Can we talk about how bad FastPass+ is?

[DISNEYD14]

This is how our family used the paper FP system also. I agree that with FP+ we seemed to have to plan our day around those FP+s. With paper FP+s we used them AS we toured. With FP+ we had to used them to decide how we would tour.

Did anyone else not feel stressed with wondering if they would be done in Fantasyland and ready to move to Frontierland at the time that were picking their Splash FP+ weeks before entering the park??

*** I guess that is where we tour differently, as a family of 3 young ones we only tour each section of the park on different days **
I make Fantasyland an entire day with a little Tomorrow land and make Adventureland and Frontierland on another day so FP+ really works for us.

 

[WillAustin]

I thought you could reserve any FP+ you wanted after you used your first 3? No?

FP+s for headliners aren't available after you use your first 3 on even moderately busy days.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I think they were based on user updates, no?

They were for mousewait, not sure about touring plans. but we always found them to be accurate. They said when they were last updated, and generally it was within the last 5 mins or so. Close enough for us to gauge whether it was worth it to go over and get a fp.

If mobile magic listed return times also, which again I'm not sure of but I thought it did, then that would have been direct from Disney.

 

[Angel Ariel]

And you could reserve and make changes?

I think the bold is a significant improvement, especially from SAB.

I was specifically commenting on the viewing, as it is frequently said that wasn't possible with legacy and it was.

I've always agreed that being able to book and make changes on your phone is an improvement. I've never had an issue with that aspect of fp+.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

*** I guess that is where we tour differently, as a family of 3 young ones we only tour each section of the park on different days **
I make Fantasyland an entire day with a little Tomorrow land and make Adventureland and Frontierland on another day so FP+ really works for us.

Yes, we tour very different since we mostly only get to spend 1 day at MK. And I would hazard a guess that most people don't get to spend 4 days at MK touring each land on a different day. Wish we could spend 4 days in MK but we like to visit the other parks and only have a 7 day vacation. We generally only have 3 park days a year.

 

[OtherScott]

They were for mousewait, not sure about touring plans. but we always found them to be accurate. They said when they were last updated, and generally it was within the last 5 mins or so. Close enough for us to gauge whether it was worth it to go over and get a fp.

If mobile magic listed return times also, which again I'm not sure of but I thought it did, then that would have been direct from Disney.

I used touring plans "Lines" feature but found it more valuable as a predictor based on historical with times than on a real-time tool - and you still had to go over and pull the FP that might not be redeemable for hours

 

[OtherScott]

I was specifically commenting on the viewing, as it is frequently said that wasn't possible with legacy and it was.

I've always agreed that being able to book and make changes on your phone is an improvement. I've never had an issue with that aspect of fp+.

Most of us view these 2 features in the same context.

 

[AmyB2006]

Yes, there are long range readers on some rides (for photos), as has been mentioned in this thread. What other long range readers has Disney stated?

You said that Disney doesn't use Long Range readers. They've stated they are using them. I was just curious where you were getting the information that they aren't using them. That's all.

I couldn't care less if they do or don't, just curious.

Can we all agree that there is potential for them to track, in some way, at any time from this point forward,
(Today, Tomorrow, Next Week, Next Month, Next Season, Next Year...)
the long-range RFID chip in the MB?

LOL Please for the love of God, yes.

 

[AmyB2006]

Or they've tired of the condescending, rude, snarky and dismissive comments about what their motivation is for not liking FP+ and how entitled, spoiled, etc they are to expect their vacation to be what they want to do, not what Disney thinks they should do.

This thread is a perfect example.

Another valid possibility. Please don't take my comment as that everyone who disliked it before now loves it. I really was just throwing that out there as a possibility.

And to the rude condescending people, they don't deserve anyone's time or attention.

 

[maxiesmom]

FP+s for headliners aren't available after you use your first 3 on even moderately busy days.

So you can book them if they are available, correct? Which is pretty much what I used to run into with old FP. I have had many trips during moderately busy days where I couldn't get the FP I wanted, so no change there. I can work with that.

 

[kay1864]

You said that Disney doesn't use Long Range readers. They've stated they are using them.

I was just curious where you were getting the information that they aren't using them. That's all.

I couldn't care less if they do or don't, just curious.

I was speaking in the context of tracking MB guests' movements in the parks, since that was the topic of the posts I was replying to. And yes, as I've mentioned several times now, Disney is presently using long-range sensors for ride photos.

Still waiting on the question I asked you earlier:

What other long range readers has Disney stated?

 

[over50visits]

I've got extra tinfoil for my phone

(oh wait...)

That would be silly. I suspect most people don't mind that Disney is tracking their actions (data mining) for the customer management system they disclosed in their patent filing. A reasonable objection is that Disney is so secretive about it (vague mention buried in their website), and pretending the MBs are for our benefit. Of course they are not. The tiny NFC chip does exactly what cards did (and still do), the magic band is necessary for the tracking circuitry.

