7 nights cruises in a verandah cabin for less than what I paid for a 3 nights in an inside cabin)...
 
OP, now for fun check out rates at the deluxe hotels, since they include unlimited express pass from checkin until the parks close on checkout day. :)




Dining isn’t available 24/7 as far as I’ve noticed. And I’ve found no “fine” Dining on dcl, even at Palo. For me, the food on Royal is as good (with more vegetarian options) as on Disney.

I’ve loved the staterooms we’ve had on royal.

The others have childcare and entertainment as well. My son maybe can’t go to some things on Royal, but then I can’t stand the super-cheesy fluff on Disney! :)


So...some might agree with the description and value you’ve given to dcl, but not all. :)

In fairness, was comparing to the OP's stay at Universal, not another cruise line, and I do think a disney cruise offers a lot more than a theme park. I was using 24/7 colloquially rather than literally, because I don't think anyone really wants to eat 4am ;)

I do agree with you though, that a lot of this is subjective. I thought our Disney cruise stateroom, dining, spa, and entertainment was much nicer than on our Princess cruise, but I'm sure others would disagree. It has always been a common point of disagreement that a lot of people people think Disney entertainment is magical/transporting/fun, while others think it is commercial/cheesy/childish--but if Disney is something that appeals to the OP (and it sounded like it was) I do think the cruise offers a better value than universal.
 
I'll be the vote for staying off property. I found their hotel rates to be very high without having any themeing (which I like). We stayed off site for around $70 a night and used Lyft to go back forth (parking is very expensive).

We have gotten some pretty good rates during one of their specials, or with AAA. I usually don't buy the package, because I get our tickets through Undercover Tourist. I like staying on property only because you get the "fast pass" to rides with just your room card -- and we have saved significant time bypassing the long lines for popular rides. However, I don't think the value hotels they have recently built include that option with a room.
 
I have to disagree with you:

The "best for families" maybe... but in other Categories, they rarely make it to Top 5 (Crystal, Seabourn, Viking & Azamara usually take all the spots).

One of my friends was a TA (he unfortunately passed last year) and he told me that DCL cruises departing from San Juan, Galveston and NYC were not selling out and they were pretty much filling up the ships with TA's (I'm not giving out the price but he had 7 nights cruises in a verandah cabin for less than what I paid for a 3 nights in an inside cabin)...


Hmmm. Interesting choices. IMHO you are comparing Apples to Oranges as every line you listed is actually NOT a competitor to DCL. They are small to mid sized ships, not Oceanliners. That's a horse of a different color. In fact, when DCL announced 2 new ships, the industry was debating if they intended to create river cruises and ships of small-mid category to compete with the very companies and industry you list.

However, for entertainment value:
Crystal - hardly cheaper than Disney. Kinda makes my point. Sure, there is more than one nice steakhouse in a city. The point remains that you pay more for a nice place than an applebees. Crystal's cruises are in many cases more expensive then DCL. They also have very small ships and are not really a serious competitor in the ocean liner category where DCL plays.

Seabourn - Also not generally my cup of tea. In fact, I really don't see them ever rated in the travel sites. I think they are generally more pacific ocean?

Viking - Viking is very nice and often gets good ratings, but they are not ocean liners. They compete in the range of small ships largely doing river cruises.

Azmara - They are the little sister to RCL, right? They do not compete with oceanliners as they are small ships with limited activities (RCL and Celebrity own the ocean liners).



For 2018, Disney scored Best for Families and Best in the Caribbean from US News.
They have scored #1 cruise lines several years from Business Insider.
Escape gives them 4.3 / 5 stars (the best rating for any cruise line)

In fact, they often hold the #1 or are in the top 5 for a number of categories including: Best Cruise line for Families (as you note), Best cruise line in the Caribbean (based on ratings, itineraries, activities, number of ports of call), Best Cruise Line for Entertainment and best for Cleanliness.

