Can they really do this?

[DMRick]

Sure, it might only be "20 kids", but in reality, it is going to be 20 kids, their parents, and probably siblings as well. I'm guessing 60 as a minimum.

They'll prob bring their cousins and neighbors with them..prob 100 people minimum. Or maybe 10.

 

[camlace]

Hey there CamLace,
No flames from me, but I am curious when was the timeframe for the events mentioned in your post at BC and OKW? Was it recently? Just trying to figure if these were more recent events or visits some time ago.

Thanks,
~DW

October the last two years....

 

[Sammie]

camlace, your situation seems like an exception to stated Disney policy, but it's Disney policy and they can choose to make exceptions. It's when guests decide to make exceptions to Disney's rules (without letting Disney in on their plans) that make for nasty posts.

Technically, it is not Member Services place to give permission, it is the management of the resort and management of recreation if the pool is involved. Those being affected should always have the final say, not someone answering the phone who will not have to deal with it at the actual resort.

This is not camlace's fault but the fault of MS for not referring her to the proper place to ask.

I had a friend that worked at BC and asked for a transfer to a value resort because of the headaches associated with the pool.

 

[DVCconvert]

Technically, it is not Member Services place to give permission, it is the management of the resort and management of recreation if the pool is involved.

"Technically" that maynot be accurate. It depends on if the 'event' is being booked via DEP (disney event productions) as a special event.

 

[DMRick]

This is not camlace's fault but the fault of MS for not referring her to the proper place to ask.

I'm getting confused. Did Camlace have a problem after asking for permission? If so, I missed that post. I haven't seen any posts where someone had a problem after asking permission to have company in a pool I've had company in the pools, and it was never a problem. Granted the pools are usually pretty dead when we have been there, since we go at off times.
You mention management of recreation. Who would that be? I know the lifeguards haven't had a clue when I have asked them if they are who we would ask. They have always referred me to the front desk. And the front desk has always seemed to be the right person to ask.

 

[bababear_50]

hope Disney is preparing to make this little girl's day special,(are you listening Disney)and yes I know it's not Disney's job to do this (please don't flame me)

no matter who's at fault (CM or mother ) I'd hate to see a bunch of kids
disappointed.and a little girl upset on her Birthday.

In my heart I believe Disney will come up with a solution --pack all the kids up in the red DVC van and take them over to BB.for the day.

I do believe rules should be followed and allowing a pool party at SAB would be against the rules.

Let's hope that OP has let the mom ,know of concern posted and maybe a
very difficult situation can be avoided.

Hugs Mel

 

[Sammie]

"Technically" that maynot be accurate. It depends on if the 'event' is being booked via DEP (disney event productions) as a special event.

If that was the case BC/YC would very much be aware of the special event.

 

[Sammie]

I'm getting confused. Did Camlace have a problem after asking for permission? If so, I missed that post. I haven't seen any posts where someone had a problem after asking permission to have company in a pool I've had company in the pools, and it was never a problem. Granted the pools are usually pretty dead when we have been there, since we go at off times.
You mention management of recreation. Who would that be? I know the lifeguards haven't had a clue when I have asked them if they are who we would ask. They have always referred me to the front desk. And the front desk has always seemed to be the right person to ask.

No she did not have a problem, she stated she had been allowed to bring extra guests over room occupany to OKW and BC per permission from Member Services.

There is a manager over all the recreation of each resort just as there is a Front Desk manager, housekeeping, maintenance, etc. Checking with the Front Desk is fine.

 

[elijahpep]

hope Disney is preparing to make this little girl's day special,(are you listening Disney)and yes I know it's not Disney's job to do this (please don't flame me)

no matter who's at fault (CM or mother ) I'd hate to see a bunch of kids
disappointed.and a little girl upset on her Birthday.

In my heart I believe Disney will come up with a solution --pack all the kids up in the red DVC van and take them over to BB.for the day.

I do believe rules should be followed and allowing a pool party at SAB would be against the rules.

Let's hope that OP has let the mom ,know of concern posted and maybe a
very difficult situation can be avoided.

Hugs Mel

While I agree that every child should have great birthdays, glad BCV isn't my home resort where members fees would be used for such a trip to BB. I know I wouldn't want my kids to make use of DVC money or means like that. I just can't agree with that hypothetical solution, IMHO.

Not flaming you babbar, I think you are right wanting the kids to have a great party. I just wonder how much responsibilty should Disney take in regards to poor planning on the party's mom efforts, IF THAT is the case.

It's really not the OP's responsibilty either IMO to tell the party mom either.

AGain, as you and other suggested I hope that no children experience any thing unmagical at the happiest place on earth, but sometimes adults can make messes our children pay for unfortunately.