If you don't want to be tracked and data mined, just cut out the bump of the magic band, that has the tiny NFC chip and will do everything you need for your experience (just as the plastic tickets do now). I don't think tinfoil would be necessary, and probably unwieldy. And....you probably meant for your MB, not for your phone anyway.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

You can book headliners as a fourth if they are available, but what is being posted here is that they are generally not available. Which may have been the issue with FP- as well if you waited long enough to try and get a headliner FP.

 

[kay1864]

Originally Posted by kay1864
I've got extra tinfoil for my phone

(oh wait...)

That would be silly.

Hence my and "(oh wait...)"

I suspect most people don't mind that Disney is tracking their actions (data mining) for the customer management system they disclosed in their patent filing. A reasonable objection is that Disney is so secretive about it (vague mention buried in their website), and pretending the MBs are for our benefit. Of course they are not.

That's debatable. I actually like the convenience of not having to fish out my wallet or kecyard to pay for things. Does Disney know that might make me a little more likely to buy something? Of course they do.

It's also a benefit that I don't have to swipe (or retrieve) my keycard to get into my room, if my hands are full.

I don't think tinfoil would be necessary, and probably unwieldy. And....you probably meant for your MB, not for your phone anyway.

I'm playing it safe, and tinfoiling everything. Including my kids.

 

[phtktz3]

I felt the same way! We were able to sleep in once or twice without fear of missing out. And not being fast pass hoarders I felt relieved knowing the few we REALLY wanted each day were accounted for.

Same here. I LOVE the FP+ system. I make my selections and then if I want to change them I do it before I get in the park, I never find myself needing to use the app in the parks.
I love being able to sleep in the morning after one of the special event parties and not feel like I have to be rushing around to get to rides before the lines get too long.
As with everything....some will love it, some will hate it and some just don't care either way ( my DH)

 

[OtherScott]

I was speaking in the context of tracking MB guests' movements in the parks, since that was the topic of the posts I was replying to. And yes, as I've mentioned several times now, Disney is presently using long-range sensors for ride photos.

Still waiting on the question I asked you earlier:

What other long range readers has Disney stated?

already answered:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/frequency-technology/

Each MagicBand contains an HF Radio Frequency device and a transmitter which sends and receives RF signals through a small antenna inside the MagicBand and enables it to be detected at short-range touch points throughout Walt Disney World Resort. MagicBands can also be read by long-range readers located at Walt Disney World Resort used to deliver personalized experiences, as well as provide information that helps us improve the overall experience in our parks.

You think this is limited to taking your picture on a ride? Something they've done for decades?

 

[kay1864]

already answered:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/faq/my-disney-experience/frequency-technology/

Um, no..."located at Walt Disney World Resort" doesn't answer the question "What other long range sensors has Disney stated, other than on rides for photos?

You think this is limited to taking your picture on a ride?

Again, if you know of other long-range sensors in the parks, I'm all ears.

Something they've done for decades?

Um, no...detecting MB users on a ride via long-range sensors, and linking their picture to their PhotoPass/Memory Maker, is a recent innovation.

 

[OtherScott]

Um, no..."located at Walt Disney World Resort" doesn't answer the question "What other long range sensors has Disney stated, other than on rides for photos?

Again, if you know of other long-range sensors in the parks, I'm all ears.

Um, no...detecting MB users on a ride via long-range sensors, and linking their picture to their PhotoPass/Memory Maker, is a recent innovation.

Disney hasn't stated that there are "other" long range sensors (other that on rides for photos) because they haven't said "the long range sensors are for rides on photos" in the first place.

In fact, they say something much different than "the long range sensors are for photos on rides":

long-range readers located at Walt Disney World Resort used to deliver personalized experiences, as well as provide information that helps us improve the overall experience in our parks.

Have we missed some offering that Disney has said that its long range sensors are limited to ride photos, or is this just your assumption?

 

[AmyB2006]

I was speaking in the context of tracking MB guests' movements in the parks, since that was the topic of the posts I was replying to. And yes, as I've mentioned several times now, Disney is presently using long-range sensors for ride photos.

Ok, well this is what I was referring to....

You're assuming they do have long-range sensors. No one is saying they're not using the data they have. I'm sure they are running all kinds of metrics on FP frequencies, buying habits by resorts, buying habits by time of day, etc.

But at present, there aren't long-range sensors in the parks, and at present, Disney is not tracking MB guests' movements in the parks. If there were long-range sensors, it would be (and eventually will be) all over the DIS boards.

You didn't qualify that statement in this post with anything about photos.

Do you work for Disney? Again I'm just curious as to where you're getting your information from. First you said there are no long range sensors. Then you admit there are long range sensors but for ride photos only.

I highly doubt Disney put in place a system and have flat out said, of their own accord, that there are long range sensors in the parks, if there aren't any except on rides for photos. Why wouldn't they put the long range sensors in place with the intent of using them in the future?

So again, I'm curious where you're getting information that there are no long range sensors in the parks, except for on rides for photos?

 

[agavegirl1]

On another Disney site, a member posted pictures of RFID readers mounted on the ceilings in the new shops at DTD. If you google "long range RFID readers", you will see they come in all different shapes and sizes and can be easily hidden in the architecture. I have not been yet but I will look for them. I do not for a minute believe they are only being used for ride photos.