Regarding what your friend told you, I do not know about ships leaving from other ports of call. I just know that the ones out of Canaveral and Miami are usually very full. The others that I have been interested in out of other ports of call are often at a premium for space.

However, I also believe what my eyes tell me over that I may have heard from a friend or what someone else on a forum believes. Disney wouldn't make a profit sailing out of Galveston filling the ships with TA's. They would either move to another port, reduce their price or make other changes. Given that none of those things have happened and they have sailed out of that port for years, logic to me dictates that the ships are filling enough for it to be worthwhile. Or are you going to try to convince me that Disney enjoys losing money? Because as a stockholder, that bucket doesn't hold water. DCL continues to outperform the other divisions in Parks and Resorts including the international markets. Given that this is true, and it cannot be supported purely from the Fantasy and Dream in the Caribbean, logic dictates that these other ports of call are making their own turn of profit which again leads me to conclude that they will not likely be lowering the price in those ports.
 
Hmmm. Interesting choices. IMHO you are comparing Apples to Oranges as every line you listed is actually NOT a competitor to DCL. They are small to mid sized ships, not Oceanliners. That's a horse of a different color. In fact, when DCL announced 2 new ships, the industry was debating if they intended to create river cruises and ships of small-mid category to compete with the very companies and industry you list.

I will say though that this would be an awesome idea for their next set of ships -- river cruises. It would tie in nicely with ABD and would attract a whole new crowd. Granted, they can't put all the bells and whistles on these smaller and flatter boats, but what a great venture for them to branch off to and the ability to add whole new sets of itineraries!
 
DCL is very expensive, it's true. However, you have to consider they are considered to be the best cruise line on the waters.

Being the best simply isn't cheap, and one would not expect to pay the same for the best as you pay for other places. Would you expect a meal at the nicest restaurant in the city to cost the same as Applebees? Of course not.

Fact is that the ships are largely sailing at capacity and Disney has absolutely no problem filling them. Pricing is all about supply and demand. Don't expect prices to fall until demand drops off and that's not likely to happen anytime soon.

No, just no.

https://www.travelandleisure.com/worlds-best/large-ocean-cruise-ships

https://travel.usnews.com/cruises/best-cruise-lines/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2018/03/27/readers-choice-best-cruise-2018-winners/33174853/

The Disney Dream did make NUMBER 8 on this list:
https://www.cruisecritic.com/memberreviews/cruiserschoice_index.cfm?Category=Overall
 
I do not agree that Disney is "considered the best cruise line on the waters." But I will say that two of the links PrincessTrisha listed are for luxury cruise lines, no way is Disney a luxury cruise line. But I agree with her pointing out that DCL is not in the top 5 on any list, even cruise critic. They are considered a mass market larger cruise line. They charge so much because they can. If people pay it, they will charge it.
 

And yet you linked US NEWS, but you choose a category that DCL doesn't compete in.
On the exact same site:
https://travel.usnews.com/cruises/disney-cruise-line-293/

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So DCL scored TOP in TWO categories - not just Families, but also in the Caribbean, and a perfect record for health.

Thank you for making my point for me again. DCL is rated one of the top cruise lines by many industry sources.
 
Hmmm. Interesting choices. IMHO you are comparing Apples to Oranges as every line you listed is actually NOT a competitor to DCL. They are small to mid sized ships, not Oceanliners. That's a horse of a different color. In fact, when DCL announced 2 new ships, the industry was debating if they intended to create river cruises and ships of small-mid category to compete with the very companies and industry you list.

However, for entertainment value:
Crystal - hardly cheaper than Disney. Kinda makes my point. Sure, there is more than one nice steakhouse in a city. The point remains that you pay more for a nice place than an applebees. Crystal's cruises are in many cases more expensive then DCL. They also have very small ships and are not really a serious competitor in the ocean liner category where DCL plays.

