Can you all stand another vent.........

[Feralpeg]

Yes, thank you!

Why is it OKAY to leave before the time listed on the schedule/permission slip???

How can it be wrong for the OP to arrive with 3 minutes to spare... But it is OKAY for the troop to leave BEFORE the stated time??? Not one person who is blaming the OP for cutting it close (she was NOT late).... is even acknowledging the fact that the troup left BEFORE the stated scheduled time. That is just plain wrong.

There is a problem with the leadership in this troop.
The OP was NOT late.

To the OP, yes I do read a bit of negative attitude into your post. (Which I think is perfectly warranted, based on your experiences...) And, I DO understand... I do not always see eye-to-eye with the leaders of my son's scout troop. And, NO, I should not have to be these peoples 'friend' and a part of their clique, for my child to be treated appropriately and to participate in scouting. That is just ridiculous. (and the same goes for the appropriate treatment and respect shown towards the parent)

And, all of this crap about 'counting minutes' and 'sychronizing watches' when it comes to a children's activity is nothing less than a.r.... (yes, I did just say that....) Anybody who would be this way over 2 or three minutes has some serious issues.

I do agree with your views/feelings regarding the fact that they left your daughter behind. But, I did just want to say that while your anger and attitude may be very warranted and very understandable, that it might be (or might have been) a good idea to try to keep that attitude in check, and put on that social 'face' for your daughters benefit.

The point is that the OP might very well have been late. Just because her watch said she had three minutes to spare does not mean that the watch of the people they were meeting said the same thing. I'm saying that it was nice of the others to leave without trying to contact the OP, but she cut things way too close and her DD paid the price.

 

[luvmy3]

Even if by the leader's watch the OP was late, what kind of GS leader would disappoint a girl in her troop. What kind of leader would just assume she's not coming without calling. What kind of leader wouldn't give someone an extra couple of minutes just to be sure? I'll tell you, the kind that shouldn't be a leader.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Just because her watch said she had three minutes to spare does not mean that the watch of the people they were meeting said the same thing.

Again, trying to obsess over 2 or 3 minutes...

Who's watch may have been off???
Maybe the leaders watch was fast???
Why the assumption that it was the OP's watch?
Should the OP now be accountable for whatever time the leaders watch may have showed???
We could go on and on and on and make issues over these 'minutes' till kingdom come.

Just completely ridiculous....

NOTE: Most people are fully aware of whether their watches (if they wear one) are accurate.. Our cellphones display the correct time. If the OP is using her cellphone (which the troop leader does not seem to have been) she would know exactly what time it was.

 

[sha_lyn]

NOTE: Most people are fully aware of whether their watches (if they wear one) are accurate.. Our cellphones display the correct time. If the OP is using her cellphone (which the troop leader does not seem to have been) she would know exactly what time it was.

Why would one assume the leader didn't have the correct time, be it by cell phone or other means?
The OP already stated she had to go home before she could try to call the leader, so I certainly would not assume she was using a cell phone to check the time.

 

[BettyCv]

which post, which quote?

Your post #90. I couldn't figure out how to quote a quote...

 

[Wishing on a star]

I have never assumed that the leader had the incorrect time.

I simply pointed out that we are talking about a matter of a few minutes here, and why is it being assumed that the OP was late because SHE had the incorrect time. (which is what previous posters just did)

I pointed out the assumption that the OP may have been late is a ridiculous assumption.
I pointed out that the same assumption could be made about the leader's watch being off.

Ridiculous to obsess over this matter of 2 or 3 minutes at all.

Like I said... a.r.
Serious a.r. control issues.

If my son's scout leader left my son behind, just because we MAY have not been early enough... that would be the end of it. THAT is what is just plain wrong.

 

[phorsenuf]

Well, if it were me and the daughter was so upset at missing the trip I would have sucked up the less than an hour drive and brought her there to meet up with the others.
Whether the watches were off or not I think at this point is a moot. I would have done what needed to be done so as not to disappoint my child.

