Can we share 4 day park hoppers?
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All of you talking about lying and stealing are blowing my mind.
For someone to Give away unused days on a park-hopper is a wonderful act of generosity, not a criminal act. That should be obvious to anyone.
Disney's policy is in place to discourage people from buying a 7-day pass when they intend to use 3 days and sell the rest to save money. That's dishonest. Disney also doesn't want to see people scammed by buying tickets that they think have a certain number of days on them, only to find out otherwise when they get to WDW.
For someone to Give away unused days on a park-hopper is a wonderful act of generosity, not a criminal act. That should be obvious to anyone.
Disney's policy is in place to discourage people from buying a 7-day pass when they intend to use 3 days and sell the rest to save money. That's dishonest. Disney also doesn't want to see people scammed by buying tickets that they think have a certain number of days on them, only to find out otherwise when they get to WDW.
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I haven't had the time to read every post on this topic so if this is repeated please forgive me. This is my take on the ticket situation. It belongs to me, I paid for it and if I want to give it to someone else to use or throw it away it really isn't any of WDW's business. They, of course, like to discourage you from doing that because they lose an ADDITIONAL sale but the fact remains that the pass is only good for one person and it is paid for. In reality, Disney loses nothing in the process.
They only hope that I will forget I have time on the passes and buy a new one, otherwise they receive the same revenue regardless. If I let someone else use it, the next time I go I have to buy a new one and at a probable higher cost then the old one. I understand Disneys position but it is neither legal or ethical to tell someone that what they paid for isn't theirs to do with as they please. They use that wording to get those people who never have taken the tag off their mattress to fall in line. It's a lot of words that means nothing. The tickets are not connected to any name so don't worry. The whole thing started back when it was big business to sell partial tickets at those roadside stands near WDW. During those days the tickets were stamped with the date they were used. Now it is electronic so it is impossible to verify that it has one, two or three days, etc. remaining.
If it can't be understood that way, then try this. How would you be able to buy a gift pass for someone. It's the same thing, isn't it? You pay for it, someone else uses it. Nuff said!
They only hope that I will forget I have time on the passes and buy a new one, otherwise they receive the same revenue regardless. If I let someone else use it, the next time I go I have to buy a new one and at a probable higher cost then the old one. I understand Disneys position but it is neither legal or ethical to tell someone that what they paid for isn't theirs to do with as they please. They use that wording to get those people who never have taken the tag off their mattress to fall in line. It's a lot of words that means nothing. The tickets are not connected to any name so don't worry. The whole thing started back when it was big business to sell partial tickets at those roadside stands near WDW. During those days the tickets were stamped with the date they were used. Now it is electronic so it is impossible to verify that it has one, two or three days, etc. remaining.
If it can't be understood that way, then try this. How would you be able to buy a gift pass for someone. It's the same thing, isn't it? You pay for it, someone else uses it. Nuff said!
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Yes Disney can tell people what they can and can not do with disney tickets. It is legal for them to do so, it is their business, and no one is forced to do business with them. What isn't legal is to break the law by breaking a policy that WDW has clearly stated on the back of every ticket. As I said before it is theft by deception (by "pretending" to be the person who origionally used the ticket) and possibly theft of services.
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Here is a question and answer that I found from Deb's Unoffical WDW Guide that will help.
Question:
Not that I would ever think of doing this but, what stops two people from sharing a multi-day pass? I heard something about finger printing, but when I was there last year, I don't remember anyone getting their fingers scanned. In fact, the gate people barely glanced at our tickets.
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You are right, finger scanning is only used for Annual and Seasonal Passports and selected multiday tickets sold internationally. Walt Disney World has never really been *that* concerned about the use of tickets by different individuals per se. What they have always been against was the *selling* of partially used tickets to other individuals.
In most cases you would only give tickets to your family, relatives, or close friends. But selling a already used ticket could involve many different folks. And these folks started making a big business out of it. The law that the State of Florida passed to help Disney (and it only affected Disney at the time the law was written) makes it illegal to *sell* partially used tickets to another individual. The law itself doesn't say anything about the *use* of the ticket by another individual.
The new magnetic strip tickets help prevent this sale. Nobody can just look at the ticket and say there are so many days left. Only WDW's computer system can tell you how many days are left. So most people wouldn't even consider buying an already used ticket that they don't know how many days are left. And that is really what WDW wants to stop.
