Can we share 4 day park hoppers?

[etwinchester]

I would say the decision is yours alone to make. It is very nice of your coworker to offer his days. It's just a matter of "non-transferrable" bugging you. There are plenty people who do it and don't do it. They have no way of knowing who originally used the pass. I wouldn't exchange money for it. To me, that is what Disney would be implying.

Myself, I would never leave any unused days on a pass and buy a new one. That is just a waste of money. I'd use the remaining days and buy a new pass for more days, if needed. The parks are around $50 a person and that money could be spent for a nice dinner or something special for my child. Wasting money is not something I would do...

 

[sncbird]

I don't consider this lying, stealing or cheating either. The tickets were paid for and they are to be used for a certain amount of days. When we go through the turn styles and they run our passes through I don't make sure I use the same one everytime and dh uses the same one everytime. But according to some of you, I guess we should. Also, I believe on the back of our MVMCP tickets Disney had on there - NO REFUNDS. Guess what, we were washed out and got a refund which we were very thankful for. Meaning, Disney doesn't always stick to their own rules. I highly doubt Disney would be able to figure out you were given these tickets by tickets and confiscate them. They've already made their money on the tickets and will make even more money by these people spending money in the parks on food, gifts etc...

 

[Golter]

I do consider it lying, cheating, and stealing. The Passes state:

Nontransferable: must be used by the same person on any and all days.

Its like kinda being pregnant, you either are or you are not. If the passes are used by more than one person it is against the law.

This is not debatable.

Do people do it any way, yes. Does that make those of us that dont, in some way better, no. We are all imperfect.

Buy your own passes and feel good about it. Integrity is doing the right thing even if no one is watching.

 

[etwinchester]

There are many things that are against the law that are done everyday. I'm not in anyway saying that they are right.

Going 1 mile over the speed limit is against the law and everyone has done it one time or another. I'm not one who speeds but I've caught myself not realizing how fast I'm going from time to time. Some people don't wear their seat belts either and that's against the law now. There are many things that you shouldn't technically do. It's a matter of principle and what you are willing to do.

Again, it is your decision to make. Don't let anyone in this thread spoil the MAGICAL part of planning your trip.

In your situation, I don't know honestly what I would do. One NEVER really knows until they are ACTUALLY faced with that decision...

Anyway, have a great vacation and enjoy the days at WDW.

 

[disme]

Use the tickets

As long as you do not buy them from someone who is not Disney.
and as long as the tickets are valid it is fine for some one else to use them.



Our comp tickets say not transferable but are ment to be used by family and friends, we just cannot SELL them or barther them for items of value.

This is not stealing as long as the tickets came from a valid sorce.

 

[discrazyGarcias]

Originally posted by MacDalton
A guy my DH works with offered to give him his passes which have 2 days left on them. Can we use them? They have already been paid for and this guy is using 2 of the days. Are they transferrable? Do they have someone's name printed on them? Any info would be helpful! Thanks!

I just went yesterday to TDS to buy our 5 day hopper & they didn't ask for any personal info so I would imagine that you could it it with no problem as long as it's not the same day as your dh's coworker

 

[2vets]

I will come right out and admit it - I let a friend purchase a day on my husband's parkhopper pass during my last trip to WDW. We had no problems using it at all.

Please don't judge me...

 

[justhat]

A lot of people on this thread say that it's wrong to use someone else's pass instead of buying your own, but I wonder what they would actually do if they were in that situation. I know they will all say they'd still buy their own, but I'm not so sure everyone who says that now would actually end up doing that if they were in this situation. Not too many people would pass up the opportunity to go to WDW free for 2 days, as much as many would like to think they would. And if she does pay the coworker for the tickets, then she still paid for tickets, just not directly to Disney, since the coworker paid Disney when he bought them for 4 days. Does it really matter who uses the passes since they were paid for? It's not like she asked if she could hold up a Disney Store and steal passes, the passes were paid for. Either way the passes are good for 4 days so why not get 4 days use out of them. If the person who first used them can't go back and he chooses to give them to someone else, then that's his decision. i could understand getting angry if someone is trying to get into WDW for free, but not with passes that have been paid for.

If Disney really cared about people sharing PHPs then they would make them like an AP where you do a finger scan. I don't think they'd ever do that with a PHP, however, since it is to their benefit to have people in the parks buying food, souvenirs, etc. and the pass is only good for so many days. With an AP, though, they could potentially lose money if one person buys a pass and then lets everyone they know use it for an entire year, which is why they do the finger scan for APs and not PHPs.

