Can I park at Beach Club for convenience to Epcot World Showcase entrance???

[Copper3]

You have to love those "implied" rules.


Bonus points to the first person to post a picture of those signs restricting parking which also have "implied" meaning.

I'll look for them the next time I'm at the BW, I don't remember seeing any signs but I wasn't looking for them either.

For those concerned about the EC BW parking crashers, security has asked when checking the IDs (driver's license) if your are staying at BW or not. If you say yes they direct you to the closer self-parking lot, if no you go to the overflow lot. Of course, if you want to valet they are more than happy about that too.

For the record I have only done this park at BW and go to EC once where I didn't dine or shop at BW before going to EC and it was only because I couldn't find a seat at ESPN Club to eat (it was Pistons-Cavaliers Game 5 night - I think a Wednesday). The entire bar and restaurant were packed so I went to EC to eat (Chefs De France). If I want to use the back entrance and know I'm not going to eat at the Boardwalk, I park at MGM and walk over to EC. Then it's a nice walk back over to MGM after Illuminations and the MGM crowd is already gone because MGM closes at 8:30 usually. It's much easier to get out of MGM than it is at EC after closing traffic-wise for those of living west on I-4.

 

[KennySC]

Most rules at Disney are implied. There is a note that they want courteous behavior on the park maps - but it isn't a "rule." And they don't spell out what they mean. But stand in the middle of Main Street and shout obscenities and you'll have security on you faster than the cars at Test Track. There isn't a "rule" that you can't do that, but there is definately the expectation that you won't.

Down south we call that "common sense" and not implied rules.

I do have one question. Why are the three that seem to have the biggest objection to this issue have thousands and thousands more posts than anyone else?

24,979, 6,489 and 9,070 and counting....

 

[crisi]

Down south we call that "common sense" and not implied rules.

I do have one question. Why are the three that seem to have the biggest objection to this issue have thousands and thousands more posts than anyone else?

24,979, 6,489 and 9,070 and counting....

I don't drive at Disney - I really don't care on a personal level. I find these conversations amusing.

 

[pbharris4]

The sign at the BC clearly reads that the parking lot (does not state self parking or valet parking) is strictly for resort guests and that you can't park there to go to parks. I am not positive on the exact wording. The GF, CR, and Poly all gaves us a 3hr pass and looked up our ADRs. When we went to WL the guard asked us what we doing and we showed him our DVC card and said we hadn't been there before and wanted to check it out so he waived us through. We didn't park though..just drove through looked at it and left. Guess it depends on how strict they are that day.

 

[LisaS]

I do have one question. Why are the three that seem to have the biggest objection to this issue have thousands and thousands more posts than anyone else?

Probably because these are three of the most helpful people on these boards. They give up a lot of their free time to help out other DIS board members. Without people like them, there would be no reason to frequent these boards.

 

[barbarabini]

valet it and go where you want.

 

[OneMoreTry]

It's great that we have so many moral people who ALWAYS do the right thing. They always obey every sign posted and never break any rules. If everyone could be more like them the world (including Disney World) would be a better place. I'm sure they always cancel all dining reservations and never let any go unused. They never smoke outside the designated smoking areas. They never use flash photography when asked not too. And most important they ALWAYS keep your hands and arms inside the vehicle until it has come to a complete stop.

Guess what? I press the little button on the back of the fast pass machine and sometimes (if they have it unlocked) I get bonus fast passes.

I was gonna just read through this and enjoy the thread, but this takes the cake.

The people you are refering to are what the term "salt of the earth" means to me. Terms like "backbone of society," "dependable," and I'm sure I'll think of others after I finish this post.

These are the people who keep DOWN the cost of our law enforcement. Their kids are a pleasure to their schools and teachers. Actually alot of 'em probably home school. [I've got on my FPS right now so flame away.] Some vote Democrat and some Republican and some are Christian and some not and they're all races and cultures so don't bring that into it. Some probably HATE WDW and some love it. But they hold society together. They are self-controlled and considerate.

Frankly, if everyone were like this the world WOULD be Disney World. At Disney World we all subject ourselves to rules to get away from the consequences of rudeness and sloth for a while. I guess you get a kick out of watching all the considerate idiots following the golden rule while you have a field day taking advantage of them all like a chicken in a henhouse.

WARNING: From here on down actual PHILOSOPHY takes place.