~DW

 

[Tinker74]

While I agree that every child should have great birthdays, glad BCV isn't my home resort where members fees would be used for such a trip to BB. I know I wouldn't want my kids to make use of DVC money or means like that. I just can't agree with that hypothetical solution, IMHO.

Not flaming you babbar, I think you are right wanting the kids to have a great party. I just wonder how much responsibilty should Disney take in regards to poor planning on the party's mom efforts, IF THAT is the case.

It's really not the OP's responsibilty either IMO to tell the party mom either.

AGain, as you and other suggested I hope that no children experience any thing unmagical at the happiest place on earth, but sometimes adults can make messes our children pay for unfortunately.

~DW

I agree with this...its not up to disney to transport all the kids to BB and let them in free...If the birthday girl is upset then its up to her parents to dig deep in their own pockets to pay for a solution to try to save the day.

 

[DMRick]

You guys are coming up with a lot more info than I am from the OP's note. She invited kids to a birthday party. She stated she got permission. What's had to believe about that? Especially in the year of a million dreams.

So many people have stated that they wouldn't be happy about this. Well, believe it or not, Disney does have such goings on LOL. They do give guests permission to do things out of the ordinary and against the "rules" (note..these are their rules..and they can break them at will), just like any other hotel.Now we have the kids being bused to BB and being let in free and even that can cause people to be upset..and it's not even happening. This is very entertaining.

I wonder how people handled the pets in the rooms at the Deluxes during the hurricanes. Imagine that..no pets allowed and they slept in the rooms! And Disney gave them permission..even though the rules say no. And to top it off..the owners were from the campground! They let campground people stay and swim in the deluxes..and they didn't charge them.

Yep, Disney owns the place and they get to decide on what they will allow. The OP said the person had permission. So, unless someone has proof she doesn't, I'll just have to believe it. I'm sure there will now be some Disers parked right there ready to jump on the first person they see with a pile of kids, even if Disney did ok this. Bet the OP wishes she'd never posted. I'm sure she doesn't want this gal to have trouble.

I agree with this...its not up to disney to transport all the kids to BB and let them in free...If the birthday girl is upset then its up to her parents to dig deep in their own pockets to pay for a solution to try to save the day.

 

[Tinker74]

I didn't say the kids were being bused to BB...another poster said she would like to see that happen..I was responding...
I don't know why you have such a problem with us all specualating about this..its an interesting topic and we are all giving our opinions and thoughts..Isn't that what a message board is for?
Anyway we do know that the noone at BC is aware of this "party"...there are people here who do have contacts at BC and have been told for sure that this would not be permitted and noone has even asked if it would be.
So it seems party mom is just going to try her luck at the weekend...Do you think that is OK?
I wouldn't care if it was just one family she wanted in with her...Iam not a devout anti pool hopper ..I do understand that people often get permission for another family to join them..thats fine. But suely anyone can see that inviting 20 families is taking the biscuit..don't you agree

 

[Longsx3]

Hi everyone, please forgive me because I have not read the entire thread but I read enough to know people are questioning having a WDW "approved" party at stormalong bay. For DD's 6th bday we had a party at the Sandcastle club at the Beach Club. The way the party works is we had the room for x amount of time (I think 2hrs) and then we were given wrist bands and allowed to use stormalong bay for the rest of the day. If DD would have been older I could see skipping the allotted room time and just using stormalong bay.

BTW the way I did not consider this party to be over the top, at the time we lived in Omaha and DD had never had a party with family. None of the guests live in Orlando, they live in either Tampa or Cocoa Beach, and we made a weekend of it. We had 25 people all family or very close friends, I think there were 10 kids and the rest were adults...I paid for kids and adults. By the time we were finished in the party room there was a typical Florida thunderstorm and management allowed us to come back the next day.

 

[alldiz]

I think the birthday mom probably has a few bucks
to even think about a party at disney....

I'm sure if this has not been approved...Disney will come
up with a monetary number to let it happen when
they see the presents piling up

I might not agree....but I don't see Disney ruining the
day for this girl....even though they have absolutely nothing
to do with this misunderstanding....if it is that...
Disney will not turn away 20 potential future spenders at
the most magical place on earth

Again...this is all speculation till we hear some more facts.
Peace
Kerri

 

[mrzrich]

Hi everyone, please forgive me because I have not read the entire thread but I read enough to know people are questioning having a WDW "approved" party at stormalong bay. For DD's 6th bday we had a party at the Sandcastle club at the Beach Club. The way the party works is we had the room for x amount of time (I think 2hrs) and then we were given wrist bands and allowed to use stormalong bay for the rest of the day. If DD would have been older I could see skipping the allotted room time and just using stormalong bay.