Seabourn - Also not generally my cup of tea. In fact, I really don't see them ever rated in the travel sites. I think they are generally more pacific ocean?

Viking - Viking is very nice and often gets good ratings, but they are not ocean liners. They compete in the range of small ships largely doing river cruises.

Azmara - They are the little sister to RCL, right? They do not compete with oceanliners as they are small ships with limited activities (RCL and Celebrity own the ocean liners).



For 2018, Disney scored Best for Families and Best in the Caribbean from US News.
They have scored #1 cruise lines several years from Business Insider.
Escape gives them 4.3 / 5 stars (the best rating for any cruise line)

In fact, they often hold the #1 or are in the top 5 for a number of categories including: Best Cruise line for Families (as you note), Best cruise line in the Caribbean (based on ratings, itineraries, activities, number of ports of call), Best Cruise Line for Entertainment and best for Cleanliness.

Regarding what your friend told you, I do not know about ships leaving from other ports of call. I just know that the ones out of Canaveral and Miami are usually very full. The others that I have been interested in out of other ports of call are often at a premium for space.

However, I also believe what my eyes tell me over that I may have heard from a friend or what someone else on a forum believes. Disney wouldn't make a profit sailing out of Galveston filling the ships with TA's. They would either move to another port, reduce their price or make other changes. Given that none of those things have happened and they have sailed out of that port for years, logic to me dictates that the ships are filling enough for it to be worthwhile. Or are you going to try to convince me that Disney enjoys losing money? Because as a stockholder, that bucket doesn't hold water. DCL continues to outperform the other divisions in Parks and Resorts including the international markets. Given that this is true, and it cannot be supported purely from the Fantasy and Dream in the Caribbean, logic dictates that these other ports of call are making their own turn of profit which again leads me to conclude that they will not likely be lowering the price in those ports.

Keep your opinion and I'll keep mine.
 
I have to disagree with you:

The "best for families" maybe... but in other Categories, they rarely make it to Top 5 (Crystal, Seabourn, Viking & Azamara usually take all the spots).

One of my friends was a TA (he unfortunately passed last year) and he told me that DCL cruises departing from San Juan, Galveston and NYC were not selling out and they were pretty much filling up the ships with TA's (I'm not giving out the price but he had 7 nights cruises in a verandah cabin for less than what I paid for a 3 nights in an inside cabin)...

And I agree with your disagreeing! Disney is the best for SOME families. It hasn't worked best for us for the last couple of years. So much is subjective but food has never been great, there are no "active" activities, and the pools are a nightmare! It may be perfect if you have very young children or your kids live in the kids'clubs. I love the mouse but it takes more than him and a split bathroom for us! And yes, the NYC cruises don't do as well as they should because they sail in the fall instead of the summer.

To the OP - have a wonderful time at Universal! We love Universal (my daughter LOVES roller coasters!). She has just gotten into HP and we'll be going to Universal (Japan) next year.
 
I will say though that this would be an awesome idea for their next set of ships -- river cruises. It would tie in nicely with ABD and would attract a whole new crowd. Granted, they can't put all the bells and whistles on these smaller and flatter boats, but what a great venture for them to branch off to and the ability to add whole new sets of itineraries!

Based on the info that the new ships will be similar in size to Fantasy/Dream, it doesn't seem like they'll have ANY bells and whistles. I don't consider a single slide on the current ships either a bell or a whistle!
 

Personally I would never consider Disney a luxury cruise line. Love seeing my favorites (Allure & Oasis and our upcoming Harmony) on the list! Not sure why Dream would beat out the Fantasy though. Very similar and a 7 night cruise is always better than a 3/4 night!
 
Yes I do think pricing has gotten crazy, but I think we just have to be a little patient. Once the new ships start launching for Disney, expect all the people currently paying $5000+ for a 4 night cruise to start booking the new ships. I know that seems like a long wait, especially if you have kids who want to go now, but I think the quality will be the same a few years down the road.
 

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