 

[Wishing on a star]

NOPE, at that point the last thing I would have done is risked driving an hour and back in the dark with my impaired night-vision so that I could leave my daughter in the care and supervision of adults who have shown a complete lack of any consideration for her.

I would never have considered that at all.
Not for one single second.

 

[Feralpeg]

My point being that if she had arrived earlier, it wouldn't have mattered whose watch was off, if any. People who arrive at the last moment may have to pay the consequences. Perhaps the leaders left early. It doesn't really matter unless they left 15 or 20 minutes early. If so, then I think the OP would have a case. Maybe they did. At this point, it doesn't really matter. It sounds like the OP wants no part of the troop and is looking for an excuse to bow out. Well, now she has one.

 

[luvmy3]

I wouldn't say that is an excuse to bow out, its more of a reason to. I can't believe how many people are missing the big picture. This is not about the OP being there on time or not(she may not have been early but she WAS on time), its about a young girl who missed a trip with her troop because her leader didn't seem to give a hoot about her. It a shame and that would never happen to one of my girls or any of the girls in any of the other troops from our school, our leaders don't work that way.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

A troop leader should not assume something based on word of mouth, especially coming from "the mouths of babes" and, if the pink eye or conjuctivitus episode was earlier in the week, doesn't everyone know by now (i.e. the adults) that you are no longer considered contagious if you have been taking antibiotics longer than 24 hours.
The behavior this leader exhibited was dispicable. Yes, I've been a leader, I am finally retiring as leader, having been in this position for 5 years. My DD is going to continue on as a Juliette, so I will still be involved.

I may not have really liked all the girls in my troop, but I never, never excluded any from any event. Although, one often chose not to come to events. (Even in 6th grade, her last year, she didn't like to be away from her mom. The other girls were very accepting of this one girl, I wouldn't have tolerated any inappropriate behavior - this is Girl Scouts afterall.)

What the leader did was so wrong on many levels.

I guess then I am the only adult in the free world who did not know this. I would not send my child if they had pink eye in the last 24 hours nor would I be thrilled if anyone else did either.

I think the whole situation stinks but truthfully- if they were leaving at 6:15 sharp then you need to get there earlier than that and not 2-3 minutes earlier. Perhaps there is an ongoing problem with lateness in this troop and they are tired of dealing with it. I know things happen, belieive me I do, but perhaps there are kids who are continually late and that is not fair to the people who make it their business to be on time. I think this whole thing was a miscommunications maybe. If it wasn't and the leader was a jerk then I would report them to the council. I feel bad for the kid but I would not want my child around people who were mean like that anyway.

 

[allison443]

if the pink eye or conjuctivitus episode was earlier in the week, doesn't everyone know by now (i.e. the adults) that you are no longer considered contagious if you have been taking antibiotics longer than 24 hours.

Honestly, I did not know this...I have three kids ages 11-21 and luckily none of us have ever had conjuctivitis.
I agree with everything else you stated in your post however!

 

[sha_lyn]

I guess then I am the only adult in the free world who did not know this. I would not send my child if they had pink eye in the last 24 hours nor would I be thrilled if anyone else did either.

I've always been told that it takes 48 hrs for antibiotics to take affect so that a bacterial infection isn't contagious. However, conjunctivitis is often viral therefore it can still contagious for many days even if antibiotics were prescribed.

 

[allison443]

I've always been told that it takes 48 hrs for antibiotics to take affect so that a bacterial infection isn't contagious. However, conjunctivitis is often viral therefore it can still contagious for many days even if antibiotics were prescribed.

Now you have confused me even more

 

[OceanAnnie]

To get back OT, the OP said her DD had conjunctivitis. That's not necessarily contagious. In the OP's DD's case it wasn't. The doctor said she was clear to go.

 

[sha_lyn]

Conjunctivitis refers to any inflammation of the conjunctiva.
It can be caused by many things including bacteria and viruses, both which would be contagious. It can also be caused by allergens, chemicals etc, which would not be contagious.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Conjunctivitis refers to any inflammation of the conjunctiva.
It can be caused by many things including bacteria and viruses, both which would be contagious. It can also be caused by allergens, chemicals etc, which would not be contagious.

