Can someone tell me - WITHOUT turning it into a debate - the difference between..

C.Ann

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a Southern Baptist Church and a Baptist Church?

And could you tell me a little about their beliefs and how they operate?

I've always been curious about them.. Lots of them in the southern section of the country, right?

No big sermons, please.. Just a rough guidleine of their beliefs, rules, whatever..
 
Hi C. Ann! I can't give you the exact doctrine of each, but I can say that Southern Baptists churches tend to be more.....born again-y in nature and American Baptists (which I believe is the "other" baptist religion) tend to be more....traditional (?) in nature. Kinda like Lutherans or Methodists. I know when we moved to NH, we briefly attended a Southern Baptist church, but my parents chose instead to join the Congregationalists because they seemed more in line with the church style in which they'd become accustomed.
 
I attend a Southern Baptist church, so I can tell you the general beliefs. I am not very familiar with Baptist churches, but it is my understanding that Baptist churches are more prevalent in the northern states than in the southern states. I'm not positive, but I think Baptist churches may be less conservative in their doctrine than Southern Baptist Churches.

The core beliefs of Southern Baptists are 1) Jesus Christ is the only Son of God and Jesus died for the sins of all mankind 2) God is three-in-one (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) 3) eternal life/salvation from sin is the free gift of God and is not based on good works 4) in order to spend eternity with God, one must accept Christ as Savior and Lord of your life

I copied the following information from the website of the Southern Baptist Convention (you can click here for the link):

Basic Beliefs

Southern Baptists have prepared a statement of generally held convictions called The Baptist Faith and Message. It serves as a guide to understanding who they are. Copies are available at Southern Baptist churches. The topics here provide only a brief, partial summary. The full text on the issue discussed is also available on this website.

The Scriptures
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter.


God
There is one and only one living and true God. …The eternal God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.


God the Father
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. …God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ.


God the Son
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ, He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. …He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His death on the cross, He made provision for the redemption of men from sin.


God the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. …He exalts Christ. He convicts of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. …He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.


Man
Man was created by the special act of God, in His own image, and is the crowning work of His creation. …By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race. … The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every man possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love.


Salvation
Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, sanctification, and glorification.


God's Purpose of Grace
Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. …All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end.


The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is a local body of baptized believers who are associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel…and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. …This church is an autonomous body. …The New Testament speaks also of the church as the body of Christ, which includes all of the redeemed of all the ages.


Baptism & the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water. …It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members … memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.


The Lord's Day
The first day of the week is the Lord's Day. …It commemorates the resurrection of Christ from the dead and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion.


Last Things
God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. …Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly…the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell. …The righteous… will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.


Evangelism & Missions
It is the duty and privilege of every follower of Christ and every church of the Lord Jesus Christ to endeavor to make disciples of all nations … to seek constantly to win the lost to Christ by personal effort.


Education
The cause of education in the Kingdom of Christ is co-ordinate with the causes of missions and general benevolence … there should be a proper balance between academic freedom and academic responsibility. …The freedom of a teacher in a Christian school, college, or seminary is limited by the pre-eminence of Jesus Christ, by the authoritative nature of the Scriptures, and by the distinct purpose for which the school exists.


Stewardship
God is the source of all blessings, temporal and spiritual; all that we have and are we owe to Him. Christians have a spiritual debtorship to the whole world, a holy trusteeship in the gospel, and a binding stewardship in their possessions. They are therefore under obligation to serve Him with their time, talents, and material possessions.


Cooperation
Christ's people should … organize such associations and conventions as may best secure cooperation for the great objects of the Kingdom of God. Such organizations have no authority over one another or over the churches. …Cooperation is desirable between the various Christian denominations.


The Christian & the Social Order
Every Christian is under obligation to seek to make the will of Christ supreme in his own life and in human society. ... The Christian should oppose in the spirit of Christ every form of greed, selfishness, and vice.


Religious Liberty
Church and state should be separate. The state owes to every church protection and full freedom in the pursuit of its spiritual ends. …A free church in a free state is the Christian ideal.


