Can a dog's leg fall asleep? Update with Picture!!

He's a mutt. Possibly some sheepdog, when he was a puppy, he would try to herd people!:lmao:

He for sure has a voice.

I swear, he talks to me.:rotfl: You should see him and Phil play together, he's so much bigger, but my cat will just swat at him and he plays back but so gentle.:love: And always so happy to see me when I get home. Heck, he's happy when I come out of the washroom! :)

He sounds so sweet. Sheepdog - is he big?

My dogs do the same when I walk in the door, could be 2 minutes or 2 days - so happy to see us. I'm like, you just saw me, I just walked out and back in! :rotfl2: Gotta love em.
 
He sounds so sweet. Sheepdog - is he big?

My dogs do the same when I walk in the door, could be 2 minutes or 2 days - so happy to see us. I'm like, you just saw me, I just walked out and back in! :rotfl2: Gotta love em.

I think sheepdog is the wrong description- Australian Shepherd, with short-haired lab mix?? He's almost white, all one color.

I would post a pic, but I don't know how!
 
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Here he is!!!:lmao: That's one of his dog beds, he added the pillow to the end of it....actually, I don't know how it got like that! He looks very chubby in that pic, but he's not really that overweight, but vet said he did need to lose a few pounds. He was always so skinny, dogs gain weight fast!
 

He is smiling!:rotfl:

He also does the dog "laugh" when you play with him or rub his belly.:hug:
 
I can't forget Phil, in his favorite spot! (also known as stinky, "little head" -because he looks like an alien with a little head and giant eyes)...


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I'd say he'd also like a nice, soft bed on the hardwood floor in his old age, too. :goodvibes

I went to Overstock.com and ordered a Tempurpedic style mattress topper, with plans on cutting the King up into Quarters, covering it and having 4 beds. Sounds genius, right?

The little **** with the patch around her eye...also known as Hazel attacked not one, not two but 2.5 of those quarters and I was left with a chunk, and one full one.

So, I have the one full one, with a chunk, for Charley - and only Charley, since his sister ruined the other ones - to lay on. He still gets on my bed, but when he feels like laying on the floor (or when he lays outside :rolleyes1 Spoiled boy...) he can lay on the Tempurpedic mat.

I thiiiink it was this one: http://www.overstock.com/Bedding-Ba...ory-Foam-Mattress-Topper/4368657/product.html - I know that all the prices were the same, be it Twin or King (which is how I came up with my brilliant idea that Hazel ruined)



Dawgies. Love them. :lovestruc
 
Actually glucosamine and chondroitin can help to prevent further breakdown of cartilage, it is not able to rebuild cartilage that has already been lost.
That's contrary to everything I've ever read about it. I've had 3 dogs on it over the years.

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By Wendy C. Brooks, DVM, DipABVP
Educational Director, VeterinaryPartner.com

Glucosamine/Chondroitin Sulfate (Cosequin, Glycoflex, Cartiflex, Arthri-Nu)

Brand Names: Cosequin, Glycoflex, Cartiflex, Arthri-Nu, Caniflex, Synovi, and Numerous (Nearly Uncountable) Others

Available in tablets, capsules, powders, and even oral liquids

History and Background

Degenerative joint disease, commonly called arthritis, is a painful condition frequently treated with anti-inflammatory pain-relievers. It has been of interest to seek medications that might actually strengthen damaged cartilage and potentially complement these anti-inflammatory pain-relievers. Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfates represent solutions to this problem.

In a normal joint, cartilage breakdown is balanced by cartilage production. In the diseased joint, there is more breakdown than production. Glucosamine and chondroitin sulfates are components of cartilage and the theory is that by taking these precursors orally, one's body can use them to repair and rebuild cartilage where it is damaged. It has further been suggested that these substances may have anti-inflammatory properties of their own and/or may act by stimulating the synthesis of joint lubricants and collagen within the damaged joint.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=542&S=0&EVetID=3001459


Available through your Veterinarian

Joint Max® Double Strength Is A Powerful Glucosamine & Chondroitin Supplement That Lubricates Joints And Helps Rebuild Cartilage. Provides Natural Joint Relief.

http://www.drugs.com/vet/joint-max-double-strength-capsules.html


Repairing Joint Damage in Dogs

On the other hand, some researchers now believe that glucosamine for dogs can actually help rebuild cartilage and repair the damage caused by canine arthritis.

http://www.holisticpetinfo.com/conditions/dog_arthritis_glucosamine_article.htm

Human Orthopedic

How does Glucosamine and Chondroitin work?