Question:
Not that I would ever think of doing this but, what stops two people from sharing a multi-day pass? I heard something about finger printing, but when I was there last year, I don't remember anyone getting their fingers scanned. In fact, the gate people barely glanced at our tickets.
Answer:
You are right, finger scanning is only used for Annual and Seasonal Passports and selected multiday tickets sold internationally. Walt Disney World has never really been *that* concerned about the use of tickets by different individuals per se. What they have always been against was the *selling* of partially used tickets to other individuals.
In most cases you would only give tickets to your family, relatives, or close friends. But selling a already used ticket could involve many different folks. And these folks started making a big business out of it. The law that the State of Florida passed to help Disney (and it only affected Disney at the time the law was written) makes it illegal to *sell* partially used tickets to another individual. The law itself doesn't say anything about the *use* of the ticket by another individual.
The new magnetic strip tickets help prevent this sale. Nobody can just look at the ticket and say there are so many days left. Only WDW's computer system can tell you how many days are left. So most people wouldn't even consider buying an already used ticket that they don't know how many days are left. And that is really what WDW wants to stop.
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Deb's Unoffical WDW Guide is correct. Selling a multi-day ticket that has already been used at least once is a misdemeanor in the state of Florida. The relevant section is reprinted below in its entirety:
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<b>Florida Statutes <br>
817.361. Resale of multiday or multievent ticket</b>
Whoever offers for sale, sells, or transfers in connection with a commercial transaction, with or without consideration, any nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium designed for admission to more than one amusement location or other facility offering entertainment to the general public, or for admission for more than 1 day thereto, after said ticket or other medium has been used at least once for admission, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium is one on which is clearly printed the phrase: "Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on all days" or words of similar import. Upon conviction for a second or subsequent violation of this subsection, such person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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Now that makes it clear you can't re-sell a used multi-day pass. Can you give one away? That depends. If it's in a "commercial transaction", then it's irrelevant that you gave it away for free. Is giving a used pass to mom or dad a "commercial transaction"? Probably not. This particular statute has been around since 1988, but the term "commercial transaction" has never been interpreted by a court. Still, the language of the statute seems to clearly target those who deal in such used tickets for profitable reasons. So, in my opinion, it's legal to give your tickets away, so long as there's no hint of profit or commerce - in other words, it's truly a gift, not motivated for any business purpose [FYI, since I'm not licensed in the state of Florida, don't take this as legal advice please!].
Npw, my own personal thought on the morality of such a practice is that Disney is getting exactly what it bargained for: $200 today (or whatever the current price is) in exchange the right for one guest to be admitted to its parks on four days at any time in the future. Substituting my mom for me, or vice versa, is an economically uninteresting event. Nothing has changed on either side of the equation.
If this is truly a trivial economic event, then why is Disney so concerned about the transferabillity of its passes? Well, when someone buys a four-day park hopper and only uses two days, then Disney has a windfall. Disney took in your $200, but only needed to sink $100 into the park to keep it running. However, this is really a phantom windfall, for several reasons. First, those unused days never expire! It's only if I plan to visit WDW two days out of my whole life, and leave two days unused, that Disney sees any bonus. Since the vast, vast majority of park visitors will eventually use up all of their days within some commercially reasonable timeframe (say 2 years), this is of little or no benefit to Disney. Second, Disney doesn't know at the time of purchase that I'm only going to use two days, and waste the other two. Disney still has to keep its parks up and running as if every ticket holder was going to use their admission media to the fullest. Third, this simply isn't how Disney manages its parks. Disney doesn't count up the number of passes it sells, figure out how many guest-days it needs to provide service for, and then spend its money accordingly. The parks are always open, and Disney never knows how many people are going to show up. It's impossible to break down the cost of operating a park to the per capita/per day level. For these reason, Disney really can't use this windfall (or for that matter, even know of its existence).
What's the real reason then? I'll bet it's the corporate mindset. Disney saw people turning a profit selling Disney stuff, and they weren't getting a cut. Legitimate ticket resellers (by that I mean those who sell used passes and truthfully represent how many days are left on those passes) were making money on Disney's investment in the parks.
Now one could argue that Disney needs to control the re-selling because some people were getting ripped off, buying what they were told was a four-day hopper with two days left on it, only to find out at the turnstiles that it had zero days left. This would tend to make people upset with Disney for allowing such a thing to happen (along with the unscrupulous re-seller). But guess what, there's already a law out there that would criminalize such fraudulent activity. Disney didn't need this new law to allow Florida police to arrest sleazy re-sellers.