Right. Just pointing out it was diagnosed by the doctor as not contagious per OP's first post.

 

[manning]

Again, trying to obsess over 2 or 3 minutes...

Who's watch may have been off???
Maybe the leaders watch was fast???
Why the assumption that it was the OP's watch?
Should the OP now be accountable for whatever time the leaders watch may have showed???
We could go on and on and on and make issues over these 'minutes' till kingdom come.

Just completely ridiculous....

NOTE: Most people are fully aware of whether their watches (if they wear one) are accurate.. Our cellphones display the correct time. If the OP is using her cellphone (which the troop leader does not seem to have been) she would know exactly what time it was.

When I posted I didn't say whose watch was off, only possibly A watch may have been off. Even both.

Of course mine is never off. I have one of those that synchronizes with the atomic clock in Denver everyday.

 

[golfgal]

The DIS clock is off by 19 minutes according to my computer clock and 23 minutes according to my watch.

 

[pyrxtc]

OP, I am curious, did you sign a permission slip for this overnight? Yes I did.Was it expected that your DD was attending the overnight? yes, she was expected. Did you pay a fee (if any) for your DD to attend the overnight? No fee, the troop was covering that.Was there the usual Girl Scout meeting earlier in the week confirming DD's attendance at the overnight?On Wednesday she was at the meeting and that is when I gave them our emergency contact info also and got a packing list.

If you answered YES to any or all of these questions; then I fully believe these Leaders were totally out of line in leaving.

And if you arrived at 6:12pm and they were planning on leaving at 6:15pm...going on a limb here, is there a chance all the scouts (except your DD) was called to arrive EARLIER than the 6:15pm arrival time? I cannot imagine a scout troop with a departure time of 6:15pm had everything packed up in driver's cars to head out BEFORE 6:12pm hence my thinking they left way before the 6:15pm scheduled time!

Sunday night at 9 pm and still no call back from the message left. I was upset on the phone, but no loud voice or names or anything. It was a very stern voice for sure but I make sure that I am never rude to them hence they take it out on my DD. I think I will place a phone call to council tomorrow.

As far as my DD leaving the troop, GS's here does not go further than the 5th grade for existing troops and this is the first troop locally that has made it this far. But it is down to the 5 girls from 15 two yrs ago.

I ddi not bring my cell, since I don't usually bring it locally and the drive was all of 3 minutes. and there were no missed calls on my house or cell phone. The girls were due back at 8:30 am today. Co-leader had over an hour during the drive that she could call me or could have called when they got there to let me know that they got my message and would talk to me later. I probably would have bit the bullet and drove my DD there myself but wasn't sure if I was allowed.

Yes it was pink eye and we let them know the it only has a 24 window to be contagious once mediaction is started and she was clear for Saturday night, even to swim. She had not been in school sicne the 24 hrs cleared about 11 am on Friday and had a follow up appt friday afternoon to make sure.

Maxiesmom, I never said "they " should have called. I said "they" should have answered "their" emergency cell number.

Plus we would have been earlier if not for the potty pit stop on the way out the door. I am not standoffish/hostile towards any of them but I do avoid having to be aroudn them as much as possible. DD's BF's mom knows about the issues and that is why she will drive. If leader needs to talk to me, I go and listen and do exactly as she asks and then I go. I don't stick around to chat with them like the other parents.

Thank you to all who read my vent. I vented more here on this board than I did on the phone message by far. I just can't believe that they don't even bother to call me backa nd explain what happened or to let me know if I can bring her donw. After tomorrow I'll never have to worry about it since my DD won't be doing it anymore. She has enough other things going on in her life that she can miss this and not even realize. 2 of the girls go to her school and one is her BFF. The other is a grade below and they also do cheerleading together. Scouts is not a big deal up here, it just helps fill the time.

I hope I ahve answered everyone's questions. I know I was cutting it close but when you gotta go, you gotta go. There were no toilets at the meeting place to use and all my DD had to do was step out of my van and into their truck. No slips, information, extra packing, nothing. bag fits in her lap if it needs to.