Here is what Immanuel Kant said [cut and pasted from wikipedia via google], and he probably said it better than anyone. Feel free to apply it to parking at BWV, and in handicap spaces and pressing the little button on the back of anything that you fancy.

Kants basic principle of ethics: "Always act according to that maxim whose universality as a law you can at the same time will", and is the "only condition under which a will can never come into conflict with itself..." (437)[8]

One interpretation of the first formulation is called the "universalizability test." [10] An agent's maxim, according to Kant, is his "subjective principle of human actions" — that is, what the agent believes is his reason to act (400, 429).[8] The universalizability test has five steps:

1. Find the agent's maxim. The maxim is an action paired with its motivation. Example: "I will lie for personal benefit." Lying is the action, the motivation is to get what you desire. Paired together they form the maxim. [Onemoretry's note: "I will park in the BWV or BC lot or press little buttons on the back of a fast pass machine for personal benefit."]
2. Imagine a possible world in which everyone in a similar position to the real-world agent followed that maxim. [Onemoretry's note: That means a world where everyone is pressing the little button on the back of machines over and over and getting lots of fastpasses or parking at the BW lot to get to Epcot.]
3. Decide whether any contradictions or irrationalities arise in the possible world as a result of following the maxim. [OMT's note: Everyone in Epcot shows up for the fastpass line at Flyin' or the BW lot for Illuminations at the same time. The "irrationality" arises because you cannot call your original action "good" and also call this consequence "good." It would result in "bad" for you.]]
4. If a contradiction or irrationality arises, acting on that maxim is not allowed in the real world. [OMT's note: You shouldn't do those things.]
5. If there is no contradiction, then acting on that maxim is permissible, and in some instances required.

EASY TAKE HOME MESSAGE: The implication here is that these actions only benefit a person because most people are too considerate to do the same. You go guy.

PS I believe Kant was a secular philosopher, so this ain't associated with a religion. It comes from his rationalist strain -- aka. common sense.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Where is that hand clapping audience when we need it? Good post, OMT.

 

[fishermouse]

Personally I think Disney should do what other resorts do. Charge nonguests of that resort to park. Most charge $10. If you shop or dine and purchase anything over the $10, you take your receipt and get your parking ticket validated. That way those that just want to hang at the resort pay for that option.

Disney resorts are designed to atracked people NOT chase them away. The bigger resturants and clubs could not stay open if only guests use them, I repeat I was told by DVC that I can use Valet parking because some folks have differing opinions does not make mine wrong. If DVC does not want us to park at BW or any other resort I'm sure they'll let us know. The only time I ever parked there was when we visited the sample room before buying SSR but if they asked me to pay for parking I probably would not have stayed, just on principle. Would like to know just how many people actually could not park their car because the lot was full. As usual this is probably a lot to do about nothing. I have an email in to DVC asking about the parking rules and will post the reply when I get it.

 

[fishermouse]

Just checked my email to me it sounds like if you are "staying and/or visiting "you can use valet parking where available and regular parking at the other resorts. Sharon also is clear that this is for visiting/staying at hotels not to park and go to parks.. Thats my interpretation so to answer original question NO

Valet parking is complimentary for Members staying at Disney's Boardwalk
Resort, Disney's Wilderness Lodge, and Disney's Beach Club Resort.
Members just need to show their DVC Member ID Card. Associates and
guests of Members are not entitled to this benefit. If you are staying
and/or visiting a Disney Vacation Club resort show your member card and
valet parking is complimentary. As to just regular parking without
valet service yes you can park in the parking lots to visit the other
hotels.

Members will be charged the regular fees for all other Walt Disney World
resort parking operations. Whether or not they are charged to valet
park, gratuities are still customary. There will be no charge for
Guests with disabilities who have the proper permits.
Thank you
Sharon

 

[crisi]

Disney resorts are designed to atracked people NOT chase them away. The bigger resturants and clubs could not stay open if only guests use them, I repeat I was told by DVC that I can use Valet parking because some folks have differing opinions does not make mine wrong. If DVC does not want us to park at BW or any other resort I'm sure they'll let us know. The only time I ever parked there was when we visited the sample room before buying SSR but if they asked me to pay for parking I probably would not have stayed, just on principle. Would like to know just how many people actually could not park their car because the lot was full. As usual this is probably a lot to do about nothing. I have an email in to DVC asking about the parking rules and will post the reply when I get it.