Given that Disney suffers no economic loss when you give your pass to a family member or friend, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Of course, just because I don't have a problem with it, doesn't mean others won't. And of course, I'd probably be leery to try such a thing out, knowing that the pass could be confiscated if Disney ever found out that I wasn't the original purchaser.
Whew! I think I have too much time on my hands.
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<b>Florida Statutes <br>
817.361. Resale of multiday or multievent ticket</b>
Whoever offers for sale, sells, or transfers in connection with a commercial transaction, with or without consideration, any nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium designed for admission to more than one amusement location or other facility offering entertainment to the general public, or for admission for more than 1 day thereto, after said ticket or other medium has been used at least once for admission, is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. A nontransferable ticket or other nontransferable medium is one on which is clearly printed the phrase: "Nontransferable; must be used by the same person on all days" or words of similar import. Upon conviction for a second or subsequent violation of this subsection, such person is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
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Now that makes it clear you can't re-sell a used multi-day pass. Can you give one away? That depends. If it's in a "commercial transaction", then it's irrelevant that you gave it away for free. Is giving a used pass to mom or dad a "commercial transaction"? Probably not. This particular statute has been around since 1988, but the term "commercial transaction" has never been interpreted by a court. Still, the language of the statute seems to clearly target those who deal in such used tickets for profitable reasons. So, in my opinion, it's legal to give your tickets away, so long as there's no hint of profit or commerce - in other words, it's truly a gift, not motivated for any business purpose [FYI, since I'm not licensed in the state of Florida, don't take this as legal advice please!].
Npw, my own personal thought on the morality of such a practice is that Disney is getting exactly what it bargained for: $200 today (or whatever the current price is) in exchange the right for one guest to be admitted to its parks on four days at any time in the future. Substituting my mom for me, or vice versa, is an economically uninteresting event. Nothing has changed on either side of the equation.
If this is truly a trivial economic event, then why is Disney so concerned about the transferabillity of its passes? Well, when someone buys a four-day park hopper and only uses two days, then Disney has a windfall. Disney took in your $200, but only needed to sink $100 into the park to keep it running. However, this is really a phantom windfall, for several reasons. First, those unused days never expire! It's only if I plan to visit WDW two days out of my whole life, and leave two days unused, that Disney sees any bonus. Since the vast, vast majority of park visitors will eventually use up all of their days within some commercially reasonable timeframe (say 2 years), this is of little or no benefit to Disney. Second, Disney doesn't know at the time of purchase that I'm only going to use two days, and waste the other two. Disney still has to keep its parks up and running as if every ticket holder was going to use their admission media to the fullest. Third, this simply isn't how Disney manages its parks. Disney doesn't count up the number of passes it sells, figure out how many guest-days it needs to provide service for, and then spend its money accordingly. The parks are always open, and Disney never knows how many people are going to show up. It's impossible to break down the cost of operating a park to the per capita/per day level. For these reason, Disney really can't use this windfall (or for that matter, even know of its existence).
What's the real reason then? I'll bet it's the corporate mindset. Disney saw people turning a profit selling Disney stuff, and they weren't getting a cut. Legitimate ticket resellers (by that I mean those who sell used passes and truthfully represent how many days are left on those passes) were making money on Disney's investment in the parks.
Now one could argue that Disney needs to control the re-selling because some people were getting ripped off, buying what they were told was a four-day hopper with two days left on it, only to find out at the turnstiles that it had zero days left. This would tend to make people upset with Disney for allowing such a thing to happen (along with the unscrupulous re-seller). But guess what, there's already a law out there that would criminalize such fraudulent activity. Disney didn't need this new law to allow Florida police to arrest sleazy re-sellers.
Given that Disney suffers no economic loss when you give your pass to a family member or friend, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Of course, just because I don't have a problem with it, doesn't mean others won't. And of course, I'd probably be leery to try such a thing out, knowing that the pass could be confiscated if Disney ever found out that I wasn't the original purchaser.
Whew! I think I have too much time on my hands.