Thank You for this post! The description Disney gives for the Sand Castle Club Party does not mention SAB, so we were not sure if it was part of the package. No that I know this, I'm thinking it sounds pretty cool. Don't think the mom in the OP's story has done this, but it does mean there are options available. !

 

[DMRick]

I don't know why you have such a problem with us all specualating about this..its an interesting topic and we are all giving our opinions and thoughts..Isn't that what a message board is for?
Anyway we do know that the noone at BC is aware of this "party"...there are people here who do have contacts at BC and have been told for sure that this would not be permitted and noone has even asked if it would be.
So it seems party mom is just going to try her luck at the weekend...Do you think that is OK?

No, I don't have any problems with the speculation. I just find it very intersting that some people don't seem to accept that Disney rules can be broken by Disney. Some seem sure that there is no way the lady could have gotten permission and I don't understand why. Disney has allowed a lot of things that people on the Dis say aren't allowed. But then this is also the first that I have read about people with contacts at BC that have said that for sure this lady doesn't have permission and that no one at BC is aware of it. That says to me that they personally know this isn't going to be allowed, since no one knows about it. I thought I had read this thread pretty thoroughly, since I find it so interesting, but I missed that. I also do wonder why they say they know for sure it wouldn't be allowed when several here have been able to bring in people to swim at the BC. I hope they are wrong and don't know everyone, so this can happen for this family, since the mom seems to think she does have permission from someone that counts.

 

[Tinker74]

No, I don't have any problems with the speculation. I just find it very intersting that some people don't seem to accept that Disney rules can be broken by Disney. Some seem sure that there is no way the lady could have gotten permission and I don't understand why. Disney has allowed a lot of things that people on the Dis say aren't allowed. But then this is also the first that I have read about people with contacts at BC that have said that for sure this lady doesn't have permission and that no one at BC is aware of it. That says to me that they personally know this isn't going to be allowed, since no one knows about it. I thought I had read this thread pretty thoroughly, since I find it so interesting, but I missed that. I also do wonder why they say they know for sure it wouldn't be allowed when several here have been able to bring in people to swim at the BC. I hope they are wrong and don't know everyone, so this can happen for this family, since the mom seems to think she does have permission from someone that counts.

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Yeah..I was told in a PM..that this isn't going to happen because noone has even asked permission for it in the first place...so it seems the mom is just going to blindly turn up. Weather she will get permission when she arrives..I have no idea...but i think it seems unlikely. Perhaps if she only has a few children with her as in 2 or 3 she might be given permission..I have no clue ..thats why i find this topic interesting...But with 20 extra kids i find it highly unlikely.
Its clear though that party mom has not booked a sandcastle package as she has already told the OP that no refreshments will be included and that she has asked if she can be joined by an extra "few"...she didn't mention a sandcastle party..which I think sounds cool

Your right its a shame that these children will likely be dissapointed but I think its necssesary to stop this becoming a precedent..What if the word spread and suddenly lots of kids wanted to hire a room for the night in order to turn up with the class thinking OH well disney won't turn us away...that would be a pretty cheap party for a whole class.

Iam sure somehow party mom will try to turn this around somehow so her guests can have a decent day..after all it will be her fault if they are turned away...Perhaps she could pay for everyone to go to BB of even beaches and cream and mini golf ...If she cares at all for the mess she has caused she will let her credit card take a hit and pay up.
But to be honest if she wasn't even going to buy drinks for the guests i think its debatable if she will do anything...Thats what we all want to find out I suppose...Its like a soap opera..

She could fork out for a few of those kitchen sinks you have in your sig Doris..They are delicious but iam not sure i'd want to drive 90 mins for one.
Iam not 100% sure but didn't the OP ask the mom if she had permission to do this?? I can't remember..if she did then I suppose the natrual reaction would be for the mom to say yes..even if she didn't as yet have permission...who would want to say "No actually Iam just going to ask when everyone arrives"...It might be something that didn't even occur to the mom till the OP mentioned it.

 

[CanadianGuy]

Its like a soap opera..

I've forgotten all about General Hospital. I'm tuned to the never-ending saga of the transient residents of ...

'Stormalong Bay'

It does sound like a great name for a daytime soap!

Knox

 

[Tinker74]

I've forgotten all about General Hospital. I'm tuned to the never-ending saga of the transient residents of ...

'Stormalong Bay'

It does sound like a great name for a daytime soap!

Knox

Oh my God..I just spat my tea out from laughing

 

[sportears]

I'm not sure if anyone actually answered your question, or not. But the answer is no. You must be a guest staying at the resort, to swim at the pool. Many people don't pay attention to the rule, but if a cast member suspects that individuals swimming at the pool are not guest of the hotel, they will be ask to leave.