Caitlyn Jenner

[TaylorEar]

No, of course they didn't digitally reconstruct her face. She had a PLASTIC SURGEON who did all the work!!

...along with virtually ALL of the other photoshopped celebrities that appear on magazine covers.

 

[sunshinehighway]

...along with virtually ALL of the other photoshopped celebrities that appear on magazine covers.

Absolutely true. It's also true that most other celebrities over a certain age would be skewered for a heavily photoshopped cover like that.
Madonna comes to mind as someone who's received a lot of criticism for photo shopped covers.

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

I'm going to declare myself transage. I've always felt like a 21 year old inside, so I am now 21.

 

[AnAmericanInDisney]

I might be transgypsy too.

 

[JediBonas]

I'm curious about how this applies legally. If he now considers himself a she and is out and about in public, will she be using the women's restroom? What about if she were to be arrested and jailed? Male or female population? I'm asking about before any surgery to alter the current anatomy.

My friend is a trans* man but has not had genital surgery (except breast removal). His license, passport, etc all say male and he uses male facilities.

 

[mnrose]

You can have yourself legally declared the opposite sex from which you were born in most jurisdictions. It sounds "easy," but it is not. You need substantial proof, including psychiatric evaluations, etc.

My friend went through this with her son. The birth certificate now shows an opposite sex from which her son was born. He uses male restrooms, and is a member of the male rugby team (and accepted by his teammates as male). He has had top surgery, but does not plan to have bottom surgery. He takes male hormones, and shaves like any other male of his age.

 

[ashley0139]

Oh really? You don't think this will happen?

No.

 

[Nancy]

I honestly don't see this whole thing as being "brave". I do think people are in general much more accepting of this now. The brave person was Renee Richards...she was the one who really broke ground and went to court to be allowed to play tennis as a female.

 

[Gumbo4x4]

My friend went through this with her son. The birth certificate now shows an opposite *** from which her son was born. He uses male restrooms, and is a member of the male rugby team (and accepted by his teammates as male). He has had top surgery, but does not plan to have bottom surgery. He takes male hormones, and shaves like any other male of his age.

Are steroids permitted in HS athletics?

 

[tinatark]

I am sad for Bruce's children. For his previous wives. I can't imagine how they feel, hearing "my entire life was a lie".

 

[StanH]

Thank God Sepp Blatter retired from FIFA....At least ESPN has something besides a transgender to report on........

 

[TaylorEar]

I am sad for Bruce's children. For his previous wives. I can't imagine how they feel, hearing "my entire life was a lie".

Her first two ex-wives are very supportive and have given public statements expressing this. They both have also said that they were aware of certain things within in their marriage, so it wasn't a huge shock.

 

[minniecarousel]

I hope she finds peace and happiness.

I do have 2 comments:
Why, oh why did she choose a hard "K" name? When I started hearing about Caitlyn Jenner I was wondering if I had forgotten his daughters' names.
And I'm sad for his kids. They've lost a grandfather for their children (& future children.) I'm not saying that it's reason to not do the change, but grandchildren are casualties in all this.

 

[pigletgirl]

Ugh, who cares!

 

[dbrn]

In the article, she said this about pronoun confusion:

Bissinger apologizes to Jenner for repeated pronoun confusion and asks whether she is sensitive about it. “I don’t really get hung up,” she tells him. “A guy came in the other day and I was fully dressed—it’s just habit, I said, ‘Hi, Bruce here,’ and I went, Oh ****, it ain’t Bruce, I was screwing up doing it.”

I have to say, I'm amazed at the number of people who seem to find it so easy to switch pronouns at the drop of a hat, or use a certain pronoun just because a person chooses it. I know someone who changed his name (not his gender). I do my best to call him by that new name, but honestly, I'll always think of him by the name I first knew. If I met a transgender person after their transition, the pronoun use would be easy. If my dad decided to become a woman at 65, I can't imagine being able to look at him and see a woman, or call him a woman - I'd just see my dad, dressed as a woman. Same with the picture of Caitlyn Jenner - to me it's Bruce Jenner, dressed as a woman. I'm not saying that to be insensitive or unsupportive, I just think that it's a huge leap to accept someone you've always known as one gender as another, and the ability to do that just doesn't happen right away for everyone. I don't think that makes me disrespectful or uncaring - just human.

I thought it was interesting that one poster thought that those people who were using the male gender pronoun for someone who preferred a female gender pronoun were looking at the blue sky and calling it purple. I see it the exact opposite. I see people calling the sky green because they would prefer green, not because it's actually green. I really don't understand the notion that gender is not physical, genetic, or sexual. What is it then, and if it's not physical,, then why does physically changing the body make a difference?