This has been debated to death, I think we can divide the posters right down the middle. Those of us who believe that it is wrong for more than one person to use a multiday pass,because it says so right on the ticket in plain English, and those who believe that its ok to ignore the policy because Disney is a big company and wont miss the money. (and they do lose money, and a lot of it. If you take the two day passes, you will not buy two 4 day hoppers at a cost of $400. You cannot compare this to the opera or a baseball game because there are a finite number of tickets and performances/games.) Its simple business 101, CASH FLOW, $400 now is worth a lot more than $400 later or never.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE!!!!!!
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO AGREE TO DISAGREE!!!!!!
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This is crazy, but heres my 2 cents.
First of this is a disney rule, not a law. I agree with selling it is illegal, but using it is not. It may be against these rules, but not against the law.
Yes but that is comparing apples to oranges. If I wanted to go just 2 days I would get 2 one day tickets, not 2 4 day tickets, and maybe thats the problem.Your comparing 4 days to 8 days.
My aunt was in Florida for a conference and had the weekend off, she wanted to at least visit each park 1 time during those 2 days. She ended up buying 2 one day tickets and just visiting MK and Epcot. Maybe disney needs to offer a 1 or 2 day hopper pass, and people would have less days left over. Or maybe thats why they dont.
First of this is a disney rule, not a law. I agree with selling it is illegal, but using it is not. It may be against these rules, but not against the law.
Yes but that is comparing apples to oranges. If I wanted to go just 2 days I would get 2 one day tickets, not 2 4 day tickets, and maybe thats the problem.Your comparing 4 days to 8 days.
My aunt was in Florida for a conference and had the weekend off, she wanted to at least visit each park 1 time during those 2 days. She ended up buying 2 one day tickets and just visiting MK and Epcot. Maybe disney needs to offer a 1 or 2 day hopper pass, and people would have less days left over. Or maybe thats why they dont.
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Wow, MacDalton! You really struck a nerve with THIS question!
It appears that that *non-transferable* falls into a legal and moral gray area, and we have to respect each others choices on how we, as individuals, elect to handle that!
I think Golter hit it on the head, with "We'll have to agree to disagree on this one"!
It appears that that *non-transferable* falls into a legal and moral gray area, and we have to respect each others choices on how we, as individuals, elect to handle that!
I think Golter hit it on the head, with "We'll have to agree to disagree on this one"!
I work in the admissions department for LEGOLAND Califonia, and it is extremely common for guest to buy 2 day passes and use one day, and then give the other day to someone else. We would much rather have someone in the park buying concessions, gifts, etc. than having the ticket go unused - regardless of who bought it. (btw, our tickets also state they are non-transferrable - just a legalistic thing, to prevent people or companies from re-selling the tickets after they have been used)
As long as unsused days are not being sold, I am certain that Disney can care less who is using the Park Hopper passes as long as guests are coming in the park spending money. If it were an issue for them , they could very easily stop the practice, as they do with the Annual Passes, by placing names on the passes or using the fingerprint technology.
You have every right to give your pass to whoever you want as long as you are not charging them.
I only post this to say that calling someone a liar, cheater, or stealer is a bit harsh.
As long as unsused days are not being sold, I am certain that Disney can care less who is using the Park Hopper passes as long as guests are coming in the park spending money. If it were an issue for them , they could very easily stop the practice, as they do with the Annual Passes, by placing names on the passes or using the fingerprint technology.
You have every right to give your pass to whoever you want as long as you are not charging them.
I only post this to say that calling someone a liar, cheater, or stealer is a bit harsh.
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I too agree that using those names is harsh, considering that there is no cheating or stealing going on, and the person is not lying because they are not stating that they are the original purchaser of the tickets. Those people who give them away free for a timeshare program buy Disney tickets and give them away to people who look at their timeshare. They are 'transferring' the tickets and bought them with the intention to do so. Is this illegal? I don't think it is because then people wouldn't advertise that you can get free tickets by listening to their timeshare because they'd be shut down and arrested.
People, like MacDalton's coworker, who buy 4 day passes because it's the only way you can park hop (unless you get an UPH, but only if you are staying onsite, which he might not be doing) do not buy the passes with the intention of giving them to others later. Yes, maybe some people do, and if so I'd like to be in their family because no one in mine can afford to buy a 7 day hopper pass knowing that they can only go to parks for 4 days and plan to give me their remaining 3 days. And even if they could, most people wouldn't do this since PHPs are a very expensive gift. For a family of 4, ages 10 and up, giving away 2 days on a hopper pass would be about $400, which is a large amount of money. So those who do give away days most likely do it because they know that they will not get to use the days again for a very long time, if ever. If they know their friend or relative is going to WDW then maybe they think it's just better to give them the tickets than hold onto them for 10 years and risk losing them, therefore wasting the $400.
