Buying resale when you already talked to DVC?

[zulaya]

DFIL talked to DVC about buying at BCV (he is not a current member.) He didn't talk to me before hand or I would have told him that they won't sell sold out resorts to new members. All they offered, obviously, was SSR. He's stayed at BCV with us and wants BCV and only BCV.

I have read rumors/reports, that once people talk with DVC (as in give them information) that if they go resale, they might ROFR their resale contract because they didn't buy directly from DVC, even though in the case of FIL, he couldn't buy directly anyway.

So is this just run of the mill skuttlebutt? Or is there an established trend where DVC does something like this to force people to buy the currently being sold resort if they want to be in DVC?

It just seems kind of brat-like behaviour if that's what they are doing. On the other hand, would a business entity act like a brat, especially when it's in the business of making families happy on vacation.

Just curious to hear the replies.

 

[TammyAlphabet]

Well, I don't know the answer to your question but you certainly can purchase BCV through DVC as a new member, as well as any other resort. If you make it clear that SSR is not for you, then they will put you on a waitlist for the resort that you want. Be prepared to wait for BCV for a good while as those points are harder to come by it seems. Good luck.

 

[CarolA]

I have never seen any "rumors" or indicators that DVC bases ROFR on previous tours. I would bet that almost everyone who purchases resale has done the tour. I know I did.'

Considering how many of us then buy "add ons" from Disney I doubt they would do this. They are making money! LOL!

 

[Lenc324]

I talked to agents twice at DVC and ended buying resale with no problem.

 

[LisaS]

You can buy sold out resorts from Disney for $92/point. I contacted Disney about buying BWV points and they had lots of points available. I talked with my guide 2 or 3 times but ended up buying a resale contract and I got through ROFR.

I do think there is a recent trend for Disney to exercise ROFR on very small contracts (25 or 50 points) for first-time buyers. It makes good economic sense for them to do that since it costs them more to support lots of members with small amounts of points vs. fewer members who own more points. It doesn't make economic sense for them to buy back resale contracts to try to force people to either buy SSR or not buy at all. I just cannot believe that they would do that.

 

[awatt]

WE talked to Disney first, then bought resale at BWV with no problem.

 

[zulaya]

Maybe FIL needs to push harder. Whoever he talked to, that agent seemed to sound pretty adamant that all he was selling was SSR and that BCV was sold out. When FIL said he was only interested in BCV, the agent on the other end of the line was dead silent.

Maybe I need to have FIL talk to my DVC rep...maybe this referral might do something...you know squeaky wheel getting the grease and what not.

 

[TammyAlphabet]

I have no idea why the guides have so much aminosity against selling points at the "sold out" resorts. With BCV, I assume that they have to wait for their commissions until the points come in and that may be a drawback. However, a sale is a sale. Maybe they are told to push SSR. I don't know. But I bought in last year at BWV through DVC and if it hadn't been for these boards and a few kind Disers, I wouldn't have even know it was possible. So, have him call back and tell the guide that he wants to be put on the waitlist for BCV for 150 points for any use year and if that doesn't do it, ask to speak to a manager. That should do the trick!

 

[LisaS]

I'm guessing it has something to do with availability of BCV points through Disney. Some DIS board members have waited for many months to add on at BCV. It's possible your FIL could wait a very long time (months? a year?) before Disney would have any BCV points available to sell to him.

If it's BCV that he wants, he could ask about being put on a waiting list with Disney, but I think he would be better off buying resale. He should contact a resale broker (such as our board sponsor, The Timeshare Store) and talk with someone there about what he wants: how many points, which use year, etc.

 

[stingmom]

we spoke at great length with a DVC Guide, had the info packet sent to us from him and then spoke in more detail with the guide again, but decided to go for a resale, do the initial buy in cost by purchasing direct through DVC, Within a week or so of that, we found our resale at Timeshare Store and passed ROFR with flying colors. I would not worry at all aout not passing ROFR after consulting with DVC direct first. Good luck!!

 

[JimC]

ROFR is a business decision governed by a number of variables -- it depends on the demand for points in that use year at that resort and the terms of the deal. Disney is not going to buy back a contract just because they buyer is someone who they had given information to.

 

[Sarahsal]

We took a tour (they were selling BCV) and then bought VWL resale. The guide who took us on our tour was then assigned to be our guide. No problem.

 

[Monte Cristo]

On our last day of vacation a few years ago, we went and met a guide, did the tour, signed up to buy when they were selling vero beach, even gave a deposit. Then upon returning home, we talked to a friend who had DVC at BWV and told us about the resale market. This was really where we wanted to be anyway, so we cancelled our transaction through Disney and went with a contract from the timeshare store. No problems on ROFR. I can tell you that I could tell by my phone conversations that our guide was not pleased which I can understand as she lost a sale.