Also, disneyfantotheend, I wish I had that luxury of being able to waste $50 on unused PHP days and just buy a new one! I need to use every day I pay for since $50 means missing out on that sweatshirt I really want, a nice sit-down meal, or the many other things I spend my money on at WDW.

 

[AKASnowWhite]

Originally posted by justhat
If Disney really cared about people sharing PHPs then they would make them like an AP where you do a finger scan.

I have to agree with this. Saying that the tickets are "Non-Transferable" is, IMO, Disney's way of attempting to *guilt* people into spending more money at their establishment. If Disney can get you to spend that extra day or two in the parks and fully use your tickets on your initial vacation, they get more of your money. If Disney can entice you to take ANOTHER vacation there to use up your left-over days on the passes, they get more of your money.

And now, if Disney can make you feel guilty about using someone elses unused days, and you buy your own passes, not only does Disney get *paid* for unused ticekts, they get now get YOUR money too.

I've never been offered unused days on passes, but I HAVE been on the *offering* end. We went to DL in November, and had 5 tickets (3 adult, 2 child) that each had 1 day left on them. We gave them to relatives in Pasadena, so that if they could manage a trip in the next 2 weeks (DL passes expire 2 weeks after 1st use) all they'd have to pay for was parking. Did I feel guilty? NO WAY! Envious maybe, but certainly not guilty. We bought and paid for the tickets. They belonged to us. They were, IMO, ours to do with what we chose.

 

[ivanova]

I have park hoppers we purchased around 4 years ago - I have no clue which belonged to who - if questionned I could not tell you where I bought them or when, and at best it would be guesswork as to being able to tell you when I used it.

And what happens if we had several PHPs with left over days, and one of the original users passes away? Toss the PHP? That's like throwing away Disney Dollars ... most of us can't afford to do that. The PHP would end up getting used by someone else.

As for the NONTRANSFERABLE wording let's be realistic - this is legal jargon that Disney can use (and will) to come down on someone like a ton of bricks if they are caught SELLING partially used tickets (i.e. on ebay). It also protects Disney in the event that you get a bogus PHP (i.e. one that really doesn't have any days left on it); since it wasn't transferable in the first place, they can just shrug their shoulders and do nothing to compensate you for your lose (not their fault). Ultimately, I think the wording is there to protect Disney, not punish you.

 

[disneyfantotheend]

I would like the luxury of going to Disney three times a year like many do too. However, I wouldn't put down those who do. I merely do not use my unused days, because I don't know exactly what I have on them and like to pre plan everything. I save for our trips for three years and anymore we do ultimate passes, which means we couldn't use the unused day anyway. But why do I explain this to people who don't even know eachother, but still tend to judge them. I was simply giving my opinion of what I would do as you all did.

 

[kevind65]

The official stance of Disney is that the tickets are totally nontransferrable. not even between family members. ok, fine.

According to this policy, technically, using the passes would not be allowed.

That said; all this talk about "lying, cheating, stealing" and "against the law" is a little over the top. I am not a lawyer, but, I don't think there is any "law" that prevents you from giving tickets to someone if you desire. If there are any lawyers out there that know for sure, please enlighten me. The ticket is a 4 day php, good for admission to the parks for 4 days; what does it really matter who purchased or used the ticket originally? Disney knew when it sold the ticket--it was for 4 days in the parks; what are they losing if someone else uses this ticket? There is nothing related to "lying, cheating or stealing" involved here. Will Disney refund the 2 days that aren't used by the original purchaser/user?

Also, there is no identifying information on the tickets that would allow for disney to know who purchased/used the ticket originally anyway. If disney really wanted to prevent this from happening, they would do like they do for PAP(of which we own 4) with the finger sensors. but, the fact of the matter is, they're not "losing out" on anything when someone else uses the pass, it's already been paid for!!!

some people really get me going. why on earth would someone not use the remaining days on old php's? that's just befuddling to me??? can I get a credit card#? I've got a nice bridge in Brooklyn for sale.

I say use the passes and don't think twice about it. don't feel bad. don't think you're "lying, cheatin, or stealin" anyone at WDW. the tickets are PAID FOR!

sorry for being crabby, but, sometimes all these goodie-to-shoes just get me going.