Which is why a lot of us believe that the next step will be booths where you either show a room key from THAT resort or a receipt from an establishment at THAT resort to exit without paying. Lots of places validate for parking, its something people know how to deal with.

Valet is a little different since you ARE paying for parking. Even there, however, it may be that they will eventually decide to restrict it (or discount it) for guests of the resort or people actually spending money there - instead of a free for all.

 

[OneMoreTry]

Which is why a lot of us believe that the next step will be booths where you either show a room key from THAT resort or a receipt from an establishment at THAT resort to exit without paying. Lots of places validate for parking, its something people know how to deal with.

Valet is a little different since you ARE paying for parking. Even there, however, it may be that they will eventually decide to restrict it (or discount it) for guests of the resort or people actually spending money there - instead of a free for all.

What is the price for parking at the park lots now? $10 or $12? How does that compare to valet parking at the resorts?

 

[KennySC]

I was gonna just read through this and enjoy the thread, but this takes the cake.

The people you are refering to are what the term "salt of the earth" means to me. Terms like "backbone of society," "dependable," and I'm sure I'll think of others after I finish this post.

These are the people who keep DOWN the cost of our law enforcement. Their kids are a pleasure to their schools and teachers. Actually alot of 'em probably home school. [I've got on my FPS right now so flame away.] Some vote Democrat and some Republican and some are Christian and some not and they're all races and cultures so don't bring that into it. Some probably HATE WDW and some love it. But they hold society together. They are self-controlled and considerate.

Frankly, if everyone were like this the world WOULD be Disney World. At Disney World we all subject ourselves to rules to get away from the consequences of rudeness and sloth for a while. I guess you get a kick out of watching all the considerate idiots following the golden rule while you have a field day taking advantage of them all like a chicken in a henhouse.

WARNING: From here on down actual PHILOSOPHY takes place.

Here is what Immanuel Kant said, and he probably said it better than anyone. Feel free to apply it to parking at BWV, and in handicap spaces and pressing the little button on the back of anything that you fancy.

Kants basic principle of ethics: "Always act according to that maxim whose universality as a law you can at the same time will", and is the "only condition under which a will can never come into conflict with itself..." (437)[8]

One interpretation of the first formulation is called the "universalizability test." [10] An agent's maxim, according to Kant, is his "subjective principle of human actions" — that is, what the agent believes is his reason to act (400, 429).[8] The universalizability test has five steps:

1. Find the agent's maxim. The maxim is an action paired with its motivation. Example: "I will lie for personal benefit." Lying is the action, the motivation is to get what you desire. Paired together they form the maxim. [Onemoretry's note: "I will park in the BWV or BC lot or press little buttons on the back of a fast pass machine for personal benefit."]
2. Imagine a possible world in which everyone in a similar position to the real-world agent followed that maxim. [Onemoretry's note: That means a world where everyone is pressing the little button on the back of machines over and over and getting lots of fastpasses or parking at the BW lot to get to Epcot.]
3. Decide whether any contradictions or irrationalities arise in the possible world as a result of following the maxim. [OMT's note: Everyone in Epcot shows up for the fastpass line at Flyin' or the BW lot for Illuminations at the same time. The "irrationality" arises because you cannot call your original action "good" and also call this consequence "good." It would result in "bad" for you.]]
4. If a contradiction or irrationality arises, acting on that maxim is not allowed in the real world. [OMT's note: You shouldn't do those things.]
5. If there is no contradiction, then acting on that maxim is permissible, and in some instances required.

EASY TAKE HOME MESSAGE: The implication here is that these actions only benefit a person because most people are too considerate to do the same. You go guy.

PS I believe Kant was a secular philosopher, so this ain't associated with a religion. It comes from his rationalist strain -- aka. common sense.

Wow! This is almost too much fun! Instead of all that why not just do what i do? What would your mother or father think about your actions? Your answer to your own question will usally provide you with the direction you seek. That's after you sort through all this mess to find out the actual Disney policy.

The people you defend are the ones that have kept so many from asking questions on these boards because they won't give just a simple answer but something like you just provided. Thanks for continuing to make my point. This is really almost too much fun. Thanks again!

 

[Deb & Bill]

Some people just don't get it.

 

[OneMoreTry]

Wow! This is almost too much fun! Instead of all that why not just do what i do? What would your mother or father think about your actions? Your answer to your own question will usally provide you with the direction you seek. That's after you sort through all this mess to find out the actual Disney policy.