 

[KelNottAt]

I talked to agents twice at DVC and ended buying resale with no problem.

Same here.

 

[JimMIA]

Maybe FIL needs to push harder. Whoever he talked to, that agent seemed to sound pretty adamant that all he was selling was SSR and that BCV was sold out. When FIL said he was only interested in BCV, the agent on the other end of the line was dead silent.

Maybe I need to have FIL talk to my DVC rep...maybe this referral might do something...you know squeaky wheel getting the grease and what not.

First of all, you are NOT going to have ROFR problems because you once talked to a guide. Many, many of us (myself included) took the tour, spent significant time with a guide, and then bought resale with no problem. ROFR is determined mostly by the price you pay.

Having said that, you could probably mess yourself up if you worked at it. If FIL buys a resale and calls the guide to rub his/her nose in it, who knows what might happen?

Why do the guides stress SSR? My guess is SSR is all they get paid commission on. Yeah, yeah...I know, they don't GET commission, but I guarantee you they get some kind of financial incentive for selling SSR, and get little or nothing for selling "sold out" resorts. They don't get commission...they get salary + bonus -- big deal, no difference in the outcome.

IF FIL -- for whatever reason -- wants to buy BCV from Disney direct, I would have him call DVC and ask to speak to a manager. Tell the manager the current guide was unhelpful on his/her best day, and lying on his/her worst, and that FIL has lost confidence in them. Tell them FIL wants a guide who will work for FIL's interest in addition to Disneys, and demand a new guide.

Whether buying resale or direct, FIL will be limited to whatever is available. BCV is a very small resort, so there may or may not be a contract which meets FIL's needs on the resale market. It might be a good idea to call TTS and tell them what you are looking for -- they'll put you on a call list and you'll get a shot at contracts before they are advertised.

Buying direct, Disney is legitimately limited by the points they have available to sell, and also by the use year of the points they have. They may have ten million points, but if FIL wants a particular use year, they may not have that. That's legitimate. "BCV is sold out and there are no points" is simply not true.

 

[Disney Fanatic]

We bought resale and took the tour not once, but twice.

After much thought we really loved OKW and really wanted OKW.

Why would I pay $92,00 per point through Disney when we paid $75 per point with tons of banked pts and that price included closing costs.

 

[jdove]

Why would I pay $92,00 per point through Disney when we paid $75 per point with tons of banked pts and that price included closing costs.

Good question. Speaking as someone who just paid $92 for BWV -- It was worth the extra $2,700 piece of mind to know that for the next 37 years -- no matter what happens with new properties or policy changes -- I wouldn't need to stay at a resort that I had no desire to stay at. I guess that was my reason. I figured this would help ensure that I could get exactly what I was looking for as often as possible. What's $2,700 when that much time is involved?

 

[AFMom]

I believe they just meant they didn't want to buy OKW through Disney if they could get OKW cheaper w/ banked points through resale.
BTW - we also spoke to a guide, recieved the info, and then bought resale - no problems at all - and have never had any problems with our guide/s.... no feelings that we were 2nd class for buying resale either. If there wasn't a good resale market out there - I don't think Disney could seel their own properties as well! They need a good resale market as well.

 

[jdove]

Personally, I bought direct from Disney because I needed to use points to go on a trip in 3 weeks -- I figured it was the fastest / lowest hassle/risk solution.

 

[NMW]

DFIL talked to DVC about buying at BCV (he is not a current member.) He didn't talk to me before hand or I would have told him that they won't sell sold out resorts to new members. All they offered, obviously, was SSR. He's stayed at BCV with us and wants BCV and only BCV.

I have read rumors/reports, that once people talk with DVC (as in give them information) that if they go resale, they might ROFR their resale contract because they didn't buy directly from DVC, even though in the case of FIL, he couldn't buy directly anyway.

So is this just run of the mill skuttlebutt? Or is there an established trend where DVC does something like this to force people to buy the currently being sold resort if they want to be in DVC?

It just seems kind of brat-like behaviour if that's what they are doing. On the other hand, would a business entity act like a brat, especially when it's in the business of making families happy on vacation.

Just curious to hear the replies.

That didn't happen to us not did it ever even occur to me. We almost bought SSR but then went resale for a BWV contract at the Timeshare store. When our guide called I told him what we were doing, and he was less than supportive. He basicly said to expect ROFR to take it back and to save his number. Pat at the Timeshare store was great and everything went through, no problems.