"Quote: Maybe disney needs to offer a 1 or 2 day hopper pass, and people would have less days left over. Or maybe thats why they dont.
That's exactly why they dont, and it is against the law. It's theft by deception."
This I do not understand, Golter. You say that's exactly why they don't make shorter hopper passes, but I don't see your reasoning. Do you mean that they don't so that people are forced to buy longer passes and waste their money knowing that they will only be there for 2 days? If so, I don't think that's such a great policy for Disney to have if they want to cater to all guests, since not everyone can go for 4 days.
I also agree with ShaneV on your comment about "(and they do lose money, and a lot of it. If you take the two day passes, you will not buy two 4 day hoppers at a cost of $400." I would not buy a 4 day hopper if I were only going for 2 days, I would get 2 days tickets. And if the original person had bought 2 days tickets instead of the 4 day pass and I also bought 2 day tickets then Disney is inthe same situation, 4 days worth of passes being used for 4 days.
And yes, I realize that people say buying a 4 day pass gives you a slight discount on each day, has anyone looked at what that difference is? It is $49.75/day with a 4 day PH compared to $50 for a single ticket. (Those prices are without tax and buying them at the gate without any discounts.) Now if I were to buy a single ticket and then buy the 2nd day with the 'bounce back' option, I would be paying less per day than I would if I bought the 4 day hopper. So buy one person buying a 4 day hopper pass and giving the remaining 2 days to another person, Disney has actually made more money, not lost money, than if both people separately bought 2 days tickets.
People, like MacDalton's coworker, who buy 4 day passes because it's the only way you can park hop (unless you get an UPH, but only if you are staying onsite, which he might not be doing) do not buy the passes with the intention of giving them to others later. Yes, maybe some people do, and if so I'd like to be in their family because no one in mine can afford to buy a 7 day hopper pass knowing that they can only go to parks for 4 days and plan to give me their remaining 3 days. And even if they could, most people wouldn't do this since PHPs are a very expensive gift. For a family of 4, ages 10 and up, giving away 2 days on a hopper pass would be about $400, which is a large amount of money. So those who do give away days most likely do it because they know that they will not get to use the days again for a very long time, if ever. If they know their friend or relative is going to WDW then maybe they think it's just better to give them the tickets than hold onto them for 10 years and risk losing them, therefore wasting the $400.
"Quote: Maybe disney needs to offer a 1 or 2 day hopper pass, and people would have less days left over. Or maybe thats why they dont.
That's exactly why they dont, and it is against the law. It's theft by deception."
This I do not understand, Golter. You say that's exactly why they don't make shorter hopper passes, but I don't see your reasoning. Do you mean that they don't so that people are forced to buy longer passes and waste their money knowing that they will only be there for 2 days? If so, I don't think that's such a great policy for Disney to have if they want to cater to all guests, since not everyone can go for 4 days.
I also agree with ShaneV on your comment about "(and they do lose money, and a lot of it. If you take the two day passes, you will not buy two 4 day hoppers at a cost of $400." I would not buy a 4 day hopper if I were only going for 2 days, I would get 2 days tickets. And if the original person had bought 2 days tickets instead of the 4 day pass and I also bought 2 day tickets then Disney is inthe same situation, 4 days worth of passes being used for 4 days.
And yes, I realize that people say buying a 4 day pass gives you a slight discount on each day, has anyone looked at what that difference is? It is $49.75/day with a 4 day PH compared to $50 for a single ticket. (Those prices are without tax and buying them at the gate without any discounts.) Now if I were to buy a single ticket and then buy the 2nd day with the 'bounce back' option, I would be paying less per day than I would if I bought the 4 day hopper. So buy one person buying a 4 day hopper pass and giving the remaining 2 days to another person, Disney has actually made more money, not lost money, than if both people separately bought 2 days tickets.