Family
God has ordained the family as the foundational institution of human society. …Marriage is the unity of one man and one woman in covenant commitment for a lifetime. …The husband and wife are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God's image. The marriage relationship models the way God relates to His people. …Children, from the moment of conception, are a blessing and heritage from the Lord.
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I hope that is the sort of information you're looking for! Sorry I'm not more familiar with the differences between Southern Baptists and Baptists.
 
Is it one of the Baptist churches that is very strict about music, make-up, smoking, drinking, etc.?

Do they both do a lot of singing? Lively singing?
 

Boy:rolleyes: That's a hard question to answer. Hmmm, in the begining there were Baptist. The Southern Baptist branched out of them for politicial, not spirtual reasons.

Baptist churches very greatly (Especially here in the "Bible Belt")
The church I go to comes from a Southern Baptist church. They are considered the black sheep of the Southern Baptist in the area. So, we (the church off them) are considered the polka dot sheep!;)

Check out the website: www.mosaicfw.org
 
All I know about the Southern Baptists is that they don't seem to like Disney much.
 
Originally posted by Princess_Aurora
All I know about the Southern Baptists is that they don't seem to like Disney much.
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Are you serious? :confused: Can you tell me why without this thread turning into a debate?
 
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Just like many other denominations, Baptist come in all shapes and sizes and conventions =)

Southern Baptist is just a Baptist convention... Southern Baptist churches, historically, have been autonomous, whileas many other conventions are not. Meaning, if your church considers itself part of the SBC, they can CHOOSE whether or not to follow the SBC decisions on certain things. They don't have to answer to them like they are a governing body or something... like, when the SBC voted to boycott Disney, your church could choose whether or not to participate. Some did, some didn't. Up to you and your church. And furthermore, if you belong to a truly SB church, you (the church member) can choose to follow the boycott even if your CHURCH and pastor votes to do so... there is a lot of person autonomy and church autonomy =)

Recent days have brought many changes for the SBC... through that, alot of the autonomy has been removed and churches are becoming more and more expected to align with what the SBC decides. Many churches have pulled from it because of that, and now just consider themselves Baptist, or General Baptist, or whatever. Many of these churches are now just cooperating wtih local associations, state conventions, or other national organizations that have been created out of the SBC splits...

Honestly, each Baptist church is so different, it's impossible to fully know where they stnad on things without researching the particular church. BECAUSE they are autonomous, and create their own beliefs on things. Baptists do, traditionally, hold certain beliefs in common, but on other issues they can differ greatly from congregation to congregation, esp on things like moral issues and translations.

Traditionally, SBC has held to basic beliefs like church autonomy and seperation of church and state... which, if you really study the SBC changes in the last 20 years, you'll see those things going away.

There are many diff sects of Baptists... but Southern Baptist has been, by far, the largest one. Others include Missionary, American, Indepenent, Primitive, etc etc...

Hope that makes sense! =)
 
C.Ann

You may be thinking about Primitive Baptists - they aren't much into "external adornment."

I've attended a Southern Baptist Church all my life. The Southern Baptist Church is part of the "Southern Baptist Convention," from which we get all of our literature, etc. It's from our convention that our missionaries are supported. I think missions is a big part of SBC's.

But, of course, every Church may be a little different.

Princess_Aurora - I have to agree with you there - I wasn't really happy when the Convention made the comments they made several years ago. But think about the Churches in the Orlando area. One of my friends who was a CM during that time said it was really hard on the Pastors - what were they supposed to say?!?
 
Originally posted by C.Ann
Is it one of the Baptist churches that is very strict about music, make-up, smoking, drinking, etc.?

Do they both do a lot of singing? Lively singing?


Sounds like you're thinking more of Pentecostal or Assembly of God.

No, SB's are no more strict about music, makeup, smoking and drinking than any other Baptist Church.

A lot of singing? Not anymore or less than any other Baptist Church that I know of.

Lively? Hardly...A rousing chorus of "Just As I Am" for the Alter Call is about as wild as we get. ;)

The core beliefs of Southern Baptists are 1) Jesus Christ is the only Son of God and Jesus died for the sins of all mankind 2) God is three-in-one (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) 3) eternal life/salvation from sin is the free gift of God and is not based on good works 4) in order to spend eternity with God, one must accept Christ as Savior and Lord of your life

That's pretty much it in a nutshell and I'm not at all sure that's any different than any other Baptist religion.
 
