Californis Grill dress code

[SouthJersey]

Obviously restaraunt management disagrees.

Money talks...
They have a suggested code for a reason, which basically says, "This is what you should be wearing and what we'd appreciate, but we obviously don't want to lose the money."
I'm all for being comfortable, but when a suggested code exists and I don't follow it, I acknowledge I'm going against the wishes of management and being self-entitled about my meal. I break dress codes, but I don't pretend like they're ridiculous lol

 

[jrmasm]

Money talks...
They have a suggested code for a reason, which basically says, "This is what you should be wearing and what we'd appreciate, but we obviously don't want to lose the money."
I'm all for being comfortable, but when a suggested code exists and I don't follow it, I acknowledge I'm going against the wishes of management and being self-entitled about my meal. I break dress codes, but I don't pretend like they're ridiculous lol

I see a big difference between a suggested dress code and a required dress code.

 

[SouthJersey]

I see a big difference between a suggested dress code and a required dress code.

Besides enforcement, how is it any different? It's the desires of management for the atmosphere of the establishment. One is enforced, one is not enforced which is about guest counts and revenue.
Look at Disney. It's relatively easy to get ADR's at the signatures, even close to the trips. Yeah they book out by the date, but they're not these coveted, hard to get locations. With the amount of non-dress code attire, if you removed all those guests, the restaurants wouldn't be securing maximum capacity nightly.

If they could guarantee sales and attendance to remain the same, they'd be required.

 

[jrmasm]

Besides enforcement, how is it any different? It's the desires of management for the atmosphere of the establishment. One is enforced, one is not enforced which is about guest counts and revenue.
Look at Disney. It's relatively easy to get ADR's at the signatures, even close to the trips. Yeah they book out by the date, but they're not these coveted, hard to get locations. With the amount of non-dress code attire, if you removed all those guests, the restaurants wouldn't be securing maximum capacity nightly.

If they could guarantee sales and attendance to remain the same, they'd be required.

And if the dress code was required, I'd have no problem following it. Heck I'm pretty sure what we wore at California Grille followed the suggested dress code.

The fact is WDW is a theme park and management is smart enough not to ignore that fact. Like it or not, no one is going to be refused a seat if they show up in a t shirt. If that bothers you, it's your (generic) problem.

 

[SouthJersey]

And if the dress code was required, I'd have no problem following it. Heck I'm pretty sure what we wore at California Grille followed the suggested dress code.

The fact is WDW is a theme park and management is smart enough not to ignore that fact. Like it or not, no one is going to be refused a seat if they show up in a t shirt. If that bothers you, it's your (generic) problem.

Doesn't bother me at all. As long as people have good hygiene, I could care less how they're dressed as long as they're not unsightly.
If I want a fine dining night, I'd go to Shula's or in the case of our trip next month, we have a Queen Victoria's room ADR at V&A's.

 

[Wendydagny]

If anyone cares, Disney's website actually does NOT (or no longer) contains the phrase business casual in the dress code description.

This is c&p from the website:


At this signature dining experience, Guests are asked to adhere to the dress code.



Men may wear khakis, slacks, jeans or dress shorts and collared shirts. Sport coats are optional.

Women may wear Capri pants, skirts, dresses, jeans or dress shorts.

Not permitted are tank tops, swimsuits, swimsuit cover-ups, hats for gentlemen, cut-offs, torn clothing and t-shirts with offensive language and/or graphics.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

Obviously restaraunt management disagrees.

Like I said, when money is involved, WDW does what it wants.

 

[jrmasm]

Like I said, when money is involved, WDW does what it wants.

The irony of this statement and your involvement in a discussion about following rules is not lost on me.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

The irony of this statement and your involvement in a discussion about following rules is not lost on me.

1) WDW frequently violates its own rules and guidelines.
2) There is a mantra which ALL managers are told to follow.
3) In fact, it is often repeated in CM Team Meetings.
. . . "We will make the guest's WDW vacation their BEST Disney vacation EVER."
4) This makes for some interesting circumstances. *
5) If allowing baseball cap at CG makes the guest feel good, so be it.
6) It is also the reason for such overly-generous "comp's" when guests complain.

* An example: A child was skating, using those tennis shoe "wheelies" in the large lobby of Wilderness Lodge and almost ran into several older people. I politely told the kid he can't do that. The parents complained to a manager. I was "counseled" that we should not forbid the guests from enjoying their vacation . . . I was then asked if I knew the motto. The kid was allowed to skate in the lobby.

 

[jrmasm]

1) WDW frequently violates its own rules and guidelines.
2) There is a mantra which ALL managers are told to follow.
3) In fact, it is often repeated in CM Team Meetings.
. . . "We will make the guest's WDW vacation their BEST Disney vacation EVER."
4) This makes for some interesting circumstances. *
5) If allowing baseball cap at CG makes the guest feel good, so be it.
6) It is also the reason for such overly-generous "comp's" when guests complain.

* An example: A child was skating, using those tennis shoe "wheelies" in the large lobby of Wilderness Lodge and almost ran into several older people. I politely told the kid he can't do that. The parents complained to a manager. I was "counseled" that we should not forbid the guests from enjoying their vacation . . . I was then asked if I knew the motto. The kid was allowed to skate in the lobby.

That's not what I was talking about. But I can't imagine that you didn't know.

 

[KateP85]

Disney dress code is not what it used to be. These days you can pretty much wear anything to the signature restaurants and no one will say anything. We recently ate at Artist Point next to a couple wearing their pajamas.

Having said that, just because you CAN show up to a place looking less than appropriate, doesn't mean you SHOULD. I would never come straight from a theme park to a nice restaurant; I would want to shower and freshen up before sitting down to a nice meal. Etiquette is not required in many places, but that doesn't mean you should throw it out the window.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

just because you CAN show up to a place looking less than appropriate, doesn't mean you SHOULD

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EXCELLENT sentiment, and well put.

 

[GaryDis]

Disney dress code is not what it used to be. These days you can pretty much wear anything to the signature restaurants and no one will say anything. We recently ate at Artist Point next to a couple wearing their pajamas.

You mean like these hostess pants that Lucy bought Ethel?

Dress codes evolve. In Lucy and Ethel's day, a gentleman wouldn't go out to a nice restaurant without putting on a suit and tie. A sports jacket would have been casual. And, of course, they wouldn't leave the house without a hat, which would have been checked at the coat room of the restaurant. Earlier, in the days of the Dowager Countess of Grantham, gentleman wore white tie and tails to dinner; tuxedos were scandalous.

I'm not fond of the pajama look, and fortunately it seems to be dying down, except perhaps near colleges. But it is what is is. I have yet to notice any connection between the quality of food and the attire of the patrons. The best restaurants get their quality and character from their staff; they don't need to mooch it from their clients.