Both Glucosamine and Chondroitin may aid in repairing and rebuilding cartilage and ensuring it stays elastic and lubricated.

http://hunterdonortho.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Hunterdon_Orthopedics_Glucosamine_Handout.pdf

I understand that studies are ongoing and results are mixed, but everything I've ever read from professional sources seems to promote the belief that it does help build cartilage.
 
I'll make you feel better. My old guy <------ (he's 15!) is on the glucosomine supplements twice daily and he has greatly improved. He is, naturally, slower than he was when he was a pup, and he can't jump up on the couch any more (never could get onto the bed, he's too short) In he winter, he is slower getting up, and sometimes limps a bit, but he is happy and healthy (other than the arthritis)
 
Our daschund had arthritis and was on Deramaxx for years. It helped her so much, along with baby aspirin on a prn basis (as recommended by the vet). She lived to be 18 years old,so she definitely had a long and happy life!
 
I'll make you feel better. My old guy <------ (he's 15!) is on the glucosomine supplements twice daily and he has greatly improved. He is, naturally, slower than he was when he was a pup, and he can't jump up on the couch any more (never could get onto the bed, he's too short) In he winter, he is slower getting up, and sometimes limps a bit, but he is happy and healthy (other than the arthritis)

Thanks!

So it's cold, damp, and rainy here this morning, and he was up running around, playing, jumping on the bed like a mad man!:confused3
He will start his pills today.

Thanks everyone for you advice, keep your fingers crossed!:)
 
That's contrary to everything I've ever read about it. I've had 3 dogs on it over the years.

I wanted to add - the links you provided were selling their version of the product. You may want to read studies that arent related to the sale of the item.

There is no doubt that it helped my dog with a noticable difference in his movement. But studies compare it to taking a tylenol.

One thing that they all conclude is that it is safe. So try it! :)

However, I have read many actual studies and they do not support the growth or rebuilding of lost cartlige.

This is one that we recently read in class.

Did the GAIT team do any additional research on glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate?

Yes. The original GAIT study included an additional, or ancillary, study to investigate whether these dietary supplements could diminish structural damage from osteoarthritis of the knee. In the ancillary study, interested GAIT patients were offered the opportunity to continue their original study treatment for an additional 18 months, for a total of 2 years. At the end of the ancillary study, the team had gathered data on 581 knees. After assessing the x-ray data, the researchers concluded that glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate, together or alone, appeared to fare no better than placebo in slowing loss of cartilage in osteoarthritis of the knee. Interpreting the study results was complicated, however, because participants taking placebo had a smaller loss of cartilage, or joint space width, than predicted.

http://nccam.nih.gov/research/results/gait/qa.htm

One more study that comprises many studies for comparison.

Sept 16, 2010 -- The popular supplements glucosamine and chondroitin don't do much to relieve the pain associated with hip or knee osteoarthritis (OA), according to a new analysis of 10 studies.

This is not the first time that research has cast doubt on the effectiveness of these two supplements. The heavily anticipated, government-funded Glucosamine/chondroitin Arthritis Intervention Trial (GAIT) also showed that overall they did not improve knee OA pain. A follow-up arm of this study showed that they did not do any better than placebo in slowing loss of cartilage that occurs in osteoarthritis of the knee. OA is the wear-and-tear form of arthritis, and affects more than 20 million people.

A smaller subset of GAIT participants with moderate-to-severe OA pain, however, did get some relief with the combined supplements. Because this group was small, researchers said the findings were preliminary and needed to be confirmed in further studies.

The new analysis of 10 studies, comprising 3,803 people, reinforces the negative findings of the GAIT trial. Glucosamine, chondroitin, or their combination are no better than placebo (dummy pill) when it comes to joint pain and joint space narrowing, the new study shows.

http://www.webmd.com/osteoarthritis...glucosamine-chondroitin-no-help-for-arthritis
 
Jessica, we really don't need to volley back and forth over whether it slows disease progression or it builds cartilage. It may or may not do either or both.