 

[MacDalton]

Wow! I had no idea we'd get so many responses! Thank you all for your input. Let me just add a few things: The co-worker offered to give the tickets to my DH. We are not paying him for them. I agree with those of you who have said "the tickets are already paid for, so Disney isn't losing anything". The co-worker is going in Feb, we are going in April, so we won't be tryng to use them at the same time. However, my reason for asking this question was because I do not lie, cheat, or steal either. I agree that just because it CAN be done, does not mean it SHOULD be done. If its against policy, then its against policy. I'm okay with that. I just didn't know the policy. Anyway, once this guy gets back, who really thinks he's going to give us the tickets? Actually, why would anyone give away 2 days? I bet once the co-worker's wife hears about it, she will keep the tickets! (I would!) Anyway, thank you all for your responses. Please know that I'm not trying to outsmart Disney or get in for free. The guy just offered. But, it seems kinda disloyal to Disney to turn them down! But, if its against the rules, we will abide by that. We will set a good example for our kids. We will buy our own tickets! See ya in April!

 

[sha_lyn]

MacDalton
... The offer sounds strage since he hasn't even gone on the trip yet. I doubt you have the answers to what I'm asking, it's more like "food for thought". Has he already bought the tickets? If not why would he buy days he doens't plan on using? My guess (and yes I'm just guessing) is maybe he is getting the LOS (or what ever they are called now) and has to buy the number of days for his stay. If so, the ticket expires at the end of the number consecutive days from it's first use. IE they book for 5 nights but plan on 3 park days. They can drop only one day from the pass, so they must purchase 4 day passes. The pass expires on the 4th day.

I do have a little argument over the "the tickets are paid for WDW won't be losing anything." Yes they will be, because the price per day is a little cheaper with the more days you purchase. This very well may be one motivation the the non trasnferability of tickets. Is it fair, well it's not up to me to decided. Like I said before, no one is forced to go to WDW or to buy days on their tickets that they might not use. Don't like their polices, don't do business with them. It is that simple.

That said; all this talk about "lying, cheating, stealing" and "against the law" is a little over the top. I am not a lawyer, but, I don't think there is any "law" that prevents you from giving tickets to someone if you desire.

Well this has been brought up many times. While there is no known case of Disney pressing charges, lawyers here have said that Disney could have a case for Theft of Services or Theft by deception. By using someone elses pass you are in fact pretending to be that person. The theft of services might be hard to convict in the case of giving away a ticket, but I doubt theift by decption would be.

As for my family, you bet we keep track of what pass belongs to each person. Not that I'm paranoid about what WDW might do. I doubt if a family of 4 walks through and each person hands in a ticket it really matters if they each hold the same one they did the day before. However there are times that we don't go to the same park together. We have separated and gone to different parks and met up in one of them later on. WDW can tell you when and where each pass is used. If I go to MK and have a hand stamp for AK and a ticket that was used at Epcot instead, it could cause problems.

A lot of people on this thread say that it's wrong to use someone else's pass instead of buying your own, but I wonder what they would actually do if they were in that situation. I know they will all say they'd still buy their own, but I'm not so sure everyone who says that now would actually end up doing that if they were in this situation. Not too many people would pass up the opportunity to go to WDW free for 2 days, as much as many would like to think they would. And if she does pay the coworker for the tickets, then she still paid for tickets, just not directly to Disney, since the coworker paid Disney when he bought them for 4 days. Does it really matter who uses the passes since they were paid for

I would pass it up, you can doubt my honesty if you want to, but there is no way I would do it. Does it really matter. Well aparently to WDW it does matter or they wouldn't have a policy against it.

Oh and on our trip to US/IOA there was a couple of times that they didn't scan DD's ticket when they let us in with the stroller. So on her 4 day pass there was 2 (or possibly just one, we did a lot of park hoping) days that she was in the park but that day wasn't deleted from her ticket. I threw it out with the rest of our tickets at the end of the trip.

 

[tinkerbee]

If it is wrong to give, sell or share park hopper tickets to any one then how is it that people get away with selling them on Ebay? Or in some of those places that are around Disney World on 192? You can take those timeshare tours and they give you free tickets whether you buy from them or not. I was told from a Cast Member in 2001 Disney doesn't make their money from you staying in a resort or buying tickets they make it from you being in the park, buying food, $8.50 pins, and over priced stuffed animals. So as long a "someone" is in the parks I'm sure that they won't complain.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by MacDalton
I agree that just because it CAN be done, does not mean it SHOULD be done. If its against policy, then its against policy. I'm okay with that. I just didn't know the policy.

I work for Disney, and I say use the passes, but be sure to spend that much more money on souvenirs, food and other stuff while you're there, to make up for it!