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Do you really not understand the differnence between a particially used ticket and an unused ticket. It is not illegal to giave away an unused ticket. It it is against WDW policies for someone other than the first person to use a ticket to use the ticket. It is very likely that laws for Theft by deception apply because you are representing yourself to be the person who orgionally used the ticket. Wether it is said verbally or not does not matter, it is the fact that you are representing yourself to be the origional user of the ticket that matters. It is against the law to sell a particially used ticket. Anyone purchasing an particially used ticket is engaging in an illegal transaction. The law also states the tranferring of a ticket in a comerical transacion is illegal. This is a grey area I would imagine. Would a boss giving a particially used ticket be considered a comercial transaction? It is possible. Would giving a partically used ticket to a realitive be considered a comercial transaction, probably not. So while not illegal, it is however against WDW policy. As stated before WDW policy is very clear. Tickets are nontransferrable and must be used by the same perosn on all visits.
AS for calling anyone names. Who did that?
I did say I wouldn't use use someone else's ticket because I do not lie cheat or steal. I didn't call anyone a name.
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"The law also states the tranferring of a ticket in a comerical transacion is illegal."
Those timeshare presentations are commercial transactions and the tickets are bought with the sole intention of being distributed for a commercial purpose. But this should not be illegal, yet giving a friend remaining days, that you bought for your own use, not with the intention of giving them to others, is illegal? I hardly think that this makes any sense. Also, the OP said the ticket was from a "guy my DH works with", not a boss, so is this still a commercial transaction? I doubt even if it were a boss that it would be considered a commercial transaction--commercial transactions are referring to people who sell unused days to others, like ticket scalpers. But like I said before, Disney is making more of a profit if someone buys a 4 day hopper, using 2 days and giving the other 2 to a friend, than if the 2 people bought 2 day tickets separately so I really don't think they'd mind since they are coming out ahead.
Those timeshare presentations are commercial transactions and the tickets are bought with the sole intention of being distributed for a commercial purpose. But this should not be illegal, yet giving a friend remaining days, that you bought for your own use, not with the intention of giving them to others, is illegal? I hardly think that this makes any sense. Also, the OP said the ticket was from a "guy my DH works with", not a boss, so is this still a commercial transaction? I doubt even if it were a boss that it would be considered a commercial transaction--commercial transactions are referring to people who sell unused days to others, like ticket scalpers. But like I said before, Disney is making more of a profit if someone buys a 4 day hopper, using 2 days and giving the other 2 to a friend, than if the 2 people bought 2 day tickets separately so I really don't think they'd mind since they are coming out ahead.
The entire issue has nothing to do with timeshare companies giving away unused tickets or whether or not it's a commercial transaction. You can buy all the passes you want and give away fully unused tickets. The problem arises when MORE THAN ONE PERSON USES A HOPPER PASS, THE SAME PERSON MUST USE ALL THE DAYS...
And addressing the issue of not selling 1 or 2 day hopper passes, If you want to visit WDW for only 2 days you have to buy 2 single day tickets you will not be able to park "hop". That privelage is for holder of tickets of 4 or more days or length of stay passes for onsite guests. I would love to buy a short term hopper, but Disney knows that if I can only use 2 days, I will be back or I just paid twice the price for the 2 days. It's their marketing strategy and it works.
And addressing the issue of not selling 1 or 2 day hopper passes, If you want to visit WDW for only 2 days you have to buy 2 single day tickets you will not be able to park "hop". That privelage is for holder of tickets of 4 or more days or length of stay passes for onsite guests. I would love to buy a short term hopper, but Disney knows that if I can only use 2 days, I will be back or I just paid twice the price for the 2 days. It's their marketing strategy and it works.
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"Disney knows that if I can only use 2 days, I will be back or I just paid twice the price for the 2 days."
Or, like MacDalton's coworker, you'll offer to give the tickets to someone else.
"It's their marketing strategy and it works."
Their strategy is ultimately to make the most profit that they can. Since this is done by 2 people sharing a 4 day pass, I highly doubt they would object to it if they saw it in practice.
Or, like MacDalton's coworker, you'll offer to give the tickets to someone else.
"It's their marketing strategy and it works."
Their strategy is ultimately to make the most profit that they can. Since this is done by 2 people sharing a 4 day pass, I highly doubt they would object to it if they saw it in practice.
No, Disney's ulitmate profit comes when McDalton buys either two single day passes or a park hopper. Then Mcdalton's coworker will plan another trip because he has left over days and if McDalton buys park hopper and uses only 2 days they will plan another trip.
So Disney has McDalton and his coworker taking 3 trips not one.
So Disney has McDalton and his coworker taking 3 trips not one.
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