Originally posted by Princess_Aurora
All I know about the Southern Baptists is that they don't seem to like Disney much.

Really? Do you know many Southern Baptists? I am a Southern Baptist and I like Disney and so do many others in my church that I now belong to and the one I left. Those that did not like Disney never went to Disney or liked it in the first place.
 
In answer to some of your other questions that I didn't read before posting my intial post:

- each church worships differently. I have attended SB churches that had full bands, others that wore liturgical robes, others that juts had organist. Some sing from hymnals, some sing from praise and worship books, etc etc. Each church decides their own method of worship. Unlike the Catholic church, for example, that follows the same order for Mass, Baptists decide their own worship order each week.

- each particular church will have diff thoughts in regards to smoking, dress, alcohol, etc. Pentacostals are often more conservative in regards to this, esp dress and hair

- years ago, the SBC boycotted Disney because of the benefits they offered to single sex couples and such... honestly, I ignored it so much that I can't remember the details now. I have yet to walk into a SBC church that really did it LOL
 
originally posted by C.Ann
Is it one of the Baptist churches that is very strict about music, make-up, smoking, drinking, etc.?

Do they both do a lot of singing? Lively singing?
As far as I know based on the Southern Baptist churches I have been a member of, this is not the case. At my church there aren't any restrictions on music, make-up, smoking, etc. As far as drinking goes, the basic thought is that it is wrong to drink when underage (because of the belief that breaking the law is wrong, as taught in the Bible) and that is is wrong to be drunk with wine (based on Biblical teaching as well). At my church we sing a mixture of praise songs and traditional hymns. Our church also offers a more contemporary service in addition to the more traditional service. There are usually just praise songs at the contemporary services without hymns. I'm not positive by any means, but I think that the restrictions on makeup, music, etc. are more often part of Pentecostal or Seventh Day Adventist doctrines.
 
Just wanted to add that I don't agree with their stance on Disney. My mom and I have had huge fights over that. Anyway, the Southern Baptists have also been against women becoming preachers as well. I don't agree with that either
 
There are 3 main Baptist groups. Southern Baptist, National Baptists and American Baptist.
Southern Baptist is a very lose confederation of Baptist churches that are autonomous but follow some basic beliefs that were stated before. Each church owns or rents it own property, hires and fires its own pastor and staff but they usually get their Sunday School/Bible Study literature from Lifeway (the Bible Study part of the SBC) and give to the SBC to provide money for missionaries both internationally and in the US. Certain seminaries are run under the SBC to train pastors and missionaries as well. Each state can have its own convention, for ex. Florida Baptist Convention.
Most Southern Baptist churches are predominately white but are open to all. We do have one predominately black church here in Miami.
American Baptist are predominately black churches. National Baptist are I believe predominately white. I will say that the Southern Baptist Church I attend has members from over 70 different nationalities/cultural groups. A very diverse membership. We are large for a Southern Baptist church with over 2000 members. Most range in the 50 to 100 member range.
 
Originally posted by Pooh Girl 71
The Southern Baptists don't like Disney for several reasons. The main one I remember is b/c of gay people.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/18/baptists.disney/index.html

No, the hierarchy of the SBC decided to boycott Disney not the general membership of each Southern Baptist church. In fact, other than discussion among various members the boycott was never a factor in either other Southern Baptist churches I have been a member of. In fact, I would see some of my pastor's at WDW when I visited as well as other members.
 
Wasn't the ban 7 or 8 years ago?

It's been a long time ago, whenever it was.

I agree, it wasn't a local decision and it was never a factor at our church either.

We even had Disney movies and cartoons in the nursery!:eek:
 
My SB preacher went to WDW last month!! Yay for him! I thought they'd never get there... LOL

One of the things I like about being SB is the ways we support missionaries. All the money goes into the pot and then handed out to the missionaries. In other words, they don't have to go from church to church asking for support to help them through. Nothing wrong with those who do it that way...I just think that has to be a burden for the missionaries that they probably don't need.
 





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