I do hope that those who are demanding tolerance can also show tolerance of those of us who are a little slower at switching gears, but are trying to understand and adjust our thinking - I'm not really any less tolerant, just not as quick at adapting. From the quote above, it seems that sometimes even the person doing the transitioning needs a little time to adjust.

I was surprised by the name choice. It just doesn't seem to fit. Not sure what I thought it would be, but something more popular amongst her generation.

 

[ashley0139]

In the article, she said this about pronoun confusion:

Bissinger apologizes to Jenner for repeated pronoun confusion and asks whether she is sensitive about it. “I don’t really get hung up,” she tells him. “A guy came in the other day and I was fully dressed—it’s just habit, I said, ‘Hi, Bruce here,’ and I went, Oh ****, it ain’t Bruce, I was screwing up doing it.”

I have to say, I'm amazed at the number of people who seem to find it so easy to switch pronouns at the drop of a hat, or use a certain pronoun just because a person chooses it. I know someone who changed his name (not his gender). I do my best to call him by that new name, but honestly, I'll always think of him by the name I first knew. If I met a transgender person after their transition, the pronoun use would be easy. If my dad decided to become a woman at 65, I can't imagine being able to look at him and see a woman, or call him a woman - I'd just see my dad, dressed as a woman. Same with the picture of Caitlyn Jenner - to me it's Bruce Jenner, dressed as a woman. I'm not saying that to be insensitive or unsupportive, I just think that it's a huge leap to accept someone you've always known as one gender as another, and the ability to do that just doesn't happen right away for everyone. I don't think that makes me disrespectful or uncaring - just human.

I thought it was interesting that one poster thought that those people who were using the male gender pronoun for someone who preferred a female gender pronoun were looking at the blue sky and calling it purple. I see it the exact opposite. I see people calling the sky green because they would prefer green, not because it's actually green. I really don't understand the notion that gender is not physical, genetic, or sexual. What is it then, and if it's not physical,, then why does physically changing the body make a difference?

I do hope that those who are demanding tolerance can also show tolerance of those of us who are a little slower at switching gears, but are trying to understand and adjust our thinking - I'm not really any less tolerant, just not as quick at adapting. From the quote above, it seems that sometimes even the person doing the transitioning needs a little time to adjust.

I was surprised by the name choice. It just doesn't seem to fit. Not sure what I thought it would be, but something more popular amongst her generation.

A person's sex is physical, gender is not. It's a social construct. The disconnect is in the brain. In a transgender person's head, they are one gender. Their physical sex is the opposite.

There's a difference between people who are clearly trying (like you) and those who are willfully remaining ignorant about it. I'm absolutely tolerant of people making an effort. But it's funny to me that people think we should be tolerant of intolerance. I'm not tolerant of hate, sorry. Just like I'm not tolerant of the KKK, even if they have a right to their views.

 

[pigletgirl]

A person's *** is physical, gender is not. It's a social construct. The disconnect is in the brain. In a transgender person's head, they are one gender. Their physical *** is the opposite.

There's a difference between people who are clearly trying (like you) and those who are willfully remaining ignorant about it. I'm absolutely tolerant of people making an effort. But it's funny to me that people think we should be tolerant of intolerance. I'm not tolerant of hate, sorry. Just like I'm not tolerant of the KKK, even if they have a right to their views.

Tolerance of a once considered DSM diagnosis? We're to celebrate that? I don't think that Caitlyn feels at all at peace. I'm sorry that she has to live like that. I hope she finds help. Being on the front of Vogue magazine certainly won't do that.

 

[ashley0139]

Tolerance of a once considered DSM diagnosis? We're to celebrate that? I don't think that Caitlyn feels at all at peace. I'm sorry that she has to live like that. I hope she finds help. Being on the front of Vogue magazine certainly won't do that.

Absolutely. The rates of suicide and depression of transgender people is insanely high. Anything to make their journey easier, I'm happy to do. It doesn't hurt anyone at all to support them. How would you know if she's found peace at all? You should read accounts from transgendered people. It may help you understand them better.

 

[Sarah627]

If Caitlyn Jenner's story makes it easier for even one single person going through a similar struggle to come out the other side happy, healthy, and true to themself because of all the publicity surrounding Caitlyn's journey, then I think it will all be worth it.

 

[Planogirl]

You can't force tolerance. I see many here wanting to force what they see as tolerance.

If Caitlyn can find happiness then it really doesn't matter what strangers think. I know that it's not that simple but I believe that it's true.