Seriously, though, the "non-transferable" notation was put on tickets for one basic reason: to keep people from re-selling them. If someone re-sells something that is clearly marked to be non-transferable, it's definitely a no-no. "Non-transferable" was not meant to keep people from treating their friends with an extra day, or allowing their kids to get an extra day at MGM, or to keep people from trading tickets with each other before they expire or whatever.

Use the tickets, enjoy the tickets ... just don't SELL the tickets.

 

[WDSearcher]

Originally posted by tinkerbee
If it is wrong to give, sell or share park hopper tickets to any one then how is it that people get away with selling them on Ebay? Or in some of those places that are around Disney World on 192?

eBay and the places on 192 that are re-selling are doing so illegally. Just because they're there, doesn't mean it's right. Those re-sale places are closed down all the time, but they keep popping up again and again. Generally, it's not worth the time, personnel or money to hunt down every eBay seller or 192 re-seller. So they keep going.

 

[lulugirl]

I say use the tickets and have a wonderful time! We just returned from our Disney trip, we have two days left on our park hopper's, I am sending those passes to my brother who lives in Orlando. I paid for the tickets, I have no idea when I would be able to use the remaining days, so I have no problem giving them to my brother to use.
For those of you who consider this "lying, cheating and stealing", I say that's rather dramatic.....

 

[kevind65]

OK, just a couple of rebuttles:

Your theory about disney losing money in this situation is flawed. It doesn't matter if someone buys 2 day or 7 day park hoppers, if the ticket is paid for, it's paid, period. disney sold the ticket for 1 person to be in the park for 1 day and 1 person will be all that's in the park regardless of who uses the ticket. therefore disney doesn't lose any money by someone else using this ticket.

I don't believe anyone ever mentioned anything about not doing business with disney? I have and will continue to give a substantial portion of my entertainment budget to disney each and every year. My problem in this case is that people like you that try to make people feel bad or dishonest about something when in reality it's just a flawed policy. just because I don't agree with this policy, your answer is to tell me not to do business with them?

Have you never given or been given tickets to the opera, broadway, or a professional sporting event that was paid for by somebody else? It's the same principle! one ticket is sold and used by one person. maybe not the person that purchased it, but, nonetheless one person. that venue is not losing because the person the purchased the ticket didn't attend did they? I have season tickets for the st.louis cardinals baseball team and routinely give my tickets away; are the cardinals being stolen from because I gave my tickets that I paid for to someone else? Of course not. It is a flawed thought process and policy. I wonder if you think the same of people who would accept tickets in these other situations? are they liers, theifs & cheats as well?

There's a good reason why there are know known cases of disney prosecuting anyone for using a ticket that someone else originally purchased: It's a flawed policy and they know it and they know it would be an impossible case to prove and win. There is always a lawyer lurking around to tell you there can be legigation over something, but, at some point people just need to use some common sense.

My family and I are personally PAP holders who happen to spend alot of our hard earned money in the disney parks and resorts each and every year. we have never accepted partial passes or unused php from anyone, but I wouldn't see a problem with it if someone did.

I do agree with you that if someone were purposely purchasing a 7 day park hopper knowing they are only going for 3 days just so they could sell them later at regular prices would be wrong. But, even if someone did buy 7 day php's and were only staying 3 days, they should be able to do what they want with the remaining tickets, they paid for them.

It's probably safe to say that we're not all going to agree on this one. We all tend to hold disney to a different level; sometimes the good way; sometimes the bad way. I just think it's a bad policy. It doesn't mean that I hate disney.

 

[ivanova]

If it is wrong to give, sell or share park hopper tickets to any one then how is it that people get away with selling them on Ebay? Or in some of those places that are around Disney World on 192?
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eBay and the places on I-92 that are re-selling are doing so illegally. Just because they're there, doesn't mean it's right. Those re-sale places are closed down all the time, but they keep popping up again and again. Generally, it's not worth the time, personnel or money to hunt down every eBay seller or 192 re-seller. So they keep going.

Typically what is being sold on ebay are UNUSED tickets - not partially used tickets (at least the auctions I found today were set up that way). I doubt that it is illegal to purchase a ticket, not use, then resell it (we're not talking about scalping concert tickets in th is scenario). But if you use it (let's say 3 of 7 days on a PHP) and then try to sell the remaining days, THAT is possibly prosecutable ... or at least can warrant confiscation of the ticket.

I haven't been to the places along I-92 that are referenced, but I am guessing again that they resell UNUSED tickets. What's the difference between them selling unused tickets and Connections selling passes?

And for the timeshare presentations, they are GIVING away the tickets (in exchange for your time) that they purchase. Again, UNUSED tickets.