The people you defend are the ones that have kept so many from asking questions on these boards because they won't give just a simple answer but something like you just provided. Thanks for continuing to make my point. This is really almost too much fun. Thanks again!

Do you mean people don't ask questions because someone may post an answer that doesn't agree with what they want to do? You're probably right. That's why I respect the sincerity I perceived in the OP's question. I think that whatever they do they will do with a clean conscience.

I jumped into the fray only to defend the "so many moral people who ALWAYS do the right thing" mentioned in a post above.

I'll put it plainly for you in this post: People who park in the Epcot lot and walk the extra distance are not mindless idiots. They follow a rational principle which has been well-espoused by some of the best non-religious, non-moralizing philosophers.

(Thanks, D&B. )

 

[crisi]

Wow! This is almost too much fun! Instead of all that why not just do what i do? What would your mother or father think about your actions? Your answer to your own question will usally provide you with the direction you seek. That's after you sort through all this mess to find out the actual Disney policy.

Unfortunately, too many people were raised by a Mom and Dad who would laugh at the idea of universality. Far too many of us are "in it for me." And common sense is far from common.

Not that those people are swayed by discussions of Kant, but they entertain those of us who did have to take Ethics in college - and for a few people hearing it laid out in that fashion does cause a lightbulb to go off.

(OMT - next time I take Ethics, you can teach it. That was a much better explaination than my Ethics prof EVER managed).

 

[paults]

The sign at the BC clearly reads that the parking lot (does not state self parking or valet parking) is strictly for resort guests and that you can't park there to go to parks. I am not positive on the exact wording

Isn't a parking lot just that? A parking lot. If the sign says ( above in red print) then it means parking lot. All the lots are parking lots not just one.

Seems like people just want to read into things just to justifly to themselves that it's OK
IN general
Seems to me some people on these boards are just here to argue there pts weather right or wrong. I guess they would also park in a HANDICAP spot just for spite.

 

[KennySC]

Unfortunately, too many people were raised by a Mom and Dad who would laugh at the idea of universality. Far too many of us are "in it for me." And common sense is far from common.

Not that those people are swayed by discussions of Kant, but they entertain those of us who did have to take Ethics in college - and for a few people hearing it laid out in that fashion does cause a lightbulb to go off.

(OMT - next time I take Ethics, you can teach it. That was a much better explaination than my Ethics prof EVER managed).

Get this and it may surprise you BUT I was taught Ethics at home long before I went to college. If you do much reading you'll learn by the time a child reaches puberty their moral base is already established. I'd hate for my kids to learn ethics from the liberal bastion we now call college!

Does anyone remember what the OP was all about? That's right.... long gone. Another example of a Tread being hijacked by people not wanting to just answer the question but they want to try and educate us. To make us all think the way they do. Kind of takes the innocence out of these boards.

 

[OneMoreTry]

..... [snip].....
Ps. I just started my single digit dance at 6:01 am EDT..... So in less than 10 days I'll be drinking wine and trying to violate every rule I can.... Thanks to everyone for the encouragement to do so.

Please note tongue in cheek.....

And don't tell me that everyone doesn't have there own ways of getting around WDW that might skirt the rules. That's what going so often gives us over those that don't! Experience! And I'm sure we'll all run a little when the rope drops.... even after being told to walk..... Have a nice day!

And... I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004....and would again in 2008 if i could.

It's good to have posts like this to restore the innocence.

 

[KennySC]

I'll put it plainly for you in this post: People who park in the Epcot lot and walk the extra distance are not mindless idiots. They follow a rational principle which has been well-espoused by some of the best non-religious, non-moralizing philosophers.

(Thanks, D&B. )

Thank you for clearing that up for all of us. We'll all sleep so much better.

Also, since you seem unable to understand my postings. Too many times on these boards a simple question is asked only needing and/or requiring a most simple answer. Then the ones that make these boards a huge part of their daily lives seem unable to just do that. Sometimes the OP will be a snippy response about how this question has already been asked, how they posted the question in the wrong location and/or how the answer is one thing but should the something else for whatever reason. I just want the questions to be answered as best they can and keep the other stuff out. There are other boards available for the more philosophical discussions.

I guess pushing the liberal buttons on some of you is upsetting so i'll stop. I'm too busy doing my single digit dance and trying to get through another day at work.

BCV Sept 30-Oct 7. I'm flying and won't have a car to park. Isn't that funny.


Have a nice weekend....