The fact is, as it stands right now, studies are inconclusive. (Though many obviously still believe in its benefit one way or another.)

From Tufts University Medical Center:

Glucosamine is widely accepted as a treatment for osteoarthritis. However, the current evidence from double-blind studies is highly inconsistent, with many of the most recent and best-designed studies failing to find significant benefit.9-15,23,24,32,41-45,54,70,72According to the positive studies, glucosamine acts more slowly than conventional treatments, such as ibuprofen, but eventually produces approximately equivalent benefits. In addition, unlike conventional treatments, glucosamine might also help prevent progressive joint damage, thereby slowing the course of the disease.15,42,50 However, both these potential benefits remain controversial in light of the most recent trials.

Glucosamine has also shown some promise for osteochondritis of the knee, a cartilage disease related to osteoarthritis.46

It appears that most of the positive studies were funded by manufacturers of glucosamine products, and most of the studies performed by neutral researchers failed to find benefit.67
And good luck to anyone who wants to try to interpret the rest of it:

What Is the Scientific Evidence for Glucosamine?

Relieving Osteoarthritis Symptoms
Inconsistent evidence suggests that glucosamine supplements might relieve pain and other symptoms of osteoarthritis. Two types of studies have been performed, those that compared glucosamine against placebo and those that compared it against standard medications.

In the placebo-controlledcategory, one of the best trials was a 3-year, double-blind study of 212 people with osteoarthritis of the knee.15 Participants receiving glucosamine showed reduced symptoms as compared to those receiving placebo.

Benefits were also seen in other double-blind, placebo-controlled studies, enrolling a total of more than 1,000 people and ranging in length from 4 weeks to 3 years.16,32, 42,44-45,61

Other double-blind studies, enrolling a total of more than 400 people, compared glucosamine against ibuprofen. These studies found glucosamine equally effective as the drug.19-21Furthermore, one of the placebo-controlled trials noted above (unfortunately, only reported in abstract form) also included people given the drug piroxicam, and again found equivalent benefits.17,18

However, most recent studies have been less promising. In four studies involving a total of about 500 people, use of glucosamine failed to provide any meaningful improvement in symptoms.23,24,41,55And the list goes on. In a study involving 222 participants with hip osteoarthritis, 2 years of treatment with glucosamine was no better than placebo for pain, function, or x-ray findings.70Another trial involving 147 women with osteoarthritis found glucosamine to be no more effective than home exercises over an 18-month period.71

In a double-blind trial, researchers evaluated the effects of stopping glucosamine after taking it for 6 months. Involving 137 people with osteoarthritis of the knee, the study found that participants who stopped using glucosamine (and, unbeknownst to them, took placebo instead) did no worse than people who stayed on glucosamine.56

In another, very large (1,583-participant) study, neither glucosamine (as glucosamine hydrochloride) nor glucosamine plus chondroitin was more effective than placebo.57Another trial failed to find benefit with glucosamine plus chondroitin.65And finally, in a systematic review including 10 randomized trials involving 3,803 patients with osteoarthritis of hip or knee, researchers found that glucosamine alone or with chondroitin did not improve pain.72It appears that most of the positive studies were funded by manufacturers of glucosamine products, and most of the studies performed by neutral researchers failed to find benefit.67

Many popular glucosamine products combine this supplement with methylsulfonylmethane(MSM). One study published in India reported that both MSM and glucosamine improve arthritis symptoms as compared to placebo, but that the combination of MSM and glucosamine was even more effective than either supplement separately.64 However, India has not yet achieved a reputation for conducting reliable medical trials.

Slowing the Course of Osteoarthritis

Conventional treatments for osteoarthritis reduce the symptoms, but don't slow the actual progress of the disease. In fact, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, such as indomethacin, might actually speed the progression of osteoarthritis by interfering with cartilage repair and promoting cartilage destruction (though the evidence for this is weak).1-5 In contrast, two studies reported that glucosamine can slow the progression of osteoarthritis.

A 3-year, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of 212 people found indications that glucosamine may protect joints from further damage.25Over the course of the study, individuals given glucosamine showed some actual improvement in pain and mobility, while those given placebo worsened steadily. Perhaps even more importantly, x-rays showed that glucosamine treatment prevented progressive damage to the knee joint. Another large, 3-year study enrolling 202 people found similar results.42Furthermore, a follow-up analysis, done 5 years after the conclusion of these two studies, found suggestive evidence that use of glucosamine reduced the need for knee replacement surgery.68

Note: As with the positive studies of glucosamine for reducing symptoms, all of these studies were funded by a major glucosamine manufacturer.

Relieving Knee Pain Due to Osteochondritis
A 12-week, double-blind, placebo-controlled study examined the effectiveness of glucosamine at 2,000 mg daily in 50 people with continuing knee pain, mostly caused by osteochondritis (damage to the articular cartilage of the knee) rather than osteoarthritis.46 The results were somewhat equivocal, but appeared to indicate that glucosamine could improve symptoms. Some participants may have also had osteoarthritis, so the results of this study are a bit difficult to interpret.

http://www.tuftsmedicalcenter.org/apps/Healthgate/Article.aspx?chunkiid=21745
Obviously the OP's veterinarian finds some benefit to it since he or she recommended it. I would still say, in having lots of experience with the pain of arthritis in both humans and dogs, that an analgesic is still required for adequate pain relief.

I wanted to add - the links you provided were selling their version of the product.
Actually, they aren't. The first two are informational web sites sanctioned/edited by veterinarians and veterinary pharmacists. No sales involved to my knowledge. The third site I referenced was a holistic veterinary informational site (and we are talking about a dietary supplement, not technically a medication); and the fourth an orthopedic site written by an orthopedic surgeon.
 
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Obviously the OP's veterinarian finds some benefit to it since he or she recommended it. I would still say, in having lots of experience with the pain of arthritis in both humans and dogs, that an analgesic is still required for adequate pain relief.

Hi! It was not thought a pain med was necessary yet, the vet said let's try what we are trying for while and see what happens. It was just for a few days that he was not getting on the bed anymore and seemed to be slower - to me. My boyfriend said he didn't notice a change.:confused3

Like I posted earlier, he is back to normal today, and we didn't even start the pills until today, so he's feeling better somehow. He is still hesitant about the bed though, if he doesn't think about it, he's on there like a shot. But if he contemplates it, he won't do it. I think he's scared of it now...

The vet thinks he may have hurt himself somehow - that's why it seemed so sudden to me. He did an exam, and Max didn't wince or show pain at all during it. He did say due to his age he will slow down naturally and that may be what I'm noticing, but he may also be starting to have arthritis.

It seems like you think I'm not doing enough (at least that's the vibe I keep getting from your posts)I don't know, I'm just doing what the vet said. I trust them, they've been my vet for both of my dogs and my cat and have always been wonderful.

We will now watch him, and if things backslide or get worse, back to the vet we will go!
 
Like I posted earlier, he is back to normal today, and we didn't even start the pills until today, so he's feeling better somehow. He is still hesitant about the bed though, if he doesn't think about it, he's on there like a shot. But if he contemplates it, he won't do it. I think he's scared of it now...
My guess would be the rainy weather and the moon cycles. People had a tough time last week, too.

It seems like you think I'm not doing enough (at least that's the vibe I keep getting from your posts)
:confused3 No vibe - if I don't think you're doing enough, I'll tell you! You did ask for advice and I believe said you had little experience with this. I have a lot of experience with this in both people and animals. And others have agreed who also have experience with it.

Good luck with your dog.
 
My guess would be the rainy weather and the moon cycles. People had a tough time last week, too.


:confused3 No vibe - if I don't think you're doing enough, I'll tell you! You did ask for advice and I believe said you had little experience with this. I have a lot of experience with this in both people and animals. And others have agreed who also have experience with it.

Good luck with your dog.

Maybe we aren't reading each others posts all the way through...the vet thinks it was more an injury than arthritis, but that because of his age he may be starting to get arthritis -and that and his age (12) is why he wants to start him on the pills.

Sorry, your posts just seem to come off a little accusatory, I'm probably just reading into them though.:flower3: It's my own fault, I should know better than to read/ask the internet when it comes to any illness!! :) I start to second guess myself and even my vet and always end up feeling worse!

Thanks for your well wishes everyone! (and Max